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belham2

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2018, 13:30    Post subject:  

[Update 3]

Well, it gets even weirder.

Downloaded (using the working Firefox, installed from PPM, running in Spot) the latest Palemoon, 28.2.1

Used pArchive to get at it.

Then went to /opt (where Palemoon that comes with 7.9.7) is located.

Deleted everything in the Palemoon /opt folder.

Copied everything over from the downloaded 28.2.1 into /opt


And wouldn't you know, Bob is your Uncle, now Palemoon and permissions and downloads are working correctly. Was it the fact that the included Palemoon in the 7.9.7 ISO was not working correctly? I find that hard to believe. Maybe I got a bad download....but the md5 checked out.

Will keep at Chromium to see if I can get it going.



[Update 4]

Got Chromium working in Spot now, did the same thing to it as I did to Palemoon (download, wipe its content folder, and copy everything over). This all leads me to think I got a partially scrambled download on my end of the ISO.

Only thing now is cannot get Palemoon nor Firefox (despite linking everything in /usr/lib64/apulse folder to the usr/lib64//firefox folder), can't get either one of them to play sound. But Chromium does, so, goodbye to Palemoon and Firefox.
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TTFOSS

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2018, 20:58    Post subject: Problem Starting X as non-root user BionicPup64_7.9.7
Subject description: X fails when run as a non-root user
 

@666PhilB

BionicPup64 7.9.7 iso file.

I have no problem creating a non-root user, setting up permissions and logging in as that user.

xwin always failed with permission errors so I only ever used it as root.


When I try to start X using
/usr/bin/xinit $HOME/.xinitrc -- -br -nolisten tcp
or
/usr/lib/xorg/Xorg :0 -br -nolisten tcp

I get the following error messages in the log/screen

modeset(0): drmSetMaster failed: permission denied

Fatal server error: (EE) AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0

It is a common error according to
x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages

"This kind of problem typically occurs when you're using a big monitor with an old graphics card. You can solve it by deleting some of the highest resolutions of the deepest colour mode in the Screen section of your xorg.conf, or even the whole last Display subsection"

I tried many different combinations using xorgwizard with no improvement.
BTW the display using xorgwizard looks bad (distorted).

Have tried to set chmod 4755 on X and xinit with no luck.
As a non-root user the command "sudo xinit ..." will start X but as user root.

I am not sure the above information is helpful or indicative of the real problem.


I am trying to test the BionicPup64 7.9.7 iso on a 64bit Win-dozer-7 system using VirtualBox 5.2.22 (latest version and yes I should be using Linux but that machine is a long story that need not be discussed on this forum).

In previous Puppy-derived systems running X as a non-root user was simply a matter of modifying the inittab file (to remove the auto-login), opening up some permissions in the /dev directory and starting X with a one line script (calling xinit).

This time around I am having a tough time figuring out the permissions to hack the system.

I had similar display problems with QuirkyBionicBeaver64 8.7.1

It would be great if you could help solve this problem.
I am certainly willing to test any solution that you can get to work.


If I am not able to run X as a non-root user then I will keep looking for another system.

I have no problems running X with either FatDog64 7.2.1 or AntiX64 17.2 Full as a non-root user on the test machine.


Thanks
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Revolverve


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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2018, 12:42    Post subject:  

About .7 mount/unmount empty rox thing, refresh(reload) rox and everything show up .

Unrelated question out of simple curiosity:
If the answer is obvious...probably will bump in blank reply..could have ask it on fatdog or upupbb/cc topics:
startx and xwin use to gave same result??
in tahrpup it did!
Why asking? learning...
how come?
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace goes to prompt,
if:startx= goes to x + exit/restart graphical server goes to prompt.
if:xwin= goes to x + exit/restart graphical server goes to x.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2018, 12:44    Post subject:  

I can confirm LateAdopter's observation of abnormal behavior
when mounting and unmounting partitions. I did a "from scratch" frugal of 7.9.7

It seems that when you click on a desktop drive icon.
Rox seems to open and is not a fresh display of the drive.
Seems to be same view from last time the icon was clicked on.

If you have Rox window displaying drive contents.
Click on drive icon to unmount.
Rox window goes blank, but does not close.
Close Rox window.
Click on drive icon to mount it.
Rox opens with a blank window.
Click on the Rox window refresh and it now shows drive contents.

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2018, 15:21    Post subject:  

bigpup and LateAdopter,

i've also noticed some oddness with rox, where clicks aren't registered.
does this older rox fix it for you? (note root warning hasn't been removed)
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/test/bionicpup/rox_old.pet

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woodenshoe-wi

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2018, 16:47    Post subject: ROX-filer  

The problem with mounting drives looks like what radky2 reported here: https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/issues/1240#issuecomment-441514667

666philb wrote:
i've also noticed some oddness with rox, where clicks aren't registered.


Does this happen in a way you can easily reproduce or does it happen intermittently/randomly?
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artsown

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2018, 17:18    Post subject:  

@666philb
So far so good using the rox_old.pet to eliminate the blank page bug
when viewing partition contents. I'll keep using 7.9.7 daily and report
here if the bug recurs (it was intermittent).

Edit: Unfortunately it didn't take long to misbehave again Sad

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ITSMERSH

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2018, 18:33    Post subject: Re: ROX-filer  

woodenshoe-wi wrote:
The problem with mounting drives looks like what radky2 reported here: https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/issues/1240#issuecomment-441514667

666philb wrote:
i've also noticed some oddness with rox, where clicks aren't registered.


Does this happen in a way you can easily reproduce or does it happen intermittently/randomly?

I made similar experiences when trying to open a partition by drive icon on the desktop.

But I suspected it being caused by my new but very ugly cheap mouse.

On the other hand, I like the new Rox filer definitely, so it's worth to sort out and fix the bug (if it is any), to have this version of Rox filer default in next Puppies.

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2018, 19:41    Post subject:  

There could be two different problems being discussed here.

The problem with mounting partitions should now be, or is being fixed in woof-CE.

The problem "where clicks aren't registered" might be something I just noticed now that when using small icons there is a gap between the icon and name where clicking has no effect. I see the same problem with the rox_old.pet but the latest jun7 version doesn't seem to have the problem and does have the copy/paste functionality.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2018, 20:41    Post subject:  

Gimp sucks for a simple graphics image editor.
Bring back Mtpaint!!

Look at what Gimp gives you for file type options to save as.....
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2018, 21:32    Post subject:  

woodenshoe-wi wrote:
There could be two different problems being discussed here.

The problem with mounting partitions should now be, or is being fixed in woof-CE.

The problem "where clicks aren't registered" might be something I just noticed now that when using small icons there is a gap between the icon and name where clicking has no effect. I see the same problem with the rox_old.pet but the latest jun7 version doesn't seem to have the problem and does have the copy/paste functionality.

Sorry for not being clear enough.

I was talking about clicking a drive icon of a drive which is already mounted, but it didn't open a window when clicking the icon. Noticed this in 7.9.6.

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2018, 21:55    Post subject:  

666philb wrote:
bigpup and LateAdopter,

i've also noticed some oddness with rox, where clicks aren't registered.
does this older rox fix it for you? (note root warning hasn't been removed)
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/test/bionicpup/rox_old.pet

Seems to have no affect on issue.

How can I tell if I am actually now using this Rox and not the original?

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2018, 22:43    Post subject:  

Rox right-click menu has Extended attributes and Duplicate entries e.g.
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PostPosted: Sat 01 Dec 2018, 07:18    Post subject:  

Quote:
How can I tell if I am actually now using this Rox and not the original?

In PPM click on uninstall to see list of installed packages. I removed rox_old
and it apparently reverted back (??).

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Dec 2018, 18:28    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Gimp sucks for a simple graphics image editor.
Bring back Mtpaint!!

Look at what Gimp gives you for file type options to save as.....


hi bigpup,

in gimp you use the export option

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