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bigpup


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PostPosted: Wed 15 May 2019, 02:44    Post subject:  

Tell us what you did.
It may help others.

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PostPosted: Thu 16 May 2019, 03:05    Post subject: unable to run this pup  

I haven't read all 61 pages of the thread, so maybe this has already cropped up, but I've got big problems with this release on my usual machine.

First off, the boot is extraordinarily slow - it takes about 6-8 minutes to get from grub to a fully loaded desktop; It "pauses" at loading kernel modules and then again trying to run X for minutes each.

The fan runs at full speed at all times, and not surprisingly as udevd seems to grab the processor(s) and hang on like grim death - see attached screenshot.

Note that this machine can run Tahr and Xenial in both 32 & 64 bit variants with no problems, and Bionic in 32 bit is fine too.

Hardware:

Dell Inspiron 1545
4GB
Intel Core2 Duo CPU T6400 @ 2.00GHz
Display: Mesa DRI Mobile Intel GM45 Express Chipset x86/MMX/SSE2
Wireless: Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) ( Kernel Driver: b43-pci-bridge)
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So, basically this is unusable for me at the moment, and I really need a late Ubu Puppy in 64bit for some stuff I'm doing at the moment
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PostPosted: Thu 16 May 2019, 09:22    Post subject:  

I would start by doing a fresh clean new download of the Bionicpup64 8.0 iso.
Make sure you do not download to a fragmented file system. ntfs, fat32 that has not been De-fragged.

A fresh new install to a fresh newly formatted partition on the install device.

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PostPosted: Thu 16 May 2019, 15:59    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
I would start by doing a fresh clean new download of the Bionicpup64 8.0 iso.
Make sure you do not download to a fragmented file system. ntfs, fat32 that has not been De-fragged.

A fresh new install to a fresh newly formatted partition on the install device.


"Scorched earth" is a poor first step in resolving an issue that prima facie is an operating system problem. It kind of belongs to the 1980s (when disks often really did go bad in curious ways), and anyway doesn't address the possibility that other systems may exist already on the target hardware (which, in this case, they do).

Fortunately, rather than rushing in where fools fear to tread, I sat and thought a bit more about what to do, and instead booted the damn thing up again.

Then I looked at the system logs to see what they might reveal, and once I'd seen them, installed (from the same .iso) Bionic64 on a different machine.

The logs told me that there is a failure to find a suitable driver for the Broadcom 43x wireless card in the Dell, and that suggested a good further test would be to run it up on a machine with a different wireless card; and indeed, it booted perfectly.

So, the issue here is really that there's a very ungraceful handling of a problem with a driver module; Now all I have to do is track down a suitable B43x driver and I should be able to proceed.

No formatting, no reformattiing, no repartitioning, no concerns about NTFS or FAT, or fragmentation or other red herrings Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri 17 May 2019, 11:57    Post subject:  

Think what you want.
But I have seen many problems like you describe, fixed by a new clean install.

I find it hard to believe, that a wireless device driver, is the problem, just getting a good boot.

Explain why I get a normal fast boot when there is no driver for a specific wireless device.
The device just does not get detected.
The boot up is still normal.

If the same exact install of Bionicpup64 8.0, booted on another device, with no problem.
Sure, the install is probably not bad.

So, something is wrong with the bad computer reading what is in the Bionicpup64 install.

Is this on a CD/DVD?
A USB flash drive?

CD/DVD drives can have all kinds of problems reading disks.

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westwest

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PostPosted: Fri 17 May 2019, 15:39    Post subject: keyboard woes  

I've been trying to fix the keyboard and mouse settings issue in BionicPup64,
where those settings in the Wizard are periodically lost.
Having similar problems with other pups (xslackoslim notably), usually irremediable.

But after much fiddling around, installing xserver-xorg drivers for keyboard and mouse from the PPM and playing with xorg.conf,
I ended up plopping in the xorg.conf file from StretchPup in BionicPup64.

All is now well, keyboard and mouse settings stick accross reboots, and in between also.
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PostPosted: Fri 17 May 2019, 16:33    Post subject:  

What is different between the two xorg.conf files?
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PostPosted: Sat 18 May 2019, 05:58    Post subject: xorg  

That falls beyond the scope of my modest expertise.
I could not modify the original xorg.conf to properly load the new drivers,
which i only installed following Phil's advice.

One other issue is bluetooth, i don't know if it got solved.
There was a two minute lag at boot that i fixed by disabling bluetooth in the bios.
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trlkly

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PostPosted: Sun 19 May 2019, 04:51    Post subject:  

Am I not seeing something, or is the Puppy Font Manager not in the menus? I was able to open it by terminal (once I looked up the name), but I couldn't find it in the menu anywhere.

I find it quite useful. I can bump up the font DPI to 120, which is much better on my monitor.

I could have sworn it was always in under the same menu item as the Font Viewer, which is under Desktop. Those two kinda go together: you can install fonts with the Font Manager, and then view them in the Font Viewer.

I think it would be good to add the Font Manager into the menus, since it is installed. (Yes, I know how to do it myself, but I mean on the official release.)

Apologies if this has already been asked: I didn't see a way to search the thread.
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fishmanluvslinux


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PostPosted: Mon 20 May 2019, 01:25    Post subject: My BionicPup64  

Here is my desktop thus far as I experiment. Thumbs up to PeeBee & Co.
I love green so this is what I have.

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PostPosted: Mon 20 May 2019, 02:02    Post subject:  

The font manager is in the JWMDesk Manager
menu>Desktop>JWMDesk Manager>Screen Font

The font viewer has access in the font manager (view installed fonts button) or menu>Desktop>

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PostPosted: Mon 20 May 2019, 04:17    Post subject:  

I've made a Zombieload mitigated 4.19.44 kernel for Bionicpup64.
See: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1028623#1028623
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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Mon 20 May 2019, 06:30    Post subject:  

@ fishmanluvslinux:-

A word of advice to the less knowledgeable.

Please don't post such wide, high-resolution images in future. For those of us viewing the forum on older, lower-resolution monitors, it means lots of sideways scrolling simply to view the item. On top of which, it then distorts the rest of that particular page to the same degree, so that sideways scrolling becomes necessary just to be able to read any of the messages on that page.....

It's not necessary to show everybody your desktop in all its enormous, full-size glory! Rolling Eyes Smile

Could you limit the width of future images to around 650-700 px wide, please? Thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue 21 May 2019, 08:51    Post subject: jwm buttons themes customised «BuntuMac»  

Hi,
and again thanks to 666philb for this BionicPup64 8
Attached a pet to get an extra jwm buttons theme called "BuntuMac"; made on this distro. (only have coloured the grey buttons.)
Enjoy
ps: did not find which jwms thread to place this post as there are so many now; so I leave it here.
Enjoy and Best regards
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PostPosted: Tue 21 May 2019, 15:03    Post subject:  

Hi paulh177,

paulh177 wrote:
...Now all I have to do is track down a suitable B43x driver and I should be able to proceed.


Here got also no wireless connection due to B43 driver missing (here running BionicPup64 8 on an HP2530p laptop).
I meanwhile could connect to ethernet via a cable; and aftrwds got the wireless connection after having installed the «broadcom_sta-6.30.223.271_k4.19.23_amd.pet» wl drivers pet suggested in the Quickpet/Driver section (click on the Quickpet Desktop icon ). It worked here OOTB =-) !
I also added «intel_iommu=off» to the kernel boot parameters as explained here by forum member 666philb: (just follow the many links given by the authors!)
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=972799&sid=0d07d88f92daedbf00aa925823786991#972799
and here
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=972804&sid=0d07d88f92daedbf00aa925823786991#972804

menu.lst syntax should look like (here example for xenialpup64 frugal session on hd0,3)

Code:
title Puppy Linux XENIALPUP64_7.0.8.6 frugal in sda4 dir xen64
  root (hd0,3)
  kernel /xen64/vmlinuz psubdir=xen64 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck intel_iommu=off
  initrd /xen64/initrd.gz


HTH
Charlie

last edited:
1. after testing, intel_iommu=off addition is not necessary;
2. after bootup, it takes a long time to get wifi connected; I have to click on the network tray icon to open the SNS dialog bow, and click again on the «Connect Now» button to get the wifi connection; hopefully, no need for new WPA code entering.
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