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FrugalPup 20 - Puppy frugal installer.
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gyro

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Mar 2020, 01:39    Post subject:  
FrugalPup 20, DiskPup 20, StickPup 20 and f2StickPup 20 - Puppy frugal installer.

Download extra sfs 'frugalpup_20.sfs' from http://www.mediafire.com/folder/rdyc5lgzpeij1/frugalpup (2.9 MiB).

This release contains a feature and a bug-fix.

Feature:
If Puppy install directory is on an 'f2fs' partition, pupmode=12 will be used rather than pupmode=13.
'bootentry' always uses "pmedia=???hd" for 'f2fs' partitions.

Bug:
'f2StickPup' frequently fails to format 'f2fs' partition, fixed.

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Apr 2020, 19:19    Post subject:  
Tested out stickpup and f2stickpup and both seem to work fine in a dev version of slacko I built.

At first they wouldn't boot so I tried to do a debugsave and kept getting errors which was a bit perplexing. It turns out that there is a bug in that script that fails to save the variable $mount_point so the files were copied to '/' which I manually copied over to a drive. That allowed me to debug my issue.. simply unplugging my powered usb hdd fixed that, but I dare say wait4usb needs some attention as I could proceed with boot to functional desktop running ./init manually.

I fixed the debugsave file in woof. See commit 01bae0f so an indirect thanks must go to you for that fix! Thanks Razz
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PostPosted: Sun 12 Apr 2020, 09:59    Post subject:  
01micko wrote:
Tested out stickpup and f2stickpup and both seem to work fine in a dev version of slacko I built.

At first they wouldn't boot so I tried to do a debugsave and kept getting errors which was a bit perplexing. It turns out that there is a bug in that script that fails to save the variable $mount_point so the files were copied to '/' which I manually copied over to a drive. That allowed me to debug my issue.. simply unplugging my powered usb hdd fixed that, but I dare say wait4usb needs some attention as I could proceed with boot to functional desktop running ./init manually.

I fixed the debugsave file in woof. See commit 01bae0f so an indirect thanks must go to you for that fix! Thanks Razz

You're welcome.
Thanks for testing.

Actually I should thank you for FrugalPup.
It was as I was playing with your 'install2usb' that I conceived 'FrugalPup'.

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Apr 2020, 09:40    Post subject: Help pages now on web.  
I have uploaded "FrugalPup" help pages to http://www.fishprogs.software/puppy/frugalpup/index.html.
"MOK manager" help page can be viewed at http://www.fishprogs.software/puppy/frugalpup/frugalpup-mok.html.

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Apr 2020, 17:07    Post subject: Re: Help pages now on web.  
gyro wrote:
I have uploaded "FrugalPup" help pages to http://www.fishprogs.software/puppy/frugalpup/index.html.
"MOK manager" help page can be viewed at http://www.fishprogs.software/puppy/frugalpup/frugalpup-mok.html.

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I created a wikka entry for FrugalPup with a very brief explanation and links to your index page and the first page of this thread. Let me know if want anything in that wikka page changed.
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PostPosted: Tue 14 Apr 2020, 09:01    Post subject: Re: Help pages now on web.  
01micko wrote:
I created a wikka entry for FrugalPup with a very brief explanation and links to your index page and the first page of this thread. Let me know if want anything in that wikka page changed.
I can live with it.
But I was initially confused by apparent links to the various utilities, e.g. "StickPup", before I found the useful links towards the bottom of the entry.

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Apr 2020, 22:03    Post subject:  
gyro,

Several of us have been converting Chromebooks to Puppy only laptops.
Having to replace the Chromebooks firmware(bios) with a full replacement firmware(bios) that will only boot UEFI boot loaders.

We have been using Frugalpup Installer to get a working UEFI boot loader installed.

If you want to see what we did.
Checkout the last few pages of this topic.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=108246
How to use and put Puppy on a Chromebook.
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Apr 2020, 00:46    Post subject:  
bigpup,
Glad you find it userful.
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PostPosted: Fri 22 May 2020, 07:47    Post subject:  
gyro,

We have been helping this person setup a boot-able Puppy Linux USB stick that can run the needed Linux programs.

Quote:
I am part of a team (20 people as I write -the test/sample bunch- but will become larger if I am successful) of engineers dealing with commissioning and service various systems in the maritime industry. Our company (a big one) manufactures and deilvers all sorts of marine equipment: propulsion, prime movers, generators, switchboards, towing systems, steering machinery, etc. etc.

Together with that kind of hardware we also deliver their relative control systems, nowadays tipically networks of controllers.

The company gives us laptops (state of the art ones actually) as a part of our tools and paraphernalia. On these computre we quite a chunk of SW (proprietary and not) developed originally in Windows environments.

Beside the dedicated SW tools to deal with our "actual" job (we are field engineers after all) we also have the bureucratic crap that the company considers mandatory (backoffice stuff, all rigorously windows based... no sh**t!!). And since nowadays everybody is paranoid, all our laptops HDs are ecnrypted and we are not allowed to have a separate partition with, say... linux for instance.

As it comes, all our new generations of controllers are running on linux (no sh**t... again...), so we found ourselves in a bit of a quandary


I told him about Frugalpup Installer, to make a boot-able USB stick, to run on their UEFI Windows 10 laptops.

You can read about the progress here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1058579#1058579

He is using Bionicpup64 8.0 and had to deal with the Frugalpup v11 to v20 issue.
Seemed to have trouble with your work around procedure.
But did get it, by making a pet of Frugalpup v20 and installing it.

Can you believe this.
A major maritime co, using Puppy Linux to work on their systems! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 28 May 2020, 21:39    Post subject:  
@bigpup,
Very encouraging.

It looks like FrugalPup v20 is now included in the bionicpup64 updates.

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2020, 06:40    Post subject:  
Hello gyro

I've done some good testing on frugalpup and f2stickpup and it has never let me down on various systems, including my dell laptop with secure boot enabled and my main desktop which is linux only and multi-boot but GPT formatted.

If I may, I would like to make a suggestion concerning f2stickpup and multiboot support. What if by default, or as an option, the 'puppy' files were installed 2 dirs deep? Without much modification, I'm sure then the 'boot' facility could easily detect whatever pups are installed and modify the appropriate boot files accordingly.

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2020, 11:03    Post subject:  
01micko wrote:
If I may, I would like to make a suggestion concerning f2stickpup and multiboot support. What if by default, or as an option, the 'puppy' files were installed 2 dirs deep? Without much modification, I'm sure then the 'boot' facility could easily detect whatever pups are installed and modify the appropriate boot files accordingly.
Sorry, I'm not sure that I understand exactly what you are getting at.
But I think my short answer is "FrugalPup" can already do what you are requesting. "f2StickPup" was never meant to be that complicated.

"f2StickPup" is meant to install a single Puppy with a minimum of questions, so it doesn't even consider multiboot.
Of course you can add extra Puppy install directories later using the "Puppy" facility of "FrugalPup", and then use the "Boot" facility of "FrugslPup" to create a new multiboot "grub.cfg".

My concept is that "FrugalPup" itself is the all-singing all-dancing utility to handle multiboot frugal installs, stored anywhere.
That is why, in the "Boot" facility you get to choose the directory to search for Puppies, if you choose the install directory of a single Puppy then it produces a single boot "grub.cfg", if you choose the parent directory that contains several Puppy install directories, then it produces a multiboot "grub.cfg".

"StickPup", "f2StickPup" and "DiskPup", are all very simple-midned single Puppy installers, if you want something more complicated, use "FrugalPup" itself.

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2020, 16:47    Post subject:  
I use Frugalpup to put multiple Puppy versions on an internal emmc drive, USB stick, or hard drive.

When asked. I make a directory for install being done.

At this window you can make all the directories you want.
It auto switches to the one you just made.

Example:
When I got to this window.
I started at sdb2.
I made puppy directory.
It auto switched to that.
I made bionicpup6480 directory.
It auto switched to that.
In this window you can select any directory to install in before clicking OK.

I have made the mistake of not making a directory named for the Puppy version, before clicking OK.


After I do an install.
I do a new install of the boot loader and it updates the grub menu with what is newly installed.
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jul 2020, 16:36    Post subject:  
@01micko,

Actually the easiest way to do what I think you are asking for is to use "gparted" to format the usb stick, and then use "DiskPup" to install Puppy.
"DiskPup" includes a dialog to select/create the directory that will contain Puppy.

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jul 2020, 16:44    Post subject:  
bigpup wrote:
I have made the mistake of not making a directory named for the Puppy version, before clicking OK.
That's why "FrugalPup" utilites have a "confirm" dialog, just before they start doing anything.
So you can "Cancel" out, if what it says it's going to do, does not look right.

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