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wiak

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PostPosted: Thu 30 May 2019, 23:52    Post subject:  

aaaaa wrote:
Why is wiak such a crybaby?

If you look at that discussion, s451a (sic) already read it days ago,.He is well aware, nobody is forcing him to do what he is doing and you can't force people to do what they don't want to do.

We're all individuals, there are no groups or conspiracy theories, we all do what we want to do and nothing else.

PS: merging code was started months ago by only one individual, being a drama queen like wiak or musher0 doesn't help, in fact it does help to end all efforts.


And what is it that you have ever created or actively build on and for the murga forum in your, "long term one-year... here"? Your avatar shows it all except for the missing brown tongue.

My post concerned the lack of earlier courtesy, and the general arrogant insulting by Puppy devs who should know better. s243a and others began working on woof-next code 05May2019 - only later informing about woof-CE sudden merge plans was hardly being helpful - it is not as if jamesbond could not have done so back at the time. As for the comments suggesting others are somehow incapable - well, ignorance is bliss I suppose.

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PostPosted: Fri 31 May 2019, 00:08    Post subject:  

There is a misunderstanding here. People assume that some other people know that what other people are thinking or doing. That was never the case.

So I hereby declare that DebianDog is the official Debian Puppy.

Will my voice be heard? I hope so.
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PostPosted: Fri 31 May 2019, 00:51    Post subject:  

wiak wrote:
From alternative puppy build system thread:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1029449#1029449
s243a wrote:

https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/issues/1384#issuecomment-491605696


jamesbond_13May2019 wrote:
I considered announcing it; that woof-next integration is in progress but then I thought I'd hear from @wdlkmpx first


Pity, and somewhat lacking in courtesy not to warn s243a immediately. Not notifying him, yet knowing he is working with woof-next code and changing a lot of code up at woof-CE/woof-next could make a lot of extra work for s243a since, if unlucky, may end up needing to re-write lots of code to take into account

As far as I know I"m ahead of woof-CE here...but my only reservation is that others had more sucess than I did early on and it made me wonder if I was working from the right code. I did pull from the woof-next branch and I did see recent changes in this branch....but it is possible that others might have been working with code that merged branches.

Anyway, the experimental branch of woof-next is in a worse state since it's missing:
/woof-next/woof-arch/x86/target/boot/initrd-tree0/bin
**Reported in issue# 1405

but there could code hiding somewhare that I don't know about (in another branch??? or not yet published to github???)
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unknown changes to the 'official' code base.

In my fork of the woof-next I copied code from the master branch into my fork. I did this because I feel like I have a greater preference for stability (until is is about a change I propose Embarassed ) than the woof-CE stewards do but maybe I'm being unintentional ironic here since in the end my changes to woof-next might end up being quite radical.
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mavrothal_13May2019 wrote:
The fact is that there are several forum members that have develop a dislike for woof-ce for whatever, mostly irrelevant and personal, reasons.
They are OK with you offering “a 5year-dead project” and can not complain when the real issues appear, but if they are offered an active project, all they’ll do is complain as they always did, because they are not really capable to address any issue. I believe that remotely serious builders have visited github and seen the activity and discussions.

jamesbond_13May2019 wrote:
Agreed. There is a certain level of skills involved when you want to build a distro.


Wow...!!! What arrogant abusive comments really. Quite a little dictatorship evident up there at the supposed community woof-CE github it seems.


Truthfully, I expect this kind of attitude amongst smart people even if it isn't always socially astute. I just shrug it off because in the end the best disproof is with ones actions.

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Reminds me of an earlier comment by the same woof-CE 'gatekeeper' in another of these little insider woof-CE discussion meetings:

https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/puppylinux-woof-CE.github.io/issues/30

mavrothal_8March2019 wrote:
Based on past contribution @rserwin1 and @ninaholic could be invited (not sure if ever did in the past) but I can not see many more.
... offering "stewardship" to active/vocal forum members (assuming the stewards remain), I'm afraid will transfer the havoc of the forum in github.


I think they are only talking about the people that approve commits but then again perhaps there are better choices of words than suggesting that "the vocally passionate" might be bad stewards.

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I note from the more recent woof-CE discussion that at least the 'alternative' discussions seem to have the woof-CE 'gatekeepers' trying to keep up with what is being suggested/worked-on in the murga puppy forum. Now changing Puppy petget-only philosopy and hurredly trying to merge woof-next with it since that uses native pkg managers such as dpkg/apt... Smile Mind you, we already have native pkg dpkg/apt use in the DebianDogs (and pretty much perfect implementation) so hardly seems worth making a simulated Debian when already have a real puppy-sized/featured one. Maybe woof-CE should just stick to Slackware?


I think that for building a debian based system dpkg is more reliable than petget. However, once the system is built there are pro's and cons of each.

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Also note they have idea to copy DebianDog's use of having "own dpkg/apt-accessible repo" in addition to using upstream Debian official. Just use DebianDog since all that is already done... Wink


This might be a good idea if it has what they want in it. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 31 May 2019, 01:12    Post subject:  

aaaaa wrote:
If you look at that discussion, s451a already read it days ago,.He is well aware, nobody is forcing him to do what he is doing and you can't force people to do what they don't want to do.

agreed. Although, if there was something I missed then I would hope that one would be kind enough to offer this information. However, I think that I was ahead of such helpful advice because I was already utilizing woof-CE components (via TazPup64) before looking at woof-next. That said, I I wasn't up on all the latest changes to the experimental branch or fruture plans because I didn't at the time know about following projects on github Embarassed

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We're all individuals, there are no groups or conspiracy theories, we all do what we want to do and nothing else.

I think someone really likes Ann Rand's books Razz

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PS: merging code was started months ago by only one individual, being a drama queen like wiak or musher0 doesn't help, in fact it does help to end all efforts.


This is the kind of helpful advice that can also come off as a threat Surprised Which way a person sees it I suppose depends on their mood.


P.S. I did read the github discussion but I missed (glossed over) the stuff about merging it into an experimental branch. If this was started months ago than the process seems to be quite slow Surprised

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2019, 01:39    Post subject:  

Added FirstRib build system constructed WeeDog Linux to the first post list.

Removed Quirky since the project was 'retired' and no longer developed, and whilst its documentation and downloads continue to be available, that availabily was announced as being no longer guaranteed.

wiak

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2019, 06:06    Post subject:  

As a puppy user ( on and off) for some years, but only a mere user, I greatly appreciate this effort by wiak, it takes a considerable effort on returning to puppy to try and understand the state of play in a fast moving community and just what is what, although I at least have some clue, what it must be like for a new linux convert I can only guess, wiak's efforts are appreciated and needed at least to smooth the steep learning curve.
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PostPosted: Sat 31 Aug 2019, 08:59    Post subject:  

First post of this thread updated to indicate that distro:

FirstRib-based WeeDog Linux now comes in multiple build flavours' - Void, Ubuntu, Debian, and Devuan (Arch flavour under development).

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1020193#1020193

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Sep 2019, 07:01    Post subject: Distrowatch_murga. Last updated: 01 September 2019  

reserved

for Distrowatch_murga post, see:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1035827

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2019, 12:30    Post subject:  

Hello

Great post -- could it be made "sticky" maybe even moved to the beginers section. We've needed something like this for years.
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Dec 2019, 00:39    Post subject:  

Barkingmad wrote:
Hello

Great post -- could it be made "sticky" maybe even moved to the beginers section. We've needed something like this for years.


Thanks. Yes, it does make more sense to move thread to Beginners Section, also I've asked for it to be made sticky but moderator(s) have just ignored that request so nothing I can do about that. I don't have powers to move whole thread either, but I'll start new thread in Beginners Section with new first post of this (which is actually now a link to a blog post I can more easily keep up to date). So let's consider this thread under Projects area now closed and continue any discussions about it in the thread I'll start for it under "Beginners".

Cheers, wiak

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Dec 2019, 16:20    Post subject:  

Actually, until and if such time the thread is made 'sticky', it is probably necessary to keep thread in Projects folder too. Beginners posts are frequent changing information so a thread like this one disappears too quickly since the list of new projects doesn't need altered particularly often...

Certainly Beginners Section is where I'd like to keep it, but that can only happen when this forum's moderator's respect the request to make it sticky there.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Dec 2019, 17:34    Post subject:  

Hi Wiak

Avery interesting thread...

An I will refer to this page from your web page:
https://www.tinylinux.info/post/distributions-created-by-puppy-forum-members/

where you give relatively long explanations on ubuntu derivatives.

but it so that ubunutu stay only available a few years without difficulties. sometimes only one year, sometimes, LTS ones, longer.

but a lot of our lovely Puppy's and assoc. are about as old as the supporting time Rolling Eyes

or older Twisted Evil

and debian?

I have at home more than 3 (3 with each the complete CD / DVD collection of each release, binaries and sources, other with large extracts depending of the source...), some ones very old (perhaps Debian 1, I would have to check it again)

and other peoples of that forum have probably other collections of Debian Rolling Eyes

but it seems that nobody have interest to preserve the sustainability of our puppy releases. The poor «ppm» is overstained if you wish from it to consult authentic Debian CD's/DVD's or her copy in a dir or archive on your HD Embarassed

I suppose the lat real Dpup's (with the authentic mixture and funtions of real puppy's) where such of iguleder (how to find them again here or at archives)?

the new ones have great bad differences to the average Puppy definition...

and no one have both 32 and 64 bit versions (so if you have more than one PC in your house and not collections of Debian for both, your are automatically very limited( ... Crying or Very sad

our activities are often nonsens...
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