DPupBuster-7.9.0.2 published 17 Feb 2019

[musher0]

Thank you so much Mr. Quintuple Alcoholic Anonymous, aka "aaaaa".

Coming from the "nothing new" department again, are we?

This distro is not from me, as it happens. I'm just a facilitator. This is the umpth time I'm
saying it, but people with thick heads don't seem to get it.

Second, it is written on it, as big as your (thick) head, "ALPHA". Same letter as in your
nick, too, but you did not recognize it. How come? Don't tell me that you flunked the
alphabet class in first grade? Interesting...

Third, nobody tries a script by a guest at a bin site. You never know, especially if that
guest is you.

Fourth, MochiMoppei is writing a yadget like gcolor2, but he's not finished with it. Like I'm
not finished with you. His script is in a state of flux, so it's not reliable yet. And that's how
you'll feel when I'm finished with you: you'll feel soooo unreliable and soooo fluuuux-
tuating, you'll want to become a stable gcolor2 rpm at SysyphusLinux, wishing to be
downloaded by someone. Not me, though: as you know, I already got it. Poor thing,
you, stuck in an rpm repo.

Fifth: people, do not try the supposed Fedora script provided by our aaaaalliterate
comrade. He has not provided the URL or the checksum. Probably a fake: anyone
familiar with Fedora repos, please confirm; TIA.

Oh I'm so glad I'm not finished with Mr. Quintuple A. Yey! Great fun ahead! Oh, you're
so NOT prepared for what I have in store for you, Quintuple A. Hehehehehe.

[wiak]

moved following from thread:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 72#1019572

I did only ask you why SliTaz with about the same browser in it

Not sure if it is the reason, but that "about the same browser", being Midori, is actually very different. In DpupBuster, Midori is an exciting different beast, being the latest Midori ver 7. In TazPup, Midori is the old ver 0.5.2. I'm surprised no-one been saying much about Midori of late - it had apparently been discontinued, but then, that changed... ver 7 Midori is very impressive to me so far. No doubt, still has limitations, but could do with a thread on it on Puppy forum to discuss the new features and current limitations since wouldn't it be wonderful to get a slim alternative to Chrome/Firefox and the like? Admittedly, I don't know if this new Midori is slim or not (I'm hoping so). Here was the announcement that revealed Midori was not dead afterall:

https://www.midori-browser.org/2018/10/ ... e-for-all/

and this the latest news from it's blog, including work on cross-browser extension capability, and even a version being developed for Android:

https://www.midori-browser.org/2019/02/ ... rick-road/

Like I say, I don't know how slim Midori remains (I note GTK3 version, but presume can still be GTK2 compiled). Should add that one definite difference between normal Slitaz and Pups is that Pups use Xorg whereas traditional Slitaz only uses Xvesa (hence much smaller) and probably Slitaz uses seriously cut-down libs, but I haven't looked into such differences.

Well, maybe talk of Midori in this thread is somewhat off-topic, though shouldn't be in terms of, way things are going, Midori maybe should be added into woof-CE builds.

wiak

By the way, I'm posting this from Midori ver 7 in DPupBuster right now. Really quite impressed with it - hoping to test it more thoroughly to see how heavy it is (especially in terms of RAM used with multiple heavy page tabs (such as gmail, which is notoriously heavy in RAM per page - not sure Midori can do much about that though...short answer is that it probably can't since problem is the heavy web page design no matter the browser I'd say). Midori 7 in DPupBuster has failed to play video stored on Facebook for me, but I'm not sure if that is fault with Midori or in DPupBuster setup (video playing by Midori maybe still needing set up in DPupBuster itself since Dpup just in alpha state).

EDIT: I haven't tried as yet, but I've read that you need to install GStreamer codecs for html5 video/audio to work in Midori (but not sure yet what info applies to new versions of Midori). I guess that will apply to Youtube use too.

[oui]

Hi Wiak

at your place, I would not denigrate SliTaz and its web connexion! In the new Puppy buster, Midori 7.0, the links you did supply open not willing and no youtube!

In TazWeb, the own browser of SliTaz (based like Midori 4 on webkitGTK 2), top left, you get youtube . and also in Xombrero (also based like Midori 4 on webkitGTK 2), top, right, and, of course, in midori 4 (bottom center but actually not with youtube)

important is not the number 4 behind the name Midori but

if it works

including links and youtube etc.

as the guy's of SliTaz did develope her own browser as the base for her wonderfull Slitaz-Panel (in the base installation, nothing to add...)

- Puppy can not offer such comfort in more than 200 Mb and more and more -

(the panel actualize the distro exactly like the main distro's Debian, Ubuntu etc
the panel can change the user's (user name as well as create the new user with FREE login, and the passwords if not FREE login),
etc)

It is for evident, that SliTaz maintains the full compatible version of Midori with the more important TazWeb (and Xombrero, the most secure browser on the web) and doesn't want to manage more versions

as, it is true,

those versions WORK

also in youtube

and generally in HTML5 (google did just ask if I agree to save 3 HTML5 from google if I will use translate.google.com. I did answer "yes" and no claim!)

The print screen is self explanatory

test the functions not the idiotic release number behind a package name!
it is to easy...

(note: if you install Xombrero in SliTaz to test it, you have to restart one time after the first xombrero start to see how perfect it is installed )

[oui]

As I was testing actual SliTaz (early SliTaz did have Seamonkey) I did try if it continue to install Seamonkey. Not really: only the old version Seamonkey 2.7.2 out the time where Slitaz did not use webkitgkt itself. But for user, it can be usefull to loge a neuer release of Seamonkey as all links, register etc are already correct and work : only erase all the stuff in /usr/lib/seamonkey and fill it with the stuff of a newer version

as I often use Seamonkey 2.30 (the last version based on xulrunner) I did start it without more installation where it is on the disk

no problem!

and I did invoque youtube today 2019.02.25!

a terrible message did appear (...is not supported any more ,...), but, at the bottom, you will find a key to refuse to actualize, youtube opens now full and you can look and listen in Seamonkey what you want

yet in Seamonkey 2.30 in Slitaz!

[bigpup]

Desktop drive icons bunching up.

Rox>Options>Pinboard>Icon grid step
Select fine.
That will usually correct this issue.

[wiak]

Hi Wiak

at your place, I would not denigrate SliTaz and its web connexion! In the new Puppy buster, Midori 7.0, the links you did supply open not willing and no youtube!

In TazWeb, the own browser of SliTaz (based like Midori 4 on webkitGTK 2), top left, you get youtube . and also in Xombrero (also based like Midori 4 on webkitGTK 2), top, right, and, of course, in midori 4 (bottom center but actually not with youtube)

important is not the number 4 behind the name Midori but

if it works

including links and youtube etc.

Hi oui,

Well yes, I agree that Slitaz is a very impressive distribution and I've said so many times in the past including most recently:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 157#990157

There is no doubt the devs of Slitaz have spent a great deal of time perfecting their installation of Midori so it all works.

Nevertheless, I am particularly interested in recent Midori developments. Midori 7 certainly doesn't work perfectly in DPupBuster as yet, but as has been said that is an alpha iso so lots can be expected not to function at this stage (and Slitaz has had years to perfect its Midori offering - though not yet offering a newer Midori; though hopefully eventually will do).

As the first post of thread says, DPupBuster has nothing actually to do with musher0, despite him posting about it. Rather it has been assembled by josejp2424, and for an alpha, I think its a nice piece of work. I do wish josejp2424 had started his own thread for his own creation, since that is the usual practice and more useful since we can then direct our feedback directly to the distribution creator (and hopefully receive responses from him), but maybe he preferred not to for some reason we don't know.

Regarding distribution 'size', I still feel the use of Xorg in Puppy (and only Xvesa in Slitaz) is one major reason for difference between Pups and Slitaz - and probably cut-down lib set in Slitaz - I don't know. What Slitaz provides in such a small iso is certainly amazing (similar to what tiny core can do, albeit with a lot of tinkering required in tiny core to achieve user-quality provided by Slitaz). But more generally, I also tend to feel that distribution size isn't so important (even my 2GB 2008 machine works perfectly fine with larger distributions) - 100MB, 200MB, 500MB, doesn't make a lot of difference on most machines (and once you install larger apps/Xorg etc, size soon becomes similar...): what is important is RAM used when running apps (in terms of machine slowing down, swap being uses, or system crashing). Doesn't seem to matter what size of distribution you use in that regard - problem is the browser experience and moreso the heavy coded web pages, which suck RAM for every tab used.

wiak

[musher0]

Hello all.

Please find in this internet directory at augras' PuppyLinux repo an adrv
archive for DPupBuster-7.9.0.2, containing the following executables:

claws-mail
ghostscript + 12 ps2... converters
gnumeric + goffice infrastructure
hexchat
leafpad
mhwaveedit

all taken from "local-repositories_DPupBuster/x86/packages-deb-buster". in the
woof-CE construction hierarchy. Libraries needed by each are of course included.
I felt that those programs were needed to make the DPupuBuster a more complete
Puppy.

A tree file of the contents is attached. Total size of this adrv: 25 Mb.

Proper *.desktop files for all executables above, except the ghostscript, are provided in
the adrv. You'll need to change the midori,desktop files manually using the zip
attachment in a post above (if you wish).

Finally, in the same Internet directory at augras', you will find a palemoon sfs (43 Mb).
Latest version as of this writing, it installs to /opt, with symlink in /usr/bin.

The adrv sfs must be alongside the main puppy Buster sfs to be picked up by the
Puppy at boot.

The suggested location for the palemoon sfs is /mnt/home. You incorporate this
palemoon sfs into your Puppy using sfs_load.

Intelligent suggestions for improvements and questions welcome.

Enjoy!

[musher0]

(Edit, an hour later:)
For a corrective pet, please see 2nd post down. Thanks.
(End of edit)
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Hello all.

I temporarily solved a bug in script /usr/local/petget/pkg_chooser.sh (the technical
name of the "Puppy Package Manager", aka the "PPM"), which prevented it from
running more than once.

Please find attached. Download and unzip in /usr/local/petget. Then make executable
with command

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chmod ug+x pkg_chooser.sh

in console or from the ROX-Filer window in that directory (right-click -> permissions).

The edited part looks like this:

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# Do not allow another instance # Cancelled by musher0, Febr. 25 2019,
# until this bug is squished by the author.
# wait
# if ps --no-headers -C pkg_chooser.sh,ppm | grep -qwv "^$$"; then #v2.1.1...
# /usr/lib/gtkdialog/box_splash -timeout 3 -bg red -text "$(gettext 'PPM is already running. Exiting.')"
# exit 0
# fi

(Lines 13-19)
There is a later (?) version of this script, 38.2 Kb in size, by mavrothal, which I
downloaded from our github the other day. I tried it, it works ok, but it complains it
cannot find a couple of support scripts.

So this stop-gap will do until mavrothal revises it. Users, just remember NOT to run a
2nd instance of the PPM.

BFN.

[rerwin]

The fix for that is to change "^$$" to "^ *$$".

It is now corrected in the woofCE testing branch, available for new puppy builds.

The problem was that it did not handle process IDs of less than 5 digits, so occurred at random. Repeating the starting of PPM usually succeeds, particularly later in a session when process IDs are "full sized".

[musher0]

Continuing the above.

Please find attached a pet archive that will correct the problem in a more permanent
manner.

I separated the offending lines into their own script, called pkg_gate.sh, and edited them
like so:

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#!/bin/ash
# /usr/local/petget/pkg_gate.sh
# Goal: act as gate keeper for the pkg_chooser.sh script (aka "PPM")
# ------- so only one instance of the PPM is running.
#
# (c) Christian L'Écuyer, Gatineau (Qc), Canada, 25 février 2019. GPL3.
# (Alias musher0 [forum Puppy]) # Rév. : aucune / none.
####
if [ "`ps | awk '$4 ~ /pkg_chooser.sh/'`" ];then
     /usr/lib/gtkdialog/box_splash -timeout 5 -bg Sienna4 -fg wheat -text "$(gettext 'PPM is already running. Exiting.')"
else
     /usr/local/petget/pkg_chooser.sh
fi
exit 0

This way, the laucher does not have the same file name as the file it wants to run.
Which was the cause of the bug.

The symlink in /usr/local/bin and the PPM desktop file were edited as well to reflect this.

Let me know if the PPM still acts up on you. (It shouldn't anymore! )

BFN.

[musher0]

The fix for that is to change "^$$" to "^.*$$".

It is now corrected in the woofCE testing branch, available for new puppy builds.

The problem was that it did not handle process IDs of less than 5 digits, so occurred at random. Repeating the starting of PPM usually succeeds.

Too late, rerwin!

How come that woof-CE edit was not included in the recipe handed down to me (or to
josejp2424, for that matter)?

You guys in woof-CE BADLY NEED A MANAGING EDITOR! There are typos like that
everywhere in this Buster recipe. Get your act together, guys!

I am a power user, and I've been with Puppy over 10 years. So I've acquired let's say
"a sixth sense" for such errors. Now imagine what a regular, perhaps newbie, Linux
amateur may think of Puppy when he or she comes across typos like this.

If this neglect continues, forking Puppy may become an objective necessity, you know.

Best regards.

[aaaaa]

If this neglect continues, forking Puppy may become an objective necessity, you know.

Best regards.

You are using somebody else's work to gain recognition and attention.

That somebody else probably can build another iso that contains several important bugfixes in less than an hour.

Bugs happen every once in a while and they are fixed as soon as possible.

There are people in this forum that undermine real progress in puppy any way they can while seeking attention by riding on the backs of others.

Until that is addressed puppy will continue to decline in popularity..

musher0 is a threat to Puppy, the foe #1..

Now if only Flash banned musher0. Only alpha males can do that.

[musher0]

Thanks for the accolade, Quintuple A.

Good copy-editors are generally well-hated. So you're buddy-buddy with perdido, eh?

As to "bugs once and a while, corrected ASAP". What would you know about that? You're
a bug yourself!

But... wait... My God, what good news! That means you'll correct yourself ASAP!
Oohhh, what a touching scene! Quintuple A correcting himself...

[musher0]

Actually, wiak,

If you would be kind enough as to move your various posts about Midori to a Midori
thread?

Although josejp2424 is offering MiforI in his DPupBuster, IMO the capabilities of Midori
could be more freely discussed in a dedicated Midori thread.

I went over this thread once more, and I felt that the Midori part is distracting from
the main topic, which is DPupBuster-7.9.0.2.

TIA.

[wiak]

Actually, wiak,

If you would be kind enough as to move your various posts about Midori to a Midori
thread?

Although josejp2424 is offering MiforI in his DPupBuster, IMO the capabilities of Midori
could be more freely discussed in a dedicated Midori thread.

I went over this thread once more, and I felt that the Midori part is distracting from
the main topic, which is DPupBuster-7.9.0.2.

TIA.

Actually, musher0,

I disagree (that particular Midori being a key/important component/surprise in this DPupBuster offering), and since you are not the author of DPupBuster I think your opinion on it is no more important than any the other commentators here. Would be good if the actual author would start an official DPupBuster thread though so we can help him with relevant feedback and possible solutions/ideas, some of which he may appreciate.

wiak

Midori 7 in DPupBuster has failed to play video stored on Facebook for me, but I'm not sure if that is fault with Midori or in DPupBuster setup (video playing by Midori maybe still needing set up in DPupBuster itself since Dpup just in alpha state).

EDIT: I haven't tried as yet, but I've read that you need to install GStreamer codecs for html5 video/audio to work in Midori (but not sure yet what info applies to new versions of Midori). I guess that will apply to Youtube use too.

[musher0]

You're forgetting that I am the initiator of this thread, wiak.

If I had not started it, English-speakers would not have known about josejp2424's
wonderful DPupBuster. You do know, I presume, that José is a unilingual Spanish-
speaker, although he can read some French and some English.

Also, he authorized me to go public about it, otherwise I would not have started this
thread. (PM me if you want proof.) Hopefully he will soon be back from his travels
to voice his opinion.

BFN.

[watchdog]

I have got cups working loading musher0's adrv and installing a2ps, psutils and libqpdf21_8.4.0-2. Update lists of packages required.

[musher0]

I have got cups working loading musher0's adrv and installing a2ps, psutils and libqpdf21_8.0.0-2. Update lists of packages required.

Thanks for the test, watchdog, and for sharing the info.
Good to hear cups is working.

Please explain : "Update lists of packages required." Obviously you mean something
other than the tree I provided? TIA.

BFN.

[watchdog]

libqpdf21 is reported already installed but the new libqpdf21_8.4.0-2 is required. So lists of packages are to be updated to find the new libqpdf.

[musher0]

Hello all.

Speaking of Midori, I removed it along with its huge LLVM and gtk-webkit dependencies.
(approx. 99 Mb)

I also removed mpv and its dependencies. (approx. 4 Mb)

I resquashed, Now my puppy buster sfs is down to 239 Mb, from 263 Mb originally.
Mind you, with the 25 Mb adrv loaded, it is 1 Mb heavier than the original. Plus 43 Mb
for palemoon...

Everything appears to be working ok. LLVM being only required by the webkit, AFAIK.
To play songs and videos, I am experimenting with ffplay scripts. More about that later
if tests are conclusive.

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Another thing:
does anyone other than me have a problem with the CLI copy/paste buffers in
DPBuster? X copy buffers are working fine, but not the CLI ones, not completely,
anyway. Shift-insert is ok for paste sometimes, but never the mouse midlle-click.

The prototype, DPupBuster-7.9.0.1, does not have this bug. (But it cannot load any
sound drivers, which makes it sort of useless for me.)

Thanks in advance for any clue. BFN.