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wiak

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2019, 22:31    Post subject:  Distributions created by members of the Puppy Forum
Subject description: Puppy Linux and other Small Distros supported at this forum
 

Current version of this post is dated: 01 September 2019

Note that in addition to this post, thanks to darry19662018, you can find more information via the Puppy wiki at page at http://wikka.puppylinux.com/Buildsystems

Puppy Linux Forum has expanded over the years. It now provides support for not only Puppy distributions, but also a number of similarly small and flexible distributions, which were inspired by Puppy and generally provide some of the look-and-feel and functionality of Puppy itself but using other distribution methodologies, such as for example being based on unique container system, Debian Live, Linux From Scratch, Tiny Core Linux, or Slitaz etc. Furthermore, everyone has the right to create or remaster (make a 'spin' or fork) her or his own distribution and bring it to the attention of the Forum.

One result of that increased diversity is that not every application created for one distribution, nor technique for accomplishing some task in one distribution, may work in another distribution.

In view of the above, forum users should be particularly careful to:

I. Post any comments, questions, bug reports etc... about any particular distribution in the specific sections/threads assigned for that distribution. Carefully posting in appropriate threads helps avoid confusion and avoids thread moderators having to waste time answering or re-directing inappropriate questions or comments. Each distribution has its own thread in either the Derivative Section, the Projects Section or the Cutting Edge Section.

II. Always mention the exact Puppy (or Puppy-like) distro that you use / ask about, along with the version.


The following is not intended to be exhaustive, but rather to provide an overview of the diversity described above.

Amongst the downloadable distributions you can find in various sections of the forum are:

1. Puppy Linux itself.

Please refer to http://puppylinux.com/download.html for a list of the latest woof-CE built puppies.


Puppy Linux has been developed following on from the design of its originator, BarryK.

Though the underlying operation, boot mechanisms, major control scripts etc, of Puppy Linux are unique, it nowadays comes in multiple flavours such as individual versions that use Debian, Ubuntu, or Slackware libraries and application repositories as part of their operating design. Nowadays, official Puppy Linux distributions are assembled via a build system called woof-CE. In addition, various individuals create their own specialised versions of Puppy Linux by remastering woof-CE built Pups.

As with most of the distributions described in this post, "if you are a member of the Puppy Linux community, then you are a member of the Puppy Linux Team":

http://puppylinux.com/team.html

Some information about Puppy remasters, and about Puppy gatekeepers' view on the relationship between Puppy itself and the other distributions mentioned in this post can be found in Puppy Frequently Asked Questions, here:

http://puppylinux.com/faq.html

You can find more information about Puppy here:

http://puppylinux.com/index.html


2. EasyOS.

"EasyOS is designed from scratch to support containers. Any app can run in a container, in fact an entire desktop can run in a container. Container management is by a simple GUI, no messing around on the commandline. The container mechanism is named Easy Containers, and is designed from scratch (Docker, LXC, etc are not used). Easy Containers are extremely efficient, with almost no overhead -- the base size of each container is only several KB".

EasyOS is created and maintained by BarryK, the originator of Puppy Linux.

You can find more information about EasyOS, including download links, here:

https://easyos.org/


3. FatDog.

"Fatdog64 Linux is a small yet versatile 64-bit multi-user Linux distribution. Originally created as a "fatter" (=more built-in applications) derivative of Puppy Linux, Fatdog has grown to become an independent, mature 64-bit Linux distribution while still keeping true to Puppy Linux spirit: small, fast and efficient".

"Note: Fatdog uses the same packaging as Slackware (in fact Fatdog adopts Slackware package management tools) but is not based on Slackware so while you can install Slackware packages, they may or may not work. TXZ packages are used starting with Fatdog 700".

You can find more information about FatDog, including download links, here:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/


4. The Debian/Ubuntu-based Dogs.

Please refer to https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/ for a list of the latest Debian/Ubuntu-based Dogs.


"DebianDog is very small Debian Live CD shaped to look and act like Puppy Linux. Debian structure and Debian behaviour are untouched and Debian documentation is 100% valid for DebianDog. You have access to all debian repositories using apt-get or synaptic".

The Debian/Ubuntu-based Dogs do however also come in several flavours being specially crafted from official Debian or Ubuntu official distributions; nowadays using official debootstrap script and then modified in-house by current maintainer(s).

You can find more information about these various "Debian/Ubuntu Dogs", including download links, here:

https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/


5. TazPuppy.

TazPup is a "Slitaz-based puppy. A hybrid distro".

A downloadable build system (script) has also been created by TazPup's originator.

TazPuppy currently does not have its own website. Instead you can find information including download/build-system information for it in its main forum thread here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=990164#990164


6. CorePup.

"corepup is a tinycore base
with modifications and puppy and other stuff added to it
hopefully combining the advantages of both

the reason is that tinycore
is a minimal and modular system
that allows modifications to be snapped in and out like leggos".

CorePup currently does not have its own website. Instead you can find information for it in its main forum thread here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=923231#923231


7. WeeDog Linux

WeeDog can be as large or small as you like, being any resultant distro created using the simple two-script FirstRib core build system (build_firstrib_rootfs and build_firstrib_initramfs). Unlike most build systems, the default smallest WeeDog build time (including download) takes only a matter of minutes.

WeeDog Linux now comes in multiple build flavours' - Void, Ubuntu, Debian, and Devuan (Arch flavour under development).

The philosophy employed in FirstRib design is to keep all scripts short, simple, and modular, such that they are easy to read and understand, and thus easy to modify, develop, and maintain.

A key aspect of FirstRib build design is to use only two components to build the rootfilesystem: busybox + a native standalone static compiled package manager (currently Void Linux xbps package manager and for debian-based flavours: debootstrap). That design inherently allows FirstRib to construct a fully upstream- compatible root filesystem of any desired complexity, from that of a commandline only system, up to full desktop supported natively by the upstream distro repositories. A simply implemented optional plugin facility is also provided, which allows any developer to provide their own recipe additions for any desired-complexity of the resulting final build.

The build WeeDog initramfs shell script is also short and simple by design (including generation of a short and simple initramfs/init which uses overlay filesystem to provide save persistence, typical load squashfs capabilities, and copy2ram option).

Even the smallest WeeDog build includes ethernet or wifi connection capability. Thereafter, it is only a matter of installing additional packages (individually or, for example, via Void or Debian-based Linux meta-packages) to turn the system into a full X gui desktop. The result is a flexible, build-it-yourself-how-you-wish, generally highly CPU-efficient, low RAM usage system.

You can find more information about FirstRib creation of WeeDog, including download links, here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1028956#1028956

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2019, 22:34    Post subject:  

wow wiak

very nice and informative

this will be a big help

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 01:11    Post subject:  

Corrigendum:

Plus the Debian-based Pups, called DPups, since many years ago, initiated by former
forum member gposil. Born at the same time as the SlackoPups and the UPups.

You forgot those, wiak: the original DPup-4,82, then DPup-4.87, then SqueezePup,
WheezyPup, StretchPup and now DPupBuster. (Back with some URL's later.)

Important and knowledgeable forum members and devs contributed to this Puppy
breed: gposil and dejan555; iguleder et al.; pemasu; ttuuxxx, SailorEnceadus et al.;
radky; now josejp2424 and myself -- et al.. More to come, I'm sure.

The presence of the DebianDogs on this board tend to overshadow the DPups, but the
latter are still an important branch of the PuppyLinux family -- they always have been.

You are forgiven because you are relatively new to the Puppy scene. Newer than the
original DPups, certainly, so you could not have witnessed the evolution of that Puppy
breed first-hand.

BFN.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 02:13    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Corrigendum:

Plus the Debian-based Pups, called DPups, since many years ago, initiated by former
forum member gposil. Born at the same time as the SlackoPups and the UPups.

You forgot those, wiak: the original DPup-4,82, then DPup-4.87, then SqueezePup,
WheezyPup, StretchPup and now DPupBuster. (Back with some URL's later.)

Important and knowledgeable forum members and devs contributed to this Puppy
breed: gposil and dejan555; iguleder et al.; pemasu; ttuuxxx, SailorEnceadus et al.;
radky; now josejp2424 and myself -- et al.. More to come, I'm sure.

The presence of the DebianDogs on this board tend to overshadow the DPups, but the
latter are still an important branch of the PuppyLinux family -- they always have been.

You are forgiven because you are relatively new to the Puppy scene. Newer than the
original DPups, certainly, so you could not have witnessed the evolution of that Puppy
breed first-hand.

BFN.


The post at the top of this thread is not intended to be a history of Puppy (or any of the other distros mentioned) and the people who contributed to that history. That is already done in puppylinux.com website, which is linked to. As I said, for Puppy (and similarly for the DebianDogs):

wiak wrote:
... XenialPup, BionicPup and some older and newer versions


Note that if puppylinux.com needs to have its information updated, that is up to its maintainer.

Nor is the post expected to be final - it is just an effort on my part to get such a post established/used.

In respect to you odd comment about me being relatively new to the Puppy scene: You do seem to be somewhat even "newer" to the Puppy scene musher0, not that that is relevant to the discussion.

wiak

EDIT: Note that there is also a quite recent DevuanDog 'Beowulf' Alpha available on the Puppy forum, but not yet 'officially released' via main Dog website, but again, that is up to fredx181 when and if he decides to announce that one on the official Dog website. My post is not meant to be any kind of substitute for the overall documentation available officially.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 02:46    Post subject:  

In other words, the main post of this thread was never meant to be a complete listing of all current and past distros. That would be overly complex for this post's purpose and quite irrelevant IMO since Puppy has a perfectly good official website that should be maintained with correct up-to-date info on distributions. Similarly for the Dogs.

If someone wants to also compile a listing of all Puppy forum distros past and present they are of course welcome to do so! Wink

What I might do, however, to avoid any jealousy issues "anyone" might have, is to remove the one line of info I included naming the initiator/creator of the project. That info can again be found on the official threads or websites. I prefer it as it is (currently only BarryK is credited as far as Puppy distros are concerned), but others can decide.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 03:07    Post subject:  

Bit sad Sad Sad Sad that:

UPupBB & UPupCC
ScPup & ScPup64
LxPupSc & LxPupSc64

all Woof-CE builds

and LxPupBionic derivative of UPupBB

were not included / mentioned.....

see: http://puppylinux.com/download.html

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 03:16    Post subject:  

Well, peebee, if worst comes to the worst, the list 'can' be expanded. But surely you see my point that LxPups etc and so on should be listed on puppylinux.com, which is really what my list points to. If LxPup already on puppylinux.com I guess that would be in the 'quick one line list' - I don't think it is. So really I suggest you get puppylinux.com website brought up-to-date since my list is simply a pointer to that when it comes to details for Puppy.

In other words get your woof-CE pups acknowledged as official on the official puppy linux website. That's not my problem.

Over time there are tons of Puppy distros (some being woof-CE built) - this list is not a replacement for puppylinux.com. Sorry about that...

wiak

Note that the list says:
Quote:
For example:
where examples currently are official per puppylinux.com website. The "For example" list can be changed, but should fit in with official Puppy site official downloads details. Like I said in another post, if someone wants to compile a more complete list of everything available on forum then that's up to them, but too complicated for my purpose, which is to point to main distro website for details.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 03:19    Post subject:  

I suggest to Flash to make sticky this thread at first spot in Projects section.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 03:31    Post subject:  

Well done wiak ! Thanks.

Although I know your intention is just to do make clear what are the different types of OS's offered in this forum, I'd say it wouldn't do any harm to list some more Woof-CE built Puppies (e.g. LxPup, Dpup)

edit:
watchdog wrote:
I suggest to Flash to make sticky this thread at first spot in Projects section.

+1

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 03:36    Post subject:  

If you remove the "For example" list and add a link to:
http://puppylinux.com/download.html
then that would be better.....in my opinion

[for example BionicPup is not yet released (as in blessed as "Official" and proffered to Distrowatch) and does not yet appear on puppylinux.com whereas LxPupSc and UPupBB do]

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 03:42    Post subject:  

peebee wrote:
If you remove the "For example" list and add a link to:
http://puppylinux.com/download.html
then that would be better.....in my opinion

[for example BionicPup is not yet released and does not yet appear on puppylinux.com whereas LxPupSc and UPupBB do]


Yes I think that is better, or it becomes a never-ending problem to keep up.

thanks

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 04:31    Post subject:  

Quote:
Creation of the Debian/Ubuntu-based Dogs was "initiated by...

Debian Live (DebianDog) has pedigree originated by sickgut ...
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=539589#539589

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 04:39    Post subject:  

rufwoof wrote:
Quote:
Creation of the Debian/Ubuntu-based Dogs was "initiated by...

Debian Live (DebianDog) has pedigree originated by sickgut ...
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=539589#539589


All these individuals are accredited/thanked in relevant DebianDog Organisation website. For simplicity, I have now removed any individual mentions from my list concerning the Deb Dogs, since such mentions don't matter to me in terms of post purpose. Indeed, the only individual now mentioned at all in my post is BarryK himself, since that mention has the purpose of showing a direct dev relationship between Puppy, Quirky, and EasyOS. Hope that alteration satisfies those who are concerned with being credited or otherwise: any such credit should in any case be provided in the main distro threads/website, where due and relevant.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 05:40    Post subject:  

Hi, wiak.

I appreciate your efforts, and I'm sure everybody does, but your alterations simply
pass the buck to the general Puppy site.

Now this site does do justice to the LXPups, but NOT to the DPups. Why the oversight?
There is no valid reason why all variants of Puppy cannot share the spotlight.

There are at least two DPups in activity as I write these lines, radky's Stretch-7.5, and
josejp2424's DPupBuster-7.9.0.2.

Best regards to all.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2019, 05:53    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
your alterations simply
pass the buck to the general Puppy site.


Correct, the official Puppy website is a good place for officially recognised Puppy distributions to be listed. If someone feels their Puppy creation should be officially recognised then they should ask the maintainer at the Puppy website to consider adding their distro to the list. Much better than over-complicating a simple post like mine, which isn't trying to organise Puppy Linux itself; that's the job of the official Puppy site. I don't want to mention all the individual Puppy (or Deb Dogs) distributions in my simple post - that's not it's purpose.

EDIT: Please note that I do consider the raised concern valid. I am aware of these Puppy distros, but really puppylinux.com is the home of Puppy and it is important that Puppy keeps its own house in order. I am not trying to substitute for that. I'm sure new distributions should be able to be added to puppylinux.com (else, why not?); if not, then yes, reluctantly I could add a couple of extra entries specially, but there shouldn't be a need for special mentions like that IMO.

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