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RC7 (STABLE) WeeDogLinux Arch 64 now released
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step

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jun 2020, 03:14    Post subject:  

@trockeredge, will your work on JWM/ROX be usable also to mix Openbox/ROX? That would be my first choice because it's the standard Fatdog setup.

For the record, I built and started rc3 successfully. However, the network connection didn't work. My system has ethernet only, no wifi. On first boot a small terminal popped up asking for the name of the ethernet interface. Afterwards, ifconfig showed that an APIPA IP address was associated with my ethernet, therefore no connection was possible. I didn't further investigate this issue due to lack of time.

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jun 2020, 04:36    Post subject:  

Ok, I relented and removed /var/cache/pacman/pkg after build, which cuts the squashfs down to 1.5GiB, so it's nice to have a smaller sfs. But, if you take a look with Graphical Disk Map you'll see that the other main size reasons are due to things like lots of firmware/modules available from Arch to make it work on tons of hardware - that could be trimmed to at least a half if one could be bothered. But the install also includes full libreoffice including full Java, and there is libgo and webkit and some other big stuff that proves useful in practice so I don't mind it taking up a big disk space. My goodness, the whole thing could install to a 4GB usb flash stick so why bother - and disk size has nothing to do with RAM used or CPU used (just check how good WeeDogLinux Arch is using top or htop...).

So, if you really want to use time making it smaller, easiest/best would probably be to take out some of the big packages and not have that extra functionality - and use cut down ones from a specially trimmed sfs file if you like, maybe without some functionality, like Java and such like. But all that trimming will only effect disk storage size by a GB or so and have no effect on performance whatsoever. Main performance hog for all Linux is same for everyone - browsers/heavy-webpages eat RAM - making OS download files smaller has no effect on any of that. Copying specially trimmed small version Linux distros into RAM just makes that matter worse (since you end up with even less usable RAM!) and startup times from modern disks is close to as fast as RAM nowadays anyway and once in cache, well that IS RAM so as fast as can be (but actively being used RAM...). copy2ram is a waste of RAM unless you do so as a security measure of some sort or another (though it is more than doubtful that security is increased by much for all the effort - if at all really... And how many are actually using copy2ram switch in practice - not many I bet)

Yes Openbox/Rox-pinbrd could be used/added quite easily; JWM more difficult for me personally because I don't have much knowledge of configuring JWM (so rockedge the expert on that and he'd probably be best configuring Rox pinboard use too I'd imagine), but Roxpinbrd no problem to use genarally as I'm sure you would know, step. I just chose pcmanfm-desktop because I had pcmanfm already on the system and Arch Wiki gave good instructions for openbox/tint2/pcmanfm-desktop and I liked it.

Your ethernet sounds strange, step. I just have a little router provided by some ISP or other - nothing special. Just does WPA2 wifi and has some ethernet ports on the back of it. I never use ethernet - just Wifi, but I did try plugging ethernet cable in and entered the ethernet interface name when the wee terminal box popped up at boot time (my eth interface was enp0s25 (but can arrange for that to show as eth0... ask rockedge about the grub kernel line to force eth0 type naming convention), then I just hit Enter key for the questions about SSID and password (per the instructions in the terminal questions). i.e. no entry for these two. And bang, I was connected via my standard ethernet... Never heard of APIPA IP address (you sure your not running MS windows?). My ethernet connected as 192.168.1.9 (which is pretty standard expectation for me...)..

And my wifi connected now as 192.168.1.5:

Code:
[root@bootstrap ~]# ip address

1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: enp0s25: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN qlen 1000
    link/ether 00:23:5a:c3:83:83 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
3: wls1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP qlen 1000
    link/ether 00:1e:65:e4:2d:c8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168.1.5/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global wls1
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::21e:65ff:fee4:2dc8/64 scope link
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever


Meanwhile, my two kids and partner are all sitting at their own computers of different types all running WeeDogLinux Arch64 - two of these are on ethernet.

But, if you weren't so busy to not be bothered you should post your results at the WeeDogLinux forum since that would be more useful for me and everyone else working with it, thanks. Doesn't matter at all though. I built this for my family - end of story really. If anyone else has found it useful, well that's nice, and I help where I can and modify things to help with the ideas/needs others express. It's a build system - it exists - I use it and it is fun to receive alternative build plugins, which are also useful to me. But if only my family were using it, that would be fine too, and I would make it a private gitlab site so I don't need to worry if new versions work or not! But at least the failure brought some new feedback.

Anyway, all going again. Please, I repeat, post your feedback (if any) to WeeDogLinux forum in preference. Thnks.

wiak

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jun 2020, 11:52    Post subject:  

step wrote:
JWM/ROX be usable also to mix Openbox/ROX?


Yes it will. I am experimenting right now with a WeeDog64-Arch that I have the root user using JWM and ROX --pinboard and the user weedog using openbox/tint2 as the desktop.

Switch back to root user and the jwm/rox --pinboard is again used.

I have even created the user www-data and logged in as that user and could use a 3rd window manager for this user only, if so desired.

I will eventually have a plug that will create a jwm/rox desktop only and also a second plug that will offer either the jwm/rox or openbox/tint2 which could be switched back and forth according to the user logged in.

So far it seems easiest to modify the .xinitrc file for each user to start the desktop wanted. So most likely I will not write any script systems to switch desktops on the fly....UNLESS I 'borrow' some code from Puppy Linux or Fatdog.....we will see.....
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jun 2020, 12:15    Post subject:  

@wiak, thank you for your answer. I will try again the ethernet network and post to your dedicated forum if I can't get it to work. Regarding the APIPA address, I might have hastily misread the digits because the GUI fonts were very small. Anyway, ethernet wasn't connected.

@rockeredge, thank you.

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jun 2020, 20:45    Post subject:  

I'll add an .Xresources file for xterm font size next time.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Jun 2020, 23:23    Post subject:  

RC5 release announcement in following post.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jun 2020, 02:51    Post subject:  

All announcements, details and feedback has been moved to only:

https://weedoglinux.rockedge.org/viewtopic.php?p=226#p226

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jul 2020, 04:27    Post subject:  

How secure is this distro ? More secure from puli distro ?
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jul 2020, 06:03    Post subject:  

@ wiak

How can we reconcile the restrictions in your identical edits above and your final paragraph here ?

What do others have to say about wiak's personal right to discriminate unfairly ?
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jul 2020, 13:01    Post subject:  

@EBored

Since you can adjust almost any parameter before the build one can make the distro one intends to create, as secure or insecure as desired.

Since it's inherently a multi-user system you could make it blow Puli away like dust if security is so paramount.
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jul 2020, 14:47    Post subject:  

Shocked
rockedge wrote:
... you could make it blow Puli away like dust if security is so paramount.


@ rockedge, I suspect that to be hyperbole born of fondness for Weedog and ignorance of Puli. gjuhasz has built some rather clever and unique mechanisms into Puli which, no doubt, required a great deal of time, knowledge and effort.

If EBored spent the time and effort to learn how gjuhasz managed it --even if taking a short-cut by carefully dissecting Puli-- and to fully learn how to configure WeeDog, comparable or even superior security might be obtained. That, however, is a big IF. And even then, I doubt that the comparison could accurately be discussed as being on different levels of magnitude.
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jul 2020, 21:04    Post subject:  

I've used Puli and I like it a lot and I wouldn't set out to top it
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