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Colonel Panic · #16 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Thu 25 Oct 2018, 14:07

mikeb wrote:Great stuff and some interesting information at those links.

A guy in a computer shop looked at me funny as I wanted a 64GB one and he only had 256GB...as in how could you possibly run anything on that.

64GB? I used to have 80 GB on my Dell Optiplex machine (which I had between 2012 and 2014) and really for me that was enough to manage with.

mikeb wrote:I failed to see the point in mentioning what I did on a 4 GB scsi drive or even no drive at all and only a cd recorder.

Do smartphones count? Thing is they are subject to nearly as much crud but unless rooted are harder to block sites with...I tried a couple of methods but failed.

So far I've resisted getting a smartphone, but I do know there's a market for additional storage;

https://www.toptenreviews.com/computers ... ge-review/

mikeb wrote:NT4 was 80MB installed.

mike

Didn't know that Mike, but I do recall that NT was considered a resource hog in its day. Microsoft Office 4.3 (for Windows 3.1) was about 28 MB, and there isn't much I need from an office suite that it didn't do (apart from maybe recognise and respond to web links and e-mail addresses).

On the subject of hosts files, I've settled on Andy Short's one for the time being as it seems to work well and, although big, isn't 17.2 MB. It can be found at;

https://hostsfile.mine.nu/

Andy also provides some helpful information on his page about hosts files and how to install the one he provides in different operating systems (Windows XP doesn't like big hosts files, for example, but he provides a workaround for that).

ITSMERSH · #17 Post by **ITSMERSH** » Thu 25 Oct 2018, 18:29

Wow!

Lots of replys!

Thanks for all that information!

mikeb · #18 Post by **mikeb** » Fri 26 Oct 2018, 12:31

The space required for true hibernate has NOTHING to do with the OS being run.
It is just a dump of the memory to disk and depends on how much memory is installed NOT the OS.

Never said it did...the simple point was the large amount of space gobbled up by 'modern' windows.
Hibernate is a clunky workaround for a grossly bloated operating system...i dont see puppy needing it and my XP boots in 20 seconds from off on a pentium 3 which seems comparable to opening up from hibernate on a quad core item.

The topic suggests that web pages run faster with less data to handle.... I believe that is a general rule for computing devices. Large files are created from somewhere...large amounts of ram have to be filled from somewhere, bloated webpages have to transfer data from somewhere etc.... all takes time and all that data has to be handled...more data = more processing.if that data is superfluous to the task in hand its a hindrance.

Take a Porsche and fill its boot/trunk with concrete and it tends a bit less sporty.

Ah analogy joy

mike

Galbi · #19 Post by **Galbi** » Fri 26 Oct 2018, 13:25

Thanks to this script:
https://host-flash.com/
my hosts file now weights 41.5 MiB,

despite that, everything seems to run fine.

Saludos.

Burn_IT · #20 Post by **Burn_IT** » Fri 26 Oct 2018, 14:05

Mike
Can you actually create a post without pouring shit over Windows?? or is it an obsession with you??

mikeb · #21 Post by **mikeb** » Fri 26 Oct 2018, 15:46

No obsession with any particular company... google are more the villains here it seems through excessively heavy web pages. They also make one humongous web browser to help force the internet their way.
I just commented on something I had noticed while posting. Ubuntu is not exactly lightweight is it either. I just see a general malaise involving code and data overload akin to the gas guzzlers of the 70s.

If microsoft evolve a decent product to the point of bloat lunacy its hardly just my beef. If you note I use wndows more than anything but for me it light, fast and virus free and usually XP or 2000. NT is a good operating system though much of that credit goes to DEC.

As for these companies policies, again others have much to say on the subject...I am only concerned with anything that interferes with peoples ability to have access to the internet and use of computer technology.
If smart phones are now dominating the publics connection to the net for example then perhaps the development and control of the PC environment may have played at least a small part in that move which to me loses much of the creative world that the PC can offer.

I do hate Tescos though.

Anyway this has been a productive thread in my eyes and do not let my emotional upsurges and odd comments from distracting you or anyone else from the benefits that may ensue. I do not intend to start arguments or flame wars.

mike

Colonel Panic · #22 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Sat 27 Oct 2018, 11:04

Galbi wrote:Thanks to this script:
https://host-flash.com/
my hosts file now weights 41.5 MiB,
despite that, everything seems to run fine.

Saludos.

I've noticed that my hosts file in AntiX is about 5.2 MB, which makes me wonder if AntiX autoruns a script like that. When I ran the script myself in a different distro I ended up with a hosts file of 17 MB - almost exactly the same size as the one I got from the HP Hosts site (maybe they use this script themselves?).

This thread has certainly been an eye-opener for me though; that such a simple change can make such a radical difference to my browsing speed and quality. I wish I'd known about it before.

mikeslr · #23 Post by **mikeslr** » Sat 27 Oct 2018, 12:32

Colonel Panic wrote: This thread has certainly been an eye-opener for me though; that such a simple change can make such a radical difference to my browsing speed and quality. I wish I'd known about it before.

ditto.

Someone should start a thread and provide a link to the start of the Hosts discussion. But, I haven't had a cup of coffee yet, so can't make a decision on which category would be best: Beginners, Security, Browsers and Internet? Somewhere else?

TyroBGinner · #24 Post by **TyroBGinner** » Mon 29 Oct 2018, 10:47

How is it possible to load WinXP in twenty seconds on a Pentium 3? I found it to take aabout 150 seconds, if memory serves.

Colonel Panic · #25 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Mon 29 Oct 2018, 14:48

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mikeslr wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote: This thread has certainly been an eye-opener for me though; that such a simple change can make such a radical difference to my browsing speed and quality. I wish I'd known about it before.
ditto.

Someone should start a thread and provide a link to the start of the Hosts discussion. But, I haven't had a cup of coffee yet, so can't make a decision on which category would be best: Beginners, Security, Browsers and Internet? Somewhere else?

This thread contains a message of the Puppy Advert Blocker, which I believe edits the hosts file as you go to stop unwanted ads;

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112968&

8Geee · #26 Post by **8Geee** » Mon 29 Oct 2018, 17:14

mikeb:

Take the smart out of the phone, and use as a phone. This is a phone.
Bring a small laptop/netbook. This is a computer.

Do not mix the two.

There are still a few phone/text plans around between 5 and 10cents a minute. Personally, I'm using a 5c/minute one 2000 minutes of phone for US$100 good for a year.

Regards
8Geee

mikeb · #27 Post by **mikeb** » Mon 29 Oct 2018, 20:16

Hmm 3 here do 3p a minute, 2p text and 1p data which is good for whatapps.

Hmm yep PC for pc, the exception is browsing which since it has become so google orientated a smart phone (or preferably tablet) often suceeds now where pcs fail and the pages are lighter. (try spoofing as a smart phone)
Oh also makes a great marine plotter.. And entertainment...hmmm

Well a 1GHz pentium 3 with 512mb ram and newer hard drive and decent vid card...and remove all the crud and keep it that way...and yes such speeds are possible.

Saying that NT4 manages under ten and a near instant shutdown and the no insecurities to fix.

Ok topic gone down plug hole....

mike

Smithy · #28 Post by **Smithy** » Mon 29 Oct 2018, 20:54

I've got some Vim under the sink, but use it sparingly these days, is NT4 Win 2000? That was seriously nice... 10 secs..= good.

rufwoof · #29 Post by **rufwoof** » Mon 29 Oct 2018, 21:29

mikeb wrote:(try spoofing as a smart phone)

console/terminal can be OK. Run tmux and attach/detach from any device that supports ssh (if more than one of you ssh into the same userid and attach to the same session then you both get to see/control the session (collaboration). Detach from one device, log back in again from another and the same session is still there/running. cli/mc/tmux and some easy to write/create dialogs and cli can be quite nice - at least a consistent look and feel across multiple devices. And the site you ssh into is the one that's recorded as having originated the traffic.

tmux with mc (that also includes the mc -e editor that is a lot easier than vi) is a great combination IMO.

Can't take a snapshot of my actual console (OpenBSD doesn't permit that security hole), but looks similar to this xterm based snap, where the tmux window has been split into two vertically (in that control key + z to zoom in/out). More usually however I don't use panes, and instead use separate windows with each program maximised in each window, where I've set F12 to step between windows (F11 adds another new window). Left window shows my diary dialog, right window is running lynx web browser. That looks/feels much the same whether I'm running it locally or from across remote/ssh.

Mounting a remote sshfs seems to work well IME i.e. mount a music folder as a local mount point and playing music over ssh is OK (mostly). In X you can use the likes of rox to copy to/from that ... as though it were any other folder. cmus if you're using just terminal/console is very good - really quick (mpv will also run from cli). alpine for mail, pdftk for joining/splitting pdf's, youtube-dl for downloading youtubes, lynx or w3m for web browser ... and cli can be a reasonably OK place to be. And once you've set up the ssh server its the same look and feel from whether you ssh in from a £10 low powered pocket device or from your high end/powered desktop system.

For the rest use a smartphone or desktop with chromium or whatever.

rufwoof · #30 Post by **rufwoof** » Mon 29 Oct 2018, 21:46

Puppy has become somewhat bloated. Base OpenBSD can be installed in less than 500MB I believe - and that's uncompressed, and includes extensive documentation (full man pages, errors in which are considered as bugs). Nice having documentation that aligns exactly to what's installed. Base OpenBSD comes with X and a httpd server (I prefer the cwm window manager). Takes around 5 minutes to install. Nowadays I only install chromium and mc on top of that, and where as of the latest release chromium is very tightly restricted in both what memory and disk it can access, as good as sandboxed whilst running natively.

I use chromium for most things, as being pledged and unveiled (security controls) anything it runs also falls under than umbrella. So it serves as my pdf viewer/creator, mp4 player ...etc. I've pretty much given up on google docs (and LibreOffice), for word processing I just bash in the text using a text editor (mc -e), spell check using chromium, insert a few html insert files (header, footer ...etc.) and layout that html file as desired ... and print it to pdf using chromium.

I set my main/home chromium tab to show date/time in the tab title and that tabs content is all my bookmarks (I don't use the browsers bookmark option). Bootup boots to X loaded with chromium maximised ... so in effect my X desktop. I also have some html/javascript files that serve as a calculator and text editor (handy for mouse selecting cut/pasting). I run X as user, root cli ... with all data/docs stored under root so isolated from the web browser and insecurities of X. Between that and ctrl-alt-F1/ctrl-alf-F5 flipping btween cli/tmux/mc (and ssh) and X, and my general needs are served. For anything else I tend to just install via pkg_add (similar to PPM/apt-get/gslapt) - use and then pkg_delete it on a as-and-when-needed basis.

mikeb · #31 Post by **mikeb** » Tue 30 Oct 2018, 15:43

Hmm A tablet just for wifi browsing seemed the way and keep the pc for everything else.....we shall see. I have got min running on a updated lucid which is basically just the chrome renderer and not much else. Good for html5 vids too.

NT4 Win 2000?

No NT4 preceeded 2000...it did not have the integrated IE so zero internet security issues ..it can run older opera and and a surprising amount of other software... . 2000 and XP are very similar, much of the difference is the interface though IE is easier to deintegrate with 2000. Its my default windows on the pentium 3 .

Nice one with the new hosts file thread.

mike

ITSMERSH · #32 Post by **ITSMERSH** » Sun 04 Nov 2018, 18:16

Does this mean, I'm now also adopted to google drive?

How would I access this to upload files?

Mike Walsh · #33 Post by **Mike Walsh** » Sun 18 Nov 2018, 19:42

uBlock Origin works for me. Cuts down on 99% of the crap that slows down yr browsing experience. Funny thing is that although I like using Google's Drive, they get in a real snit over my use of uBlock on any of their related sites. VERY comical..!

I've used Chrome ever since version 1, in Sept. 2008. And I've watched it get gradually slower & slower, and Google get correspondingly nosier & nosier, as the years have wafted past. A real shame, 'cos it was the breakneck speed that attracted me to it in the first place. I'd left Internet Exploder behind 2 or 3 years before, and migrated to Firefox.....but at the time Chrome was released, it was in a regular rut of daily crashes, and horrendous memory leaks, etc. Chrome, by comparison, looked pretty good.

At least my main box, despite being 13 yrs old next February, is still powerful enough to handle the normal, day-to-day cut & thrust of the modern web. For now, anyway.....and while I stick with Puppy, that is. MyCrudSoft left my box behind years ago in term of processing ability. A 64 GB SSD on the old P4-powered Dell lappie runs 3 or 4 Pups, with plenty of room left over for daily data usage, saving/downloading, etc. The big old Compaq desktop does run a 500 GB main drive, but that has around a dozen Pups, plus main data stores, and a shed-load of remotely sym-linked, 'common apps', config files, etc, etc. (And still has a fair bit of unallocated space..!) And a 3 TB external USB desktop drive is 2/3 full of movies, music, and images....but that is exclusively my 'personal' data, and gets unplugged every night.

I've heard folks comment that a 500 GB drive is 'uncomfortably tight' to run Windoze 10 on, and that a 'minimum' 1 TB drive is preferable. Not being funny, but what the f**k does Windoze do with all that frickin' space?

Another of the many Mikes.

Colonel Panic · #34 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Sun 18 Nov 2018, 20:11

Mike Walsh wrote:uBlock Origin works for me. Cuts down on 99% of the crap that slows down yr browsing experience. Funny thing is that although I like using Google's Drive, they get in a real snit over my use of uBlock on any of their related sites. VERY comical..!

I've used Chrome ever since version 1, in Sept. 2008. And I've watched it get gradually slower & slower, and Google get correspondingly nosier & nosier, as the years have wafted past. A real shame, 'cos it was the breakneck speed that attracted me to it in the first place. I'd left Internet Exploder behind 2 or 3 years before, and migrated to Firefox.....but at the time Chrome was released, it was in a regular rut of daily crashes, and horrendous memory leaks, etc. Chrome, by comparison, looked pretty good.

At least my main box, despite being 13 yrs old next February, is still powerful enough to handle the normal, day-to-day cut & thrust of the modern web. For now, anyway.....and while I stick with Puppy, that is. MyCrudSoft left my box behind years ago in term of processing ability. A 64 GB SSD on the old P4-powered Dell lappie runs 3 or 4 Pups, with plenty of room left over for daily data usage, saving/downloading, etc. The big old Compaq desktop does run a 500 GB main drive, but that has around a dozen Pups, plus main data stores, and a shed-load of remotely sym-linked, 'common apps', config files, etc, etc. (And still has a fair bit of unallocated space..!) And a 3 TB external USB desktop drive is 2/3 full of movies, music, and images....but that is exclusively my 'personal' data, and gets unplugged every night.

I've heard folks comment that a 500 GB drive is 'uncomfortably tight' to run Windoze 10 on, and that a 'minimum' 1 TB drive is preferable. Not being funny, but what the f**k does Windoze do with all that frickin' space?

Another of the many Mikes.

Thanks Mike, I'm giving UBlock Origin a try now. I've found a snag with hosts files; sometimes they shut me out of a site I want to visit and for no obvious reason (though 95% of the time they work fine).

P.S. LOL on Internet Exploder (and MyCrudSolt too)! My local computer centre has Windows 10 on its machines and sometimes you have to wait for ages while the machine downloads and then installs updates when booting up (all without asking you first).

mikeb · #35 Post by **mikeb** » Mon 19 Nov 2018, 12:18

I've heard folks comment that a 500 GB drive is 'uncomfortably tight' to run Windoze 10 on, and that a 'minimum' 1 TB drive is preferable. Not being funny, but what the f**k does Windoze do with all that frickin' space?

My thoughts exactly.... slow you down usually .
I suspect it simply forces hardware updates as it still the same NT underneath that XP and older ran on. Not to mention heavy updates push for more expensive internet contracts. We are part of the product not the customer as the saying goes.

Now about those megs of bandwidth going TO servers when you say login to a site which only actually requires around 50Bytes of data.

Mike

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