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watchdog

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 00:57    Post subject:  

I have a plm-28.6.1-p4.sfs which use a chroot jail from precise which works to play streams and youtube. If someone is interested I can share it. It's 200 Mb large.
I'm using the very first release of this derivative with my customizations: I have problems with further releases. With the last release I have a Kernel Panic when I boot with a pupsave loading. I think too many changes to the original puppy 4.31.
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 01:14    Post subject: Re: 4.31 glibc 2.19& html 5 video
Subject description: how to get html 5 video working
 

darry19662018 wrote:
tanker60 wrote:
is it possible to get html 5 working. palemoon 27.9.4 and seamonkey 2.46 can run
html 5. it's not working so has to be something missing in the 4.31 system. Smile


I have found some videos in Seamonkey work and some don't. Here is one that does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErSr3Z289JQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoGCh3FuRbQ&t=49s


ok ii will try newer seamonkey 2.46
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 02:54    Post subject:  

I managed to create a working pupsave with my customizations using the current release. It's funny to play with this puppy. Thanks darry.
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 06:09    Post subject:  

watchdog wrote:
I managed to create a working pupsave with my customizations using the current release. It's funny to play with this puppy. Thanks darry.


No worries 4.31 is fun.Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 08:11    Post subject:  

@ watchdog:-

Per your 'chrooted' Palemoon as mentioned above, I'd be very interested to try it out in this 431 're-visited'..! I just prefer Palemoon; I'm not a fan of SeaMonkey, I'm afraid!

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@ Darren:-

Just FYI, a few things I've found work OK in your upgraded 431.

Jake (SFR)'s Lockstate and MagDock both work flawlessly.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=957170 - Lockstate
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=115930 - MagDock

Barry's EasyDD utility which I packaged up does as well, but 'pup-dialog' is required.....and possibly 'pupmessage', too..? Not certain about this second one.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=116481

And the tiny VideoView webcam app (which watchdog put me onto 2-3 yrs ago) also works. Interesting, this one, because my Logitech c920 HD Pro wasn't built till 3 or 4 years after this was released.....but because it's UVC-compliant, that's why it runs without issue, because VideoView supports the UVC kernel driver module. And that's been in the kernel for a long time.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112299

(This one's so small it's attached to the thread itself, so you can d/l it from the forum. Even recording works!)

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And finally, a question of my own. Can somebody please explain to me how you use Xine to watch videos....'cos I've never been able to figure it out!

I can get 'em to start, but nothing ever shows on the screen.....

EDIT:- Correction; it plays DVDs from the optical drive fine. However, I can't figure out how to get it to play back videos from the hard drive?

Help would be appreciated.


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 10:04    Post subject: pup 4.31 glibc 2.19 no html 5 video
Subject description: ? how to fix problem
 

did some testing.if you run palemoon 27.9.4 or seamonkey 2.46 . in any of the new
puppies. html 5 video works ok. but will not run in pup 4.31, racy 5.5, precise 5.6.
so the problem is not the browser. something in the old puppies is not letting html 5
work. what it is i don't have a clue. as my skills are poor at best. Confused
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 11:29    Post subject: Re: pup 4.31 glibc 2.19 no html 5 video
Subject description: ? how to fix problem
 

tanker60 wrote:
did some testing.if you run palemoon 27.9.4 or seamonkey 2.46 . in any of the new
puppies. html 5 video works ok. but will not run in pup 4.31, racy 5.5, precise 5.6.
so the problem is not the browser. something in the old puppies is not letting html 5
work. what it is i don't have a clue. as my skills are poor at best. Confused


You could be right.

I can in fact run both 28.6.1 and 27.9.4 in Racy 5.5, and I do have YouTube running fine in both.....but then, I've modified Racy so much over the last few years I wouldn't even know where to start looking for the 'magic bullet'.

I guess battleshooter's 'glibc-2.20 upgrade' must have something to do with that.....and the ffmpeg packages Fredx181 found a while back have, I think, played a part, too.


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 12:47    Post subject:  

Mm. Well, now.....

Xine definitely needs experimentation to get the best out of it. I'm slowly starting to get the hang of it. It certainly works - I'm now getting stuff playing from the hard drive - but it's quite fussy & 'picky' when it comes to the containers/codecs it's happy to work with. And despite Xine and GXine both using the same 'engine' (libxine) this doesn't always seem to translate directly from one to t'other, as you might expect.

Certain MP4s it'll turn its nose up at, yet others play without a murmur of protest. And I must admit, it seems pretty good with some of the more esoteric formats; FLV, MOV, AVI, OGG, etc. Doesn't like WebM, naturally, but that's common to many of the older Linux media players.....it's a relatively modern format, after all.

Ah, well; back to the 'laboratory'..!! Smile


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 14:35    Post subject:  

Interesting on Tanker's machine Seamonkey won't play html5 but on mine it does.
Palemoon doesn't - Mike do you think this is an ffmpeg issue I updated ffmpeg from Shinobar as well as xine-lib and xine-ui they were all Shinobar updates here:
http://shinobar.server-on.net/puppy/pup4/opt/pets/

namely ffmpeg 20100408

and Xine-lib 1.1.19-full from that page with xine-ui .pet and it plays most of the mp4's I throw at it from mp4's downloaded by clipgrab.

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 14:36    Post subject:  

So since this pup is about experimentation I'll look at the other ffmpeg's here and see what happens.
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 19:08    Post subject:  

@ Darren:-

darry19662018 wrote:
nteresting on Tanker's machine Seamonkey won't play html5 but on mine it does.
Palemoon doesn't - Mike do you think this is an ffmpeg issue I updated ffmpeg from Shinobar as well as xine-lib and xine-ui they were all Shinobar updates here:
http://shinobar.server-on.net/puppy/pup4/opt/pets/

namely ffmpeg 20100408

and Xine-lib 1.1.19-full from that page with xine-ui .pet and it plays most of the mp4's I throw at it from mp4's downloaded by clipgrab.



Mm. I was thinking more along the lines of this one:-

3.2.2-static-i686.pet.

I've got several brace of newer static packages than this one, too, but for 431 you don't want to go ridiculously new, do you? Well, I don't think so.....bearing in mind that most of the other components are still pretty old, yes?

I know from experience that upgrading ffmpeg in many of my older Pups fixed a long-standing issue I'd had with audio reproduction ever since I switched from Ubuntu to Pup nearly 5 years ago. Playback was never the issue; audio recording was trouble-free in Ubuntu, but got really slow and 'treacly' after migrating to Puppy.....and this is the exact same hardware, which is what I couldn't work out. It wasn't until I tried one of Fred's 'Dogs' that the problem seemed to suddenly resolve itself, so I did some digging & un-earthed what was at the root of it all; ffmpeg itself.

Many Pups come with a really ancient, stripped-back version. Great for saving space, but I'll bet it's behind many other Puppians' audio issues, too.....not just mine. 3.2.2 is the one I've used with great success in most of 'em.

I'll be installing this myself, tomorrow, so it's up to you. Feel free to help yourself and do whatever you like with it.

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(Actually, thinking about it, I'm going to put that on hold for a wee while. This is the guy who's put all the 'static' builds of ffmpeg together.....John Van Sickle:-

https://www.johnvansickle.com/ffmpeg/

You might want to put one more build together if you can follow jrb's tutorial for doing a kernel swap in the older Pups:-

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60180

.....since these are compiled for 2.6.32 upwards, and I believe 431 uses 2.6.30. I'm in Slacko 560 tonight, so I can't be arsed to switch over and check, I'm afraid! I'll do it tomorrow.)

I think 2.6.32 must have been some kind of a watershed, 'cos if you ever look in the 'Properties' of most binaries'n'stuff, it almost always seems to mention 'k2.6.32' down the bottom somewhere.


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 20:52    Post subject:  

@ watchdog:-

Thanks a bunch for the chrooted Palemoon.

I installed Shino's SFS-load-2.4 .pet, loaded the SFS, and let it fire up the first time to create its profile. After I finally realised where that profile had been put (look in /cnt, idiot!), I opened it up, deleted the contents, then copied across the contents of the common profile I share between both 32- and 64-bit versions of my portable 28.6.1s.

Re-launched it, and.....everything's tickety-boo. Bookmarks, extensions, etc., all present & correct.....and working YouTube. Yay! Very Happy

Thanks again, mi amigo. Cheers!


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2019, 23:19    Post subject:  

IIRC... the 2.6.32 watershed was for two reasons NETBOOKS (Intel ATOM), and Debian-6-Squeeze.

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Aug 2019, 02:38    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh wrote:
@ Darren:-

darry19662018 wrote:
nteresting on Tanker's machine Seamonkey won't play html5 but on mine it does.
Palemoon doesn't - Mike do you think this is an ffmpeg issue I updated ffmpeg from Shinobar as well as xine-lib and xine-ui they were all Shinobar updates here:
http://shinobar.server-on.net/puppy/pup4/opt/pets/

namely ffmpeg 20100408

and Xine-lib 1.1.19-full from that page with xine-ui .pet and it plays most of the mp4's I throw at it from mp4's downloaded by clipgrab.



Mm. I was thinking more along the lines of this one:-

3.2.2-static-i686.pet.

I've got several brace of newer static packages than this one, too, but for 431 you don't want to go ridiculously new, do you? Well, I don't think so.....bearing in mind that most of the other components are still pretty old, yes?

I know from experience that upgrading ffmpeg in many of my older Pups fixed a long-standing issue I'd had with audio reproduction ever since I switched from Ubuntu to Pup nearly 5 years ago. Playback was never the issue; audio recording was trouble-free in Ubuntu, but got really slow and 'treacly' after migrating to Puppy.....and this is the exact same hardware, which is what I couldn't work out. It wasn't until I tried one of Fred's 'Dogs' that the problem seemed to suddenly resolve itself, so I did some digging & un-earthed what was at the root of it all; ffmpeg itself.

Many Pups come with a really ancient, stripped-back version. Great for saving space, but I'll bet it's behind many other Puppians' audio issues, too.....not just mine. 3.2.2 is the one I've used with great success in most of 'em.

I'll be installing this myself, tomorrow, so it's up to you. Feel free to help yourself and do whatever you like with it.

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(Actually, thinking about it, I'm going to put that on hold for a wee while. This is the guy who's put all the 'static' builds of ffmpeg together.....John Van Sickle:-

https://www.johnvansickle.com/ffmpeg/

You might want to put one more build together if you can follow jrb's tutorial for doing a kernel swap in the older Pups:-

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60180

.....since these are compiled for 2.6.32 upwards, and I believe 431 uses 2.6.30. I'm in Slacko 560 tonight, so I can't be arsed to switch over and check, I'm afraid! I'll do it tomorrow.)

I think 2.6.32 must have been some kind of a watershed, 'cos if you ever look in the 'Properties' of most binaries'n'stuff, it almost always seems to mention 'k2.6.32' down the bottom somewhere.


Mike. Wink


Hi Mike,

Thanks for the ffmpeg .pet but you were right the 2.6.32 limit bit on the------------
so kind of stuck with Shinobar's efforts.

In the meantime I will put up one of Fred's You tube viewer .pets as this is one way some like tanker can view youtube with the built in mpv that it has.

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Aug 2019, 03:58    Post subject:
Subject description: Youtube viewer - A temporary youtube HTML solution
 

https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/yt-viewer.tar.gz

Use xarchiver to unzip to a directory and run GTK-Youtube.CDE and enter your search and then either press play option or right click and chose play in terminal, there is also an option to download video.

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