grafpup replacement?

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scsijon · #1 Post by **scsijon** » Wed 03 Jul 2019, 06:03

Anyone have an idea what replaced grafpup? I have a 'senior' grafpup user I need to move somewhat more up to date puppy.

thanks

cthisbear · #2 Post by **cthisbear** » Sun 07 Jul 2019, 02:03

Nathan Fisher... Grafpup

https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=04272

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Maybe ttuuxxx...

One of his Classic Pups perhaps.

Chris.

bigpup · #3 Post by **bigpup** » Sun 07 Jul 2019, 07:41

That was a good version of a Puppy Linux, but that is so far back in Puppy history.
A very big part of Puppy Linux has changed in very many good ways since 2007.

What computer are they using?
Specs or make and model?

Unless this is such a very, very old computer.
I am sure a much newer Puppy would be good to try.

What actual programs do they need to have?

mikeslr · #4 Post by **mikeslr** » Sun 07 Jul 2019, 14:06

I wasn't familiar with grafpup. Without downloading and setting it up I am unable to identify all its unique features. From the screenshot, one application stood out as being not generally available in recent Puppies: cinepaint.

Edit: See next post.

The only other peculiarity about grafpup I noted was that, apparently, either Lxde or xfce could be installed as window-manager. Except for peebee's use of Lxde in Slacko-pups, those are not generally available after Tahrpup in Ubuntu/Debian Pups. That may be a result of radky's great work with FbBox and on JWM, itself, both of which now provide modern and elegant substitutes.

But, as bigpup posted, we really would need to know more about what computers were involved and what software was needed.

Edit: See next post.

mikeslr · #5 Post by **mikeslr** » Sun 07 Jul 2019, 17:18

see this post, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 07#1031707. Short version: pupgeeks rox-app appears to function under dpup-stretch, precise-lite, Slacko5.7.2CE and xenialpup32. So, scsijon's friends probably have several modern Puppies from which their needs can be met.

puppyluvr · #6 Post by **puppyluvr** » Tue 09 Jul 2019, 00:27

Hello,
Well, my Photo Artist Workshop is still available on softpedia:
https://linux.softpedia.com/get/Artisti ... 8625.shtml
It's a little dated based on Puppy 4.1.2, but it's not as old as grafpup.
And it has a plethora of usable Graphics software...
And since it's 8 years old it will run on anything with a half a gig or more of memory...

ally · #7 Post by **ally** » Tue 09 Jul 2019, 09:22

mirrored here also: http://archive.org/details/RussoodlessP ... -puppyluvr

scsijon · #8 Post by **scsijon** » Tue 09 Jul 2019, 11:38

Thank you all,

He's in a 32bit system world that i've updated the hardware internals so many times as to be crazy, so latest and greatest isn't going to work. Being a very senior senior I don't want him to be stressed at learning more new stuff than he has too.

I'll try PAW first since puppyluvr is still around (?has it cinepaint available as he has been into theatre background scenery painting (a dying trade) for most of his life and has used that package for many years now) and maybe add what little he needs to that, it's why grafpup was chosen in the first place.

He uses Firefox for internet and I crossed him from Eudora to Thunderbird some years ago so hopefully they are available, and they (of course) are why he has to update as some of the site he works with won't allow access with the 'older' versions he is using anymore and just error him out.

mikeslr · #9 Post by **mikeslr** » Tue 09 Jul 2019, 13:48

There's a discussion of cinepaint under PAWS beginning here, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 216#300216. I didn't continue reading that thread so I don't know if all the problems were resolved or even if the cinepaint package which was installed is still available.

Frankly, I really think that if you have to update to a newer Puppy, updating to the newest Puppy that your computer can handle is the best course: easier to find applications you may want, especially web-browsers. As it is --with websites that offer graphics and video offering graphic rich graphics and video and not allowing browsers unable to handle such content even to have access-- perhaps the only web-browser which older Puppies can use is watchdog's special package of palemoon. It includes the required gtk and glibc libraries. See, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 200#948200 and http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 839#942839. Note that the versions with the "sse" designation will be required if the computer lacks hardware for encryption developed later.

For what its worth, I particularly like radky's dpup-stretch, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 590#974590 reputed to run well on older computers. And recently a great deal of work has been done to update Slacko 5.7, based on Slackware 14.0. There's a 'wealth' of applications which can run under it, including the latest palemoon and firefox quantum if all dependencies are met. So I'll plug the Slacko 5.7.2CE I constructed to include all libraries needed by current applications but still run on old computers with limited RAM. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 93#1018293. The attached Screenshot shows Cinepaint apparently working under it. This is the same version of Cinepaint I provided a link to in my previous post.

puppyluvr · #10 Post by **puppyluvr** » Tue 09 Jul 2019, 15:10

Hello,
Never included cinepaint in PAW.
If I remember right it conflicted with all the python stuff I had to install..
It has several other paint apps..
And there are a multitude of apps available for Puppy 4.12.
Its limitation is the 2.6 kernel.
If you want to use the latest Hardware, you need something based on a newer kernel.
I've been using Tahrpup, with a 4.9 kernel, on an old Celeron, with one gig of RAM, and it works fine...
I recently lost everything else in a house fire, but when I get a new, more modern computer , I intend to build a new Paw...
The other OS on the old Celeron is upupdd with E16...
If I do rebuild paw, I believe I'll use e16 as the window manager, and base it on
Tahrpup...
I was actually almost finished doing so before the fire... of all the things I lost, I think my backup hard drive hurt the most! Lol...
Anyhow, I believe you'll find Paw to be quite usable still, especially on older Hardware... I still use it on the old Celeron... oh, and because of all the python I had to add it has a full Python IDE. And all those the Gimp is only version 2 6 4, it has all the plugins and python support to do everything...

Mike Walsh · #11 Post by **Mike Walsh** » Tue 09 Jul 2019, 21:32

@ scsijon:-

scsijon wrote:...<snip>He uses Firefox for internet and I crossed him from Eudora to Thunderbird some years ago so hopefully they are available, and they (of course) are why he has to update as some of the site he works with won't allow access with the 'older' versions he is using anymore and just error him out.</snip>...

I whole-heartedly concur with Mikeslr about Palemoon. A better browser for Puppies running on elderly, 'limited' hardware I've yet to find.

Mike's given you links to watchdog's original packages. You may also be interested in a 'portable' version I put together, of watchdog's Palemoon 27.9.4_sse (the final SSE-only build, together with a built-in version of Tahr's glibc-2.19), which permits running on older Puppies that have too old a version of the glibc. This, along with several other packages I've assembled, follows the same format as Fredx181's 'portable FF-Quantum; totally self-contained within a single directory, making use of a 'launch script' that on first run creates a profile folder within that directory (and puts the profile in there), and on second & subsequent runs will always start the browser using that 'internal' profile, so long as you use the 'launch script' to fire it up.

Goes without saying that the best place for this is somewhere outside the save-file/folder, thus avoiding the use of 'Puppy-space'.

You can find it here:-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mDsyL3 ... sp=sharing
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I've also put together a 'portable' build of Thunderbird 45.8.0, again utilising the glibc 'tweak'. If interested, you can find this here:-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i9KIJX ... sp=sharing

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Just as a test, these both ran without issue in, for instance, Lucid.....which has a very elderly 2.10 or 2.11 glibc, and which under normal circumstances wouldn't entertain either of these items. They will also run, quite happily, from a USB flash-drive, plugged in & mounted as & when you want to run them. Again, this was tested to 'prove' the theory!

Just trying to provide some viable alternatives.

Mike.

mikeslr · #12 Post by **mikeslr** » Wed 10 Jul 2019, 00:01

Sorry 'tother Mike,

Was having a 'Senior Moment' -- completely forgot about your portables even though they are the ones I use and have recommended.

darry19662018 · #13 Post by **darry19662018** » Sun 21 Jul 2019, 10:15

I had some spare time and created this today, having studied what Nathan had in his grafpup I made this fun thing - it has a lot and I mean alot of apps and is very big but is in the spirit of grafpup.

https://archive.org/details/graficalpup2019

apps: gimp with ufraw, grafburn, blender, cinepaint, Rawstudio, Mypaint, inkscape, flaxpdf, fotoxx, Gtkam, Peasyscale, xfinace, Scribus, textmaker, Abiword, Gtimer, Gtkpod, Gtkpod, Audacious, Clipgrab, GMPlayer, Audacity, Hydrogen, Pawudioconvertor, Soxgui, ripperX, PupDVDtool, gprip (from grafpup), Pupslider, Thunderbird, JRB's Browser Installer script, Lmms, Avidemux, Xnview Multiplatform, Seamonkey for inbuilt Browser - built on top of Radky's Buster with series 3 kernel so it can run on older hardware.

Very fun to do.

darry19662018 · #14 Post by **darry19662018** » Mon 22 Jul 2019, 09:08

It also has icewm as well as alternative window manager.

scsijon · #15 Post by **scsijon** » Tue 23 Jul 2019, 03:41

@darry19662018

Thanks for this, i've downloaded it and will 'disc' it today to try out. I suspect it will be all be too much for him though and I shall have to remove packages and remaster it, however it should be good for the general community, it's always nice to see ulder versions reappear in a new form.

darry19662018 · #16 Post by **darry19662018** » Tue 23 Jul 2019, 07:29

Yes it is pretty big to say the least and much, much bigger than I normally make but I wanted to try and include everything grafpup had and more.

I wanted to create a Swiss army knife for Artists. As well as including some very old apps like Nathan's Grip and grafburn which haven't been in a pup for years but are still great software.

finally thank you Nathan where ever you are.

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