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Personal Storage file - Out of space error <Solved>
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dcung

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Jul 2018, 23:06    Post subject:  

These screenshots from upupbb.
No complain about no space in PPM.
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Jul 2018, 23:42    Post subject:  

That image you posted of the Lxprecise save is showing it as an inode/directory not an actual directory.
Quote:
inode. The inode is a data structure in a Unix-style file system that describes a filesystem object such as a file or a directory. Each inode stores the attributes and disk block location(s) of the object's data.

Understand that Lxprecise is not a standard official Puppy it is a derivative of the official Precise Puppy.
I am not sure exactly how it is making a save, but it does not seem to be the normal Puppy way.
It may even have a bug in the save making process.

By your image showing it offering to let you make the save bigger.
Try making it bigger and see what happens.
May have to add to the size of the save several times.

If you are new to Puppy, you really need to start by using one of the official versions you can get from here:
http://puppylinux.com/

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul 2018, 10:26    Post subject:  

I ran into this problem a few years back, as I recall. The cause then was that the install process needed to find plenty of spare space available in /tmp.

Since puppy runs in RAM, this space is limited. So what I did was redirect /tmp for the install process:
Code:
mkdir /mnt/home/tmp
mount -o bind /tmp /mnt/home/tmp

What this does is redirect /tmp to a mount point on the physical HD you booted from instead of going to RAM.

Then after I'm done installing:
Code:
umount /mnt/home/tmp

Which reverts /tmp to it's normal condition.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul 2018, 17:57    Post subject:  

@ dcung:-

bigpup wrote:
By your image showing it offering to let you make the save bigger.
Try making it bigger and see what happens.
May have to add to the size of the save several times.


There is actually a 'quick & dirty' way round this. I discovered it almost by accident, over a year ago (quite possibly not the first to do so!), and detailed it here, for anyone else who, for whatever reason, might also wish to dispense with repeating the process several times.

Hope that perhaps helps.


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul 2018, 18:40    Post subject: Re: PrecisePup and Savefolder or Savefile?
Subject description: My Precises (from 2013) only have savefiles
 

davids45 wrote:


I'd advise you to set a 512MB savefile size with Precise for starters while you are getting familiar with Puppy.


Good advise. This is probably the way to success, precise was made with woof , not woof-CE.
Only pups made with woof-CE can do save folders.

bigpup wrote:
That image you posted of the Lxprecise save is showing it as an inode/directory not an actual directory.
Quote:
inode. The inode is a data structure in a Unix-style file system that describes a filesystem object such as a file or a directory. Each inode stores the attributes and disk block location(s) of the object's data.

Understand that Lxprecise is not a standard official Puppy it is a derivative of the official Precise Puppy.
I am not sure exactly how it is making a save, but it does not seem to be the normal Puppy way.
It may even have a bug in the save making process.


Good point. Go with the save file for precise.

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dcung

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul 2018, 21:02    Post subject:  

Thank you guys for all your inputs. Smile

I have done my research.
It is actually a known 'bug' that was found in 2013/2014. A few forum members collaborated to 'fix' it. But it was 'unofficial'. Quite a few postings about this issue - in the old Precise571 thread.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=87712

My interest to find a 'proper fix', is driven by my curiosity to explore and learn in the process. I have 'implemented' my workaround, ie. use savefile, but this is beside the point.

I know that LxPrecisePup1509 is based on Precise571 (which was old and not maintained anymore). But whoever that currently 'maintain' LxPrecisePup1509 maybe interested to know that their "Precise572" which was supposed to include solution to this issue, does not work or not incorporated properly.
I'm yet to find a good "LxPrecisePup1509 thread" to highlight this. Probably because, not much interest in savefolder for Precise, an outdated Pup.
And I happen to have a laptop that only outdated Puppy, like Precise (or its derivative) would run... Smile


This is probably the most relevant answer to the 'issue'.
perdido wrote:
precise was made with woof , not woof-CE.
Only pups made with woof-CE can do save folders.

From my very limited understanding of Puppy scripts under the hood, the issue revolve around mounting the savefolder.

I was going to confirm this also is 'reproduceable' and 'fixable' in Precise571.
To make "Precise572" I did try to apply the 'fix' found in the thread, ie. a delta file for Precise571 iso to make 'unofficial 572' . But when applied, got a checksum error. Resulting iso was smaller (120MB). Though I checked, both 571 iso and the delta iso checksum was as shown in the thread.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=87712&start=379
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=87712&start=381

Also put a link here on the thread, in case someone can help.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=87712&start=553


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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Jul 2018, 21:37    Post subject:  

I think the thread for LxPrecisePup1509 is actually here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=862384#862384

But as you say, the link here:
http://lx-pup.weebly.com/upup-precise.html

Mentions:
Quote:
Mavrothal provided enhancements to support save folders to form Precise Puppy 5.7.2

It looks like an early experiment from 2014-2015... but if you post in the LxPup thread maybe peebee will respond or maybe even upgrade the iso (not sure).
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jul 2018, 00:36    Post subject:  

Thanks, Sailor

I have posted there and put a link here.
Hopefully peebee can give clarification.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=89270&start=969
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jul 2018, 04:10    Post subject:  

Some versions of /usr/local/petget/pkg_chooser.sh did not collect free disk space info. Fixed by editing that file, by inserting following 3 lines of code at line 2 (after #!/bin/sh):

mf=`free | grep -o 'Mem: .*' | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 4 -d ' '`
sm=`expr $mf \/ 1024`
echo "$sm" > /tmp/pup_event_sizefreem

EDIT: Above checks free memory. Commentors below refer to that. To check disk space, first line should be:
mf=`df | grep -m 1 '/dev/' | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 4 -d ' '`

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jul 2018, 05:33    Post subject:  

G'day Ozsouth,

I put those lines. I suppose the lines somehow 'tricked' by putting values into variables that PPM expected.
The math is not correct though, not consistent even. That is, in fact, I have 8.9GB free space. And after inserting your lines of code, it showed 1256MB and 1263MB (two different numbers at two different PPM execution times). I didn't install anything at both times of executing PPM.

I supposed, your 'workaround' will enable PPM to continue its job.
But does not get to the bottom of the problem, ie. savefolder support.
And when 'savefolder' works, in PPM it should show 8.9GB available (?).

Link below shows screenshots from upupbb, that supports savefolder properly. Free space in PPM is pretty much same as in file manager.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=113958&start=8


Thanks oz, for showing me your 'trick'..
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jul 2018, 07:18    Post subject: Re: Personal Storage file - Out of space error
Subject description: When in fact there's plenty of space. (LxPrecisePup15091-Precise571 derivative)
 

dcung wrote:
LxPrecisePup1509 complained that I have no more space left when trying to install some pkg by PPM.

Wow - a blast from the past - LxPrecisePup is getting on for 3 years ancient!!

This is a PPM problem - not a savefolder/savefile problem.....

The answer is to configure PPM to use the "traditional non-auto user interface" and then to use the "Examine dependencies" and "Download only" buttons to fetch the packages. Once fetched, click on the packages to install them.

Amazing really that PPM still works at all.... Wink
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jul 2018, 16:28    Post subject: Re: Personal Storage file - Out of space error
Subject description: When in fact there's plenty of space. (LxPrecisePup15091-Precise571 derivative)
 

peebee wrote:
The answer is to configure PPM to use the "traditional non-auto user interface" and then to use the "Examine dependencies" and "Download only" buttons to fetch the packages. Once fetched, click on the packages to install them.


Thanks peebee, that works. Smile
It was not able show how much space available (my guess it was using same part of codes to do that with the other option), but your way allow PPM to proceed.

I guess, this is 'side effect' of using savefolder, since savefile does not show such symptom.

Thanks again peebee for responding so quick.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jul 2018, 18:05    Post subject:  

peebee wrote:
Amazing really that PPM still works at all.... Wink


You're telling me..! Considering 'Precise Pangolin' went officially EOL last year (April 2017), I'm constantly amazed I can still install stuff from the PPM, both in 5.7.1 and ETP's 'Chromebook Pup'.....based on 571 with Openbox.

Can't last much longer, surely.....?


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