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A Puppy Version kinda in the middle for older hardware
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Linux NOOB

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Nov 2018, 21:44    Post subject:  

Lubuntu 18.10 looks very promising as I run it Live and I didn't have to configure ethernet at all, and my Wifi is working great.
Xenialpup64-7.5 is also fantastic and snappier I might add but doesnt support 32 bit computers like my IBM Thinkpad with 1280 megs of RAM and Intel 1500M processor. The biggest PITA is the PAE and newer flavors that support 32 abort and cry about PAE It's a PAEn in the @$$
Ubuntu 16.04.5 is somewhat sluggish like 18.0.4 in live but installed I'm not sure otherwise Lubuntu and Xenialpup are the best performers in Live.
Now the older Puppy Anita OS4.3.1 soared like eagles on both the Aspire and IBM but the internet browser wouldn't open but is very presentable. The earlier version of this 4.3.1 also worked very well on my old HP with the PIII800 and 128 megs of RAM and performed better than Win 2000. It is sad when older versions that rocked on smaller hardware are "discontinued" and should be able to be updated like the supported OS.

So the verdict is Xenialpup64-7.5 is the fastest and most presentable for 64 Bit capable systems
Lubuntu 18.10 is very nice as well but a smidgen slower and both were run in live. I'm tempted to try the slower runners installed to see if installed with swap etc. helps much like the 4.3.1 was only usable on my HP with 128 megs when installed on HHD.

I'm tempted to throw the Anita 4.3.1 on the Thinkpad BUT getting a browser to work?
Puppy guru's how old can these dogs be before they can't have upgrades performed to keep them up to date?
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Nov 2018, 23:55    Post subject:  

Hi again Linux NOOB,

It's not that older Puppies aren't supported. The problem is that many current websites contain graphic rich images which can not properly display unless your system contains newer, larger, libraries capable of handling that content. Further complicating that situation is that the applications built into older Puppies require the older libraries and the two sets of libraries conflict.

s243a mentioned Palemoon 27.8.3. [Palemoon is a fork from firefox]. In order to have the newer libraries but not have them conflict with builtin libraries, watchdog created a version of Palemoon which contained the newer libraries for its own use. You'll find it here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=933443#933443. I am uncertain whether this post, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=943352#943352 indicates that for Anitos or any 4 Series Puppy, you would have to install dbus and dbus-glib from archived debian lenny, http://archive.debian.net/ or not.

But it does remind me that you might want to try Wary 5.5 with dbus and dbus-glib via its Puppy Package Manager and Palemoon and flash mentioned in this post: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=943655#943655
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2018, 02:45    Post subject:  

I might add another thing which is compatible to Win 10 on the Xenialpup64-7.5 is the Graphics. The graphics are sharper than Win 7 and Xenialpup64-7.5 falls in this category as well. This is where we reach the fork in the road as Win 10 has much garbage running in the background forcing smaller computers to a crawl. Xenialpup64-7.5 is very fast. BTW near the beginning it was suggested and when doing a search for the lightest distros this was the latest and easiest to find so I tried it. The IBM and Acer fall into this category with the exception of 64 bit for the IBM. The latest is great for Acer and perhaps 5.5 for the IBM with PAE nag.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2018, 05:08    Post subject: Slacko - worth a try
Subject description: Slacko comes in 32 bit and 64 bit
 

The multiple machines is confusing, however, you appear to want a 32 bit and a 64 bit Puppy Distro. The one that I would recommend is Slacko
which has the both http://slacko.eezy.xyz/index.php.

Also, with Puppy, you can do a frugal install onto the internal HD no matter whether it has Windows NTFS or a Linux EXT4 on it as a frugal install does not need its own partition. No need to plug in a USB stick.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2018, 12:58    Post subject:  

mikeslr wrote:

s243a mentioned Palemoon 27.8.3. [Palemoon is a fork from firefox]. In order to have the newer libraries but not have them conflict with builtin libraries, watchdog created a version of Palemoon which contained the newer libraries for its own use. You'll find it here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=933443#933443. I am uncertain whether this post, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=943352#943352 indicates that for Anitos or any 4 Series Puppy, you would have to install dbus and dbus-glib from archived debian lenny, http://archive.debian.net/ or not.



The palemoon browser for Anitaos can be downloaded at:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/anitaos/files/Anitaos/Internet/Palemoon%20Builds/

One could compare md5 hashes with watchdog's version to see if they are the same or not.

BTW the aurther of Anitaos is darry19662018. If one had questions about it then they could try sending him a PM.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2018, 17:37    Post subject:  

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Xenialpup64-7.5 is also fantastic and snappier I might add but doesnt support 32 bit computers like my IBM Thinkpad with 1280 megs of RAM and Intel 1500M processor.

There is a 32bit version of Xenialpup 7.5.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=106479

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2018, 18:08    Post subject:  

problem with 32-bit systems with less than 2-4gig ram now, is that webpages can use 2gig of ram on their own.

I dont know about the graphics rich side of it, but turn java script off and see the difference in page load times, turn it on again to see how much page you lose.

any system i have with less than 2gig of ram now has to be job specific, so it might be for

- retreiving files from a hard drive
- experimental ideas
- old school nostalga
- web/media server
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2018, 18:32    Post subject:  

cretsiah wrote:
problem with 32-bit systems with less than 2-4gig ram now, is that webpages can use 2gig of ram on their own.


more than a quibble: this is not a problem with 32-bit systems with < 2 gb ram, this is a problem with webpages.

even with noscript, browsing the web on a system that has only 1gb of ram can be slow. there are various things that help-- though nothing helps more than a less bloated web and less bloated browser.

for reasons other that friendliness to machines with 1gb or less, we should get on that one of these days. maybe a proxy that throws out cruft is the way to do it.

if i never used another 1gb machine id say the same thing.

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