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don570


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2019, 15:12    Post subject:  

I spoke too soon when I wrote that Blender 2.80
is compatible with nouveau driver. In fact it's quite buggy when rendering
because nouveau driver doesn't support CUDA.
It is stable enough to practise modeling.
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jake29

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PostPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2019, 06:36    Post subject:  

Two audio issues that I have tried to understand for myself. I use a laptop with Intel audio, which is mostly connected to an external HDMI monitor. Installation was done with external monitor connected.

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.asoundrc: https://pastebin.com/raw/7BGvRBMu
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(1) OSS remapping not working. Even though audio is working fine, each reboot I have to configure 'Volume Control' - changing from OSS to Alsa - before I can actually change volume using slider.

Boot with HDMI monitor connected:
Code:

# lsmod | grep oss
snd_pcm_oss            45056  0
snd_mixer_oss          24576  3 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm                77824  6 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_core
snd                    65536  26 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_timer,snd_pcm_oss,snd_pcm,snd_mixer_oss

Boot without HDMI monitor connected:

Code:
# lsmod | grep oss
snd_pcm_oss            45056  0
snd_mixer_oss          24576  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm                77824  5 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_core
snd                    65536  10 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_timer,snd_pcm_oss,snd_pcm,snd_mixer_oss


(2) When starting laptop without external HDMI monitor, I have no audio at all and no option for the onboard audio is listed - I tried every available soundcard shown.

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PostPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2019, 11:07    Post subject:  

jake29
(1) that's because in the current implementation, the OSS remapping is not persistent across reboots. It's an enhancement.
(2) please send bugreport.sh when you're having this problem (or just send contents of /proc/asound/cards) - but only when you're having this problem.

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PostPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2019, 16:37    Post subject:  

Jake29

Is your computer Atom based? They are not well supported on linux, except hdmi was sorted in the kernel. They will need ucm, which comes with fatdog, but will also need pulse audio sound server.

I found a web page where some of these soundcards made to work with patches and config files which I downloaded but haven't yet tried.
https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/bytcr-rt5640-cant-get-sound-to-work-4175635564
Do lspci in term to see something like this ' Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SoC Transaction Register'

stemsee

I attach the files (bytecr x5 8350 cherrytrail soundcard), one patch for the kernel (might be obsolete), for anyone interested to take a look.
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jake29

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PostPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2019, 17:20    Post subject:  

stemsee wrote:
Is your computer Atom based? They are not well supported on linux, except hdmi was sorted in the kernel. They will need ucm, which comes with fatdog, but will also need pulse audio sound server.

Thanks for the interest. Laptop specs:

Code:
Model: Dell Venue 11 Pro 7140
CPU: Intel Core M-5Y71
Mainboard: Intel Broadwell-Y PCH-LP (Premium)
Soundcard: Intel Broadwell PCH-LP - High Definition Audio Controller

Code:
# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Host Bridge -OPI (rev 09)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5300 (rev 09)
00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Audio Controller (rev 09)
00:04.0 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Processor Thermal Subsystem (rev 09)
00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP USB xHCI Controller (rev 03)
00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP MEI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #3 (rev e3)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #4 (rev e3)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP LPC Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP SATA Controller [AHCI Mode] (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP SMBus Controller (rev 03)
01:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 59)
02:00.0 SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. SD/MMC Card Reader Controller (rev 01)

Edit: Added more laptop info.

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jd7654

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Mar 2019, 01:52    Post subject: Chromebook  

Tested well here on Acer Chromebook C740.

Everything works: touchpad, network, sound, etc. Much better than some past experiences with Chromebooks.

This one is running Stock Chrome OS, with Crouton Xubuntu added, but also boots to GalliumOS. Fatdog was manually frugal installed on the GalliumOS partition.

Code:
# inxi -bC
System:
  Host: Acer-Chromebook Kernel: 4.19.24 x86_64 bits: 64
  Desktop: Openbox 3.6.1 Distro: Fatdog64 Linux 800
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: GOOGLE product: Auron_Paine v: 1.0 serial: 123456789
  Mobo: N/A model: N/A serial: N/A BIOS: coreboot v: N/A date: 01/06/2017
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 36.7 Wh condition: 36.7/44.7 Wh (82%)
CPU:
  Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Celeron 3205U bits: 64 type: MCP
  L2 cache: 2048 KiB
  Speed: 798 MHz min/max: 500/1500 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 798 2: 798
Graphics:
  Message: No Device data found.
  Display: server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: intel
  unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Broadwell GT1 v: 4.5 Mesa 18.2.8
Network:
  Message: No Device data found.
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 22.32 GiB used: 4.37 GiB (19.6%)
Info:
  Processes: 137 Uptime: 4m Memory: 3.79 GiB used: 375.4 MiB (9.7%)
  Shell: perl inxi: 3.0.32
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jake29

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Mar 2019, 17:58    Post subject:  

@jamesbond - Booting into Fatdog64-800 without savefile has the same result - no audio from internal speakers. I guess that suggests kernel/kernel modules.
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Mar 2019, 14:19    Post subject: SKYPE(SOLVED)  

I now Skype keeps making thing difficult for Linux, but I hope it can work under FatDog.

I went to Skype website and downloaded that latest .deb file and converted it into fatdog format.

Installed and a icon appear in "Network" in the menu, but nothing happen as i click on it.

Anyone else got it working? Some dependencies?

Apart from that the latest 800 is great. Very fast and good improvements.

PS! I got low audio output on my internal PC speaker, but the external speaker is great.

Its sound, but quite low, despite being max in both tray and mixer

Installed Chrome and use that for "dubious stuff" such as microsoft and facebook. Skype online web works well in the browser so i do not need the skype client after all...

If you got a gmail skype adress, better log on using your username.
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Mar 2019, 01:35    Post subject:  

@jake29, @WB7ODYFred: I've got your PM and will answer asap. Thank you.

@jd7654: thank you for testing, glad that it works!

@Atle:
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I went to Skype website and downloaded that latest .deb file and converted it into fatdog format.

Tell me about it. Between me, smokey01, Chris, SFR and step, we spent countless hours trying to get it to work. It did work. Sort of. We can send text messages. But no voice. Which sort of defeats the purpose ... Sad

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Skype online web works well in the browser so i do not need the skype client after all...

That's a good thing to hear.

Quote:
PS! I got low audio output on my internal PC speaker, but the external speaker is great.

Its sound, but quite low, despite being max in both tray and mixer
It's a codec and driver problem, I think ALSA has been lowering the output volume for years. I have the same problem too and I eventually get fed up enough with it to do something.

Get the updated sound card applet from here: http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/iso/hotfix/800/preamp-0.1-noarch-1.txz. Save it (don't install it from the browser). Then, use Rox to find the location where the package is downloaded, then right-click on it and choose "Install Package".

Run it, and choose "software volume control with 20dB preamp".

When done, play music. Any music. Then launch alsamixer (you can launch it from Control Panel too), and use arrow keys to scroll to the rightmost place, there is a new control called "SoftPCM". Adjust the volume upwards. Hope it helps.

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Mar 2019, 01:43    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
//stuff snipped//
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PS! I got low audio output on my internal PC speaker, but the external speaker is great.

Its sound, but quite low, despite being max in both tray and mixer
It's a codec and driver problem, I think ALSA has been lowering the output volume for years. I have the same problem too and I eventually get fed up enough with it to do something.

Get the updated sound card applet from here: http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/iso/hotfix/800/preamp-0.1-noarch-1.txz. Save it (don't install it from the browser). Then, use Rox to find the location where the package is downloaded, then right-click on it and choose "Install Package".

Run it, and choose "software volume control with 20dB preamp".

When done, play music. Any music. Then launch alsamixer (you can launch it from Control Panel too), and use arrow keys to scroll to the rightmost place, there is a new control called "SoftPCM". Adjust the volume upwards. Hope it helps.


Does this do anything different than manually creating /etc/asound.conf like suggested here?

https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/adding-an-alsa-software-pre-amp-to-fix-low-sound-levels/
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Mar 2019, 03:35    Post subject:  

dancytron wrote:
Does this do anything different than manually creating /etc/asound.conf like suggested here?
https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/adding-an-alsa-software-pre-amp-to-fix-low-sound-levels/

It's the same, in fact, that's where it comes from (that page list amplification of 20dB too ...) Very Happy

But it's nice to be able to configure it with the rest of the other settings in one place. In fact, there is no special dependency of the script (it only uses Xdialog), so you can get it and extract it on any Puppy and it should work too. You just need to change one line at the top (line 16 - specify /etc/asound.conf instead of $HOME/.asoundrc).

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Mar 2019, 11:40    Post subject:  

@jake29: thank you for your bug report. This is definitely a kernel issue. The kernel doesn't detect the analog portion of your soundcard. Does this always happens (as in, at every boot)? or only happen randomly?

Have this happened on earlier releases? If this is a new problem (didn't happen before) more likely than not it is a kernel regression. If 721 worked for you, you may want to try kernel 4.14.102 as step said here.

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Mar 2019, 16:20    Post subject:  

Instructions to edit BOOT_SPECS file of Easy linux
Easy to do with fatdog 800
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1021392#1021392

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Mar 2019, 16:50    Post subject:  

Krita appimage would launch in Easy pyro linux without the LIB trick,
but strangely I couldn't save a document in Krita native format.

I could export the image in jpeg format though.

In fatdog64 Krita is stable.
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Mar 2019, 19:09    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
@jake29: thank you for your bug report. This is definitely a kernel issue. The kernel doesn't detect the analog portion of your soundcard. Does this always happens (as in, at every boot)? or only happen randomly?

Have this happened on earlier releases? If this is a new problem (didn't happen before) more likely than not it is a kernel regression. If 721 worked for you, you may want to try kernel 4.14.102 as step said here.

Thanks for investigating jamesbond. I only started using this laptop with external monitor (as a desktop replacement) during the Fatdog64-800 beta. I have never run Fatdog64-721 on it.

Analog portion of my soundcard has never been detected in Fatdog64-800. Changing to kernel 4.14.102 makes no obvious difference.
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