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Lobster
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Jul 2019, 15:48    Post subject:  

... and I am posting from Rasvuan Alpha on a Raspberry Pi 3+ Very Happy

Midori as the browser seems weird (can not use the back arrow keys and icons in this forum are too large ...)

When I set up I found 300mb was not big enough for the first partition and I resized it to 430MB using gparted (had to be very careful)
This was probably to accommodate the DVX in the FAT32 partition.
The FAT32 I also made bootable.
This really was tricky for me and was surprised it all worked out.

I did the setup of the SD card containing Rasvuan from Raspbian Buster on the Rpi 4. Took it very slowly ...

Wonder why browsers are not working ...

Anyway well done Mick it runs on my Pi setup. I hope you continue ... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Jul 2019, 04:10    Post subject:  

Hi all.

Thanks for the encouragement Very Happy

I have just received a pi 0 (zero) in the mail and will be testing out woodenshoe wi's updates to woof-ce based raspberry puppy. That is relevant to folk who still want to utilise an old pi 1. I'm thinking a CLI distro with a browser, web server (hiawatha) and some basic tools would be the G,O, for these ageing boards, and sfs to add GUI if needed.

I'll be ordering a pi 4 very soon with many thanks to a regular donor (who will remain anonymous) and hopefully I can get raspbian and slacko variants running on it.

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@lobster.

Wow, a real report on rasvuan! Nice. Glad you got it to work. The ultimate idea is to ship the distro with a script to do all the partitioning and stuff so that it is a turn-key solution. That may be a way off ATM. We'll see. Thanks for letting me know that the FAT partition may need to be fatter in the original advice.

Cheers!

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Jul 2019, 07:57    Post subject:  

Good luck with the pi0
I have two originals and may get a pi0 too Cool

Back to Rasvuan ...

Some notes on my Rasvuan alpha setup (hopefully some will be useful - think you are aware of most of them ...)

- The simple internet connection did not work
- Frisbee connection did work. When Puppi Rasvuan boots to desktop, the internet connection takes about an extra 15 seconds
- I am having to move the cursor by clicking with the mouse, arrow keys not working
- tried changing to a MS keyboard (which I am using) no luck with arrow keys BUT arrows on keypad working
- time syncronisation works (rpi has no clock)
- changed the theme to original pup - now I feel at home .... OK not many working icons but iz alpha release ... Very Happy

Checked out the Devuan site. They have puppitude ... http://wikka.puppylinux.com/BowWow.
https://devuan.org/os/free-software

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Jul 2019, 20:11    Post subject:  

testing this on another monitor an LG
Black border around display. This is the best I could get so far ...

Code:
VIDEO REPORT: rasvuan Puppy, version 888
Processor:  ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l)

X.Org X Server 1.19.2
Release Date: 2017-03-02

Chip description:
 unknown

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1366x768
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): fbdev
  Loaded modules: dbe fb fbdevhw glx kbd mouse shadow

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1744x969 pixels (461x256 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jul 2019, 03:08    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
testing this on another monitor an LG
Black border around display. This is the best I could get so far ...


There is mention in the OP about overscan/underscan. It appears your LG exhibits underscan.

Here is a package:

https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE-noarch/blob/master/pet_packages-noarch/fix_pi_overscan-0.2-rpi_all.pet

While the package manager in rasvuan is apt it will still install PET packages by clicking on them, they just aren't registered with apt. Download the above pet package, install it and once that is done run this :

Code:
fixmenus
jwm -reload


What I will probably do about that (which is an age old puppy problem) is put a watch on the /usr/share/applications directory and when a new .desktop file is detected then the above code is run automatically.

Ok, package is now installed.. look in the Desktop menu for Pi Overscan and Underscan and run that program. There are some pretty pics to guide you Smile .. and READ THE FINE PRINT. (the bit about trial and error Wink )

Any download problems with the browser then use wget in the terminal.

Code:
wget https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE-noarch/blob/master/pet_packages-noarch/fix_pi_overscan-0.2-rpi_all.pet

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jul 2019, 05:32    Post subject:  

Code:
# wget https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE-noarch/blob/master/pet_packages-noarch/fix_pi_overscan-0.2-rpi_all.pet
--2019-07-22 10:18:19--  https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE-noarch/blob/master/pet_packages-noarch/fix_pi_overscan-0.2-rpi_all.pet
Resolving github.com (github.com)... 140.82.118.4
Connecting to github.com (github.com)|140.82.118.4|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]
Saving to: ‘fix_pi_overscan-0.2-rpi_all.pet’

fix_pi_overscan-0.2     [ <=>                ]  65.07K  --.-KB/s    in 0.04s   

2019-07-22 10:18:20 (1.53 MB/s) - ‘fix_pi_overscan-0.2-rpi_all.pet’ saved [66630]


#



seems to download but not installing

message box says:
fix_pi_overscan-0.2-rpi_all.pet failed to install

tried downloading from browser, direct, clicking on file, loading package manager etc

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jul 2019, 07:18    Post subject:  

Darn..

try this after deleting the failed download..

Code:
wget https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE-noarch/blob/master/pet_packages-noarch/fix_pi_overscan-0.2-rpi_all.pet?raw=true -O fix_pi_overscan-0.2-rpi_all.pet


after that click the pet, look in the menu, click the program and you'll see the screeny.. (or similar)
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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jul 2019, 08:29    Post subject:  

Quote:
try this after deleting the failed download..

Code:
wget https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE-noarch/blob/master/pet_packages-noarch/fix_pi_overscan-0.2-rpi_all.pet?raw=true -O fix_pi_overscan-0.2-rpi_all.pet


Success! Used the above ... Very Happy

I used the middle image settings but needed to use the third to stretch the image (100 pixels in all directions seemed to do it ...)

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jul 2019, 05:28    Post subject:  

@ 01micko
Is Fatdog for Pi 4 going to be 64 bit, I hope so, I will be in if Pi 4 is 64 bit.
Also curious, does anybody with a Pi 4 already know if the Pi 4 has turbo boost for the CPU, it makes a hell of a difference with pi 3.

Here is Pi explaining away why they are sticking with 32 bit.

Simon Long says:
We cannot avoid focussing on backwards compatibility; it may not matter to you, but it is massively important to us. There are 27 million Pis in the wild; I don’t have exact numbers to hand for how many of those are Pis 1, 2 and Zero, but it’s well over 10 million of them. As soon as we move to a 64-bit OS, those devices are orphaned, because we do not have the resource to maintain two separate forks of Raspbian. (Not to mention to handle the support requests we will get from the thousands of users who download the wrong version and find it doesn’t boot.)

No-one has yet managed to provide us with a convincing use-case for where a 64-bit OS actually provides a real, quantifiable benefit to end-users. 32-bit accesses the entire RAM of the 4GB Pi 4. 64-bit code is invariably larger than 32-bit code – compare the sizes of the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows 7; the 64-bit version is 30-40% larger. That’s a lot of extra download bandwidth for us, and for our users. A lot of 64-bit code actually runs slower than the 32-bit equivalent – because it’s larger, it takes longer to pull in from backing store. There are numerous costs attached to 64-bit – and we have yet to find a proven use-case where it actually offers any benefit whatsoever to the vast majority of our user base.

So no, this is not the ideal platform for the transition, or the time to make it. When (and if) we have a board that has more than 4GB of RAM – and that is likely to be a good few years off from today’s launch – we will look at 64-bit. But until then, the advantages of 32-bit – backwards compatibility, size, speed; of which backwards compatibility is easily the largest – vastly outweigh the putative advantages of a move to 64-bit at this point in time.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2019, 04:28    Post subject:  

spotted wrote:

Is Fatdog for Pi 4 going to be 64 bit, I hope so, I will be in if Pi 4 is 64 bit.

... best ask the Fatdog developers and team ... They are all house trained and friendly ... Very Happy
Fatdog has always focussed on 64bit development ... Idea
http://wikka.puppylinux.com/Fatdog

Quote:
Also curious, does anybody with a Pi 4 already know if the Pi 4 has turbo boost for the CPU, it makes a hell of a difference with pi 3.

It can be done BUT as the CPU is already running hot it is not recommended without cooling ... Embarassed
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1488518
https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/07/26/how-to-overclock-raspberry-pi-4/

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jul 2019, 02:21    Post subject:  

Easy fixed Lobster, at least I posted in the right thread.
@ 01micko
Is Rasvuan for Pi 4 going to be 64 bit,
Easy to fix the overheating problem, Copper
But not been able to see on ebay or amazon a copper sink 35-40 cm square, plenty of 'ram coolers' but nothing a bit bigger last time I looked on ebay, amazon.
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jul 2019, 04:32    Post subject:  

@spotted

At this stage only 32 bit is supported, and I can't get this version to boot on my newly acquired pi 4 anyway ( Razz ). Maybe devuan based on beowulf is needed but I have to wait until upstream has some success. Perhaps a base on debian may be appropriate but then the there are lots of work-arounds for systemd Mad

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jul 2019, 11:49    Post subject:  

@spotted,

Not a Pi owner myself but I saw your comment about overheating and wondered
whether anyone had ever used the Peltier effect for cooling chips.

The following link may be of interest:

https://thepihut.com/products/adafruit-peltier-thermo-electric-cooler-module-heatsink-assembly-12v-5a?ref=isp_rel_prd&isp_ref_pos=1

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PostPosted: Wed 31 Jul 2019, 04:42    Post subject:  

Quote:
Simply connect to 12V 5A+ power supply and you will see frost appear on the aluminum plate within a minute. This assembly comes with the best Peltier we could get, so it can get even colder than the stand-alone module we stock, but we think the price is worth it. Just sitting on our desk it got down to -3.6°C, nice and frosty!


Aye Caramba ... A CPU cooler and beer cooler maker project ... must be ideal for an Oz Operating system Very Happy

Might it be easier to put the raspberry pi in the icecube section of one of those mini fridges (we used to have one) with cables going out through the door rubber sealer ...

meanwhile ...
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raspberry-pi-4-b-overclocking,6188.html

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PostPosted: Wed 31 Jul 2019, 10:50    Post subject:  

01micko
I had a look at Devuan Ceres and before I deleted it all I tried the script on Ubuntu on my parked Odroid N2. Of course it didnt work, half a page of error messages, but I had to try it.
When you say
Maybe devuan based on beowulf is needed but I have to wait until upstream has some success.
do you mean you are waiting for Devuan to do an 'arm64' script for Ubuntu

ETP
Interesting concept, little bit x'ie for a $45 Pi.
A copper sink and fan twice as big as the CPU chip will be good enough for me when the time comes. There is a guy in the cnx thread above that has 2 ghz with a alloy sink and it looks to be only as big as the chip itself. Finding a copper sink is the bottleneck here.
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