Puppy's big problem with woof and woof CE

[darry19662018]

It is easy enough to produce your own cut down Pup I have done so with Stretch doing the following:
1, Use buildins which thankfully now allows you to remove more than 1 app or libraries. I end up with a basic pup which browses and playback with a portable gmplayer thanks to Fredx181.

I then rebooted with a savefile once I had used buildins utility.

2. removed savefile once rebooted then used remaster program,

3. This produced a folder with new Stretch sfs and zdrive and I deleted a drive, I used the isomaster program to insert these new sfs to the iso, produced a new onebone iso and frugal installed and hey presto with a bit of work a very basic system. So If you want a basic iso and system using static apps or self contained sfs the work I did was worth it.

I will upload the iso later with download details.

[wanderer]

thanks darry

i will look into both systems for the same iso

woof-ce and remaster like you did

like i said i have the time if not the expertise
so what is there to lose

wanderer

[darry19662018]

Well mate,

Put it this way If hate pulse-audio like I do and other cruft with a bit of sweat you can have a system easy to maintain and just add what you want as puppy has the tools like listDD and check dependcies of a pkg to help you thats pretty awesome.

[oui]

with only one repository selected
no choices need to be made at first

the thing with the dedicated source of binaries (*1 is following:

- Debian would be the best one without limit but today making heavy politic manipulation of the events... And the difficulty to decide if stable or testing or full SID (= diffferent visions of that what a little copy has to be...)

- the Slackware world is searching a new balance and is not really an example of good organization. To extend your working field is sometimes very difficult for end users!

- RedHat and all friends (Suse etc.) seems to be closed for us (as also we are not really a best example of good organization!)

- LFS seems to be difficult (NuTyx publishes all binaries (*2 of LFS and BLFS but it is an one man show for each part! The base made by Thierry Nuttens, the Swiss creator, and each one for the other parts esp. Pierre for the heavy KDE, bothe are the base of the best NuTyx...)

- Arch and gentoo are rollings. Rollings are possible but require to make somewhere a complete copy not being rolling itself and this fact has to be clear for all... They are probably with SID the most open Linux ressources and not so manipulated by some Debian gurus as SID/testing itself!

- Ubuntu, sorry, that is "my" last one really and terrible dangerous as to often contributors did use time limited versions under maximal development energy not being reproduced after that with some next LTS, but not extensible any more out the short time Ubuntu depositories...

(*1 as the sources of the clone of Android for PC are all published as well for 32 as for 64 bit, it would be in the theory possible to rebuild Puppy completely based on the Android clone , but was never matter of discussion in our community!

(*2 and full sources and build receipts! This is probably the only one distro encouraging to build from sources as LFS is stuff from sources. The first one, Debian, is only theory: How has really rebuild his system and translate it for ex. to an other CPU using aptbuild? I suppose no one in the Puppy community (Iguleder (*3 perhaps? I assume he continues to look from time to time here!). In the past did Slackware always offer all source but also did discourage to build with them!!! I don't know any more what the status about this details is in Slackware. Divers things seem to be erased like the second serie for IBM/MS-dos environment etc. ...

(*3 contributor Iguleder did be the last one I know declaring to compile (yes, in assembler sources) his Puppy's himself! Or are since this time new ones known (this is important! Compile themself is an extreme time occupation. This is only realistic possible if you use scripts and that is the kik: such scripts well working and good written can be precious for a community to recover contact with full rational compiled Puppy's as BK did made himself in the past...

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[wanderer]

yes darry i will try to learn your system

its like the old puppy but better

and maybe it will lead me to have the knowledge to make a minimal woof-ce

yes oui debian strech looks like the best candidate

wanderer

[darry19662018]

By the way as a side-note to what Oui was talking about which just about made me fall off my chair and why Devuan makes a good base. The maintainer of systemd is taking a break - poor chap,
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2606

[oui]

oh, really sorry for him... Devuan is a really lovely environment made with a lot of energy by a little staff!

[wanderer]

darry

your system is based on debian strech right

wanderer

[darry19662018]

Yes it is the Debian Stretch 7.5 release from peebee
to be exact original iso.
http://smokey01.com/radky/Woof/stretch- ... .9.149.iso

the above is the legacy hardware one.

[wanderer]

thanks so much darry

cool so that is where to start

whenever you have time put a link to your iso

and i will download it and burn it

then i will read your stuff

wanderer

[wanderer]

i dont want to get ahead of myself

but maybe in the future we can look at devuan

i hate systemd


wanderer

[wanderer]

if its ok

i am going to leave this topic on this thread
since we are trying to find a solution to the woof woof-ce issue

anyone can post anything else they want so i dont think we will be in the way

wanderer

[darry19662018]

i dont want to get ahead of myself

but maybe in the future we can look at devuan

i hate systemd


wanderer

Agreed, I have used Devuan based stuff and Miyo-linux based off it and I am very impressed with their work. As I have stated too I love using Musher's puduan 6 - so yeah Devuan is pretty cool.

[wanderer]

i see this as having 3 stages

1. absolute minimal iso - as small as can be and still be extensible

2. basic system iso - like what a newbee would want - small but functional

3. beautiful system whatever you want


i (and hopefully others) will work on 1 and 2
whoever wants to can work on 3


wanderer

[oui]

i see this as having 3 stages

1. absolute minimal iso - as small as can be and still be extensible

2. basic system iso - like what a newbee would want - small but functional

3. beautiful system whatever you want


i (and hopefully others) will work on 1 and 2
whoever wants to can work on 3


wanderer

Puppy self compiled and assembled by BK was always that!

JWM is a wonderful desk environment and so versatile and tiny especially if you continue to use, does Puppy, /etc/X11/xorg.config (without some terrible automatic resets!!! Pfui......). Other ones may be beautiful but fat terribly Puppy and requires new manipulations from newbies! Why not a really common way for all using for the other desktop environment dotsfs packages? RHS did made possible to start those dotfs packages immediately at starting time through some cfg file for the initrd!

note: I did extend my msg http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 62#1022962 to avoid some search but I didn't introduce Devuan because the fact that not all stuff are ported or can be ported from Debian, sorry, it is so . It would need that the Debian stuff can be used without some changes after installing a Devuan base but it is NOT the case... No automatic strip of systemd in sight!

[musher0]

Hello oui and all.

I repeat: jwm is Joe Wing's revenge on humanity for what he thinks humanity has
done to him.

You cannot write documentation like jwm's documentation if you have a heart. It
has no examples, absolutely no examples. Who does he think his users are?
Pure spirits? Robots?

I have never read anything so dry in my entire life. The man has no idea of how
learning happens in humans.

So I decided some years ago to go on strike permanently against jwm, and I am
glad I did. I discovered all sorts of window management concepts that jwm does not
even know exist.

There is a fabulous world of different WMs beyond jwm, you know. The world does
not stop at jwm.

BFN.

[darry19662018]

thanks so much darry

cool so that is where to start

whenever you have time put a link to your iso

and i will download it and burn it

then i will read your stuff

wanderer

As promised here it is:
https://archive.org/details/stretch7.5onebonek4.1.48

[oui]

Christian,

pls

Hello oui and all.

I repeat: jwm is Joe Wing's revenge on humanity for what he thinks humanity has
done to him.

You cannot write documentation like jwm's documentation if you have a heart. It
has no examples, absolutely no examples. Who does he think his users are?
Pure spirits? Robots?

I have never read anything so dry in my entire life. The man has no idea of how
learning happens in humans.

So I decided some years ago to go on strike permanently against jwm, and I am
glad I did. I discovered all sorts of window management concepts that jwm does not
even know exist.

There is a fabulous world of different WMs beyond jwm, you know. The world does
not stop at jwm.

BFN.

Other ones may be beautiful but fat terribly Puppy and requires new manipulations from newbies! Why not a really common way for all using for the other desktop environment dotsfs packages? RHS did made possible to start those dotfs packages immediately at starting time through some cfg file for the initrd!

you « was born to love and not to hate» so your favorite song, the Sophocles song!

You hate JWM and for this reason (or analog reason of others thinking they have to change, they say for it "develop", Puppy differently as BK did create it! Some other refuses mTpaint (although BK itself is a real graphic developer specialist) because also the manual of mTpaint is difficult for foreign users etc.,

Puppy has to be condamned to become fat?

pls, it is nonsens pure!

use dotsfs for other stuff divergent from those decided by BK in his stamples...


no other WM can be smaller than JWM and so beautiful at the same time! You can add bars and bars and background pictures as you want without some other app or extension with only a few lines

as user, you have nothing to do in the .jwmrc : BK did made the support about automatic and if you as developer are not able to write some lines in XHTML please renounce to develop and write poetry...

and we have to tolerate your nonsens "decision"?

we want and need real Puppy's...

if the concept from Puppy is wrong for you as BK did create it, it's simple, go away, create your own beautiful distribution with your own site and forum... what are those criticasters ensconced in the Puppy stuff and community, especially in the foreing language subdivision where it not appears so open for all and changing the rules! really...


distrowatch gives you no justification for such comportment: Puppy was place 8..9 just before it did become fat ...

and now, what a success really! look yourself that kind of success ...

[s243a]

Christian,
distrowatch gives you no justification for such comportment: Puppy was place 8..9 just before it did become fat ...

and now, what a success really! look yourself that kind of success ...

There are lightweight distributions (e.g. MXLinux and antiX) which are larger than puppy but more popular than puppy.. I'm not saying that puppy should be bigger or smaller, I'm just saying that it doesn't follow that puppy getting a bit larger makes it less popular.

Also aside from MXLinux and antiX most small/light weight distributions don't rank high on distrowatch. Therefore we should not get too concerned about these rankings.

[wanderer]

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wanderer