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Puppy won't boot from USB memory stick
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TWPup

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 10:43    Post subject:  Puppy won't boot from USB memory stick  

Good afternoon. Please be kind to a newby to Puppy & Linux who hopes he has not strayed too far into the big boys' world.

I can boot into Puppy xenial 7.5 from a prepared CD and I believe I have successfully prepared a memory stick.

This shows most files as on the CD and is formatted in VFat (having tried ext2 and Fat16) It is flagged as Boot.

I have set (under advanced BIOS) Bios boot devices for USB-FDD as first, CDROM as 2nd and HardDisk as 3rd. but the PC boots from CD even when USB is inserted , or if CD not present but USB inserted, from HDD (into WindowsXP).
Under Boot devices 1 shows ChHardDisk M WDC WD800BB-55JKC0 and 2 Bootable add in cards.

I suspect my BIOS settings (Phoenix 6) but have insufficient knowledge to progress.

Once booted, the USB stick can be seen along with the CD and Hard disk.

Any help would be welcome.
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 11:17    Post subject:  

How did you install Puppy in the memory stick? Did you use Puppy's installer?
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TWPup

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 11:41    Post subject:  

Tx for response.
Yes. I used universal installer, but also tried USBFlash installer. Results were same
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 11:59    Post subject:  

If you did get it installed on the USB stick correctly.
It sounds like you are not getting the bios to select it to boot from.

Do not have the CD in the disk drive.
Also, try a different USB port.
Have the USB stick plugged in.
Boot the computer and enter the bios setup.
In the bios setup there should be a place to select boot device and set the order in which they are used.
Make sure the first boot device is the USB stick.
Make sure the setup is saved when you close/exit the bios setup.

Most computers also offer a boot device selection screen, that does not require entering the bios setup.
Just as the computer starts.
Usually press F8 or F12 down until the boot device selection screen pops up.
Should list all devices and you can select which one to use.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 12:07    Post subject:  

USB-FDD means "floppy disk drive". Your memory stick needs to be detected as an alternative hard drive.

In the BIOS, look for a list of bootable hard drives.

Is this an old computer? It may not allow booting off flash drives.
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 12:11    Post subject:  

Good point rcrsn51!

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I have set (under advanced BIOS) Bios boot devices for USB-FDD as first

Got any other option that looks like it is a USB device???

Make sure the USB stick is formatted fat32 and flagged as boot.
Some computers will not see anything else as a boot-able USB Stick device.

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TWPup

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 12:21    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
If you did get it installed on the USB stick correctly.
It sounds like you are not getting the bios to select it to boot from.

Do not have the CD in the disk drive.Then it boots to hard disc & windows
Also, try a different USB port.No difference
Have the USB stick plugged in.
Boot the computer and enter the bios setup.
In the bios setup there should be a place to select boot device and set the order in which they are used.
Make sure the first boot device is the USB stick.
Make sure the setup is saved when you close/exit the bios setup. Yes-have done all that

Most computers also offer a boot device selection screen, that does not require entering the bios setup.
Just as the computer starts.
Usually press F8 or F12 down until the boot device selection screen pops up.
Should list all devices and you can select which one to use.
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TWPup

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 12:35    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
USB-FDD means "floppy disk drive". Your memory stick needs to be detected as an alternative hard drive.

In the BIOS, look for a list of bootable hard drives.

Is this an old computer? It may not allow booting off flash drives.
Pretty ancient WinFast 760GXK8MC May try the stick on some other PC tomorrow
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TWPup

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 12:37    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Good point rcrsn51!

Quote:
I have set (under advanced BIOS) Bios boot devices for USB-FDD as first

Got any other option that looks like it is a USB device??? USB-zip, USB-CDROM, USB-FDD & have tried them all

Make sure the USB stick is formatted fat32 and flagged as boot.Have tried Fat32 and it is flagged
Some computers will not see anything else as a boot-able USB Stick device.
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 12:38    Post subject:  

Tx for help so far; I am away from pc until tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 13:48    Post subject:  

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Got any other option that looks like it is a USB device??? USB-zip, USB-CDROM, USB-FDD & have tried them all

That looks like no option to boot from a USB stck.

In Universal Installer try the Bootflash USB Installer option.
Select to set it up as a USB-Zip or USB-FDD.

Try that as the device to boot from.
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jun 2018, 04:27    Post subject:  

I have now installed Puppy as a dual boot to the PC hard drive using Grub.
Boot works satisfactorily.

In advanced settings during Grub boot-up, the USB stick is shown as a boot from option, but trying to use it, shows up as drive not present.

It looks as though the PC will not permit boot from USB stick. Dual booting will suffice for the purpose wanted from this PC.

Thanks for all the help.
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jun 2018, 05:18    Post subject:  

TWPup:

Best give your computer specs.

Just so you know..rcrsn51 and bigpup are top drawer people
for Puppy advice.

rcrsn51 also has a different booter he has posted and is a printer wizard.
For example my newer gaming computer ( 3 years old )

has an Asus motherboard.
And it is a real bitch to get going.

On all the Asus boards did anyone mention...
HIT F8 to get better options for usb booting.

Anyway it behaves much better now but occasionally it
won't boot one that I know is perfect.

:::::::

Old post on usbs.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=871107#871107

So post the motherboard or if it is a brand the model number
and if it is HP, Dell, Acer etc.

Chris.
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jun 2018, 06:39    Post subject:  

TWPup wrote:
I have now installed Puppy as a dual boot to the PC hard drive using Grub.
Boot works satisfactorily.
...
Dual booting will suffice for the purpose wanted from this PC.
I actually prefer it this way.

From the time I used to boot often from usb on a AMD Palomino I remember I used Rufus to make the usb.
Rufus only runs on windows and it has an install option for old hardware support.
I don't know if 'modern' rufus still has it, with the arrival of uefi and all. You may need an older rufus to try that.

Another thing that worked iirc was a simple manual frugal install and grub4dos. This still works nicely on uefi with legacy support.

I cannot remember if I had to do something in de bios besides putting one of the usb options first, but it is possible.
I should have to try it, but that old AMD is on the attic now.
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jun 2018, 08:57    Post subject:  

foxpup wrote:
TWPup wrote:
I have now installed Puppy as a dual boot to the PC hard drive using Grub.
Boot works satisfactorily.
...
Dual booting will suffice for the purpose wanted from this PC.
I actually prefer it this way. It will do for this, but will explore with another PC for future use of Puppy.

From the time I used to boot often from usb on a AMD Palomino I remember I used Rufus to make the usb. Tried Rufus but some dll files were missing and don't wish to get involved further.
Rufus only runs on windows and it has an install option for old hardware support.
I don't know if 'modern' rufus still has it, with the arrival of uefi and all. You may need an older rufus to try that.

Another thing that worked iirc was a simple manual frugal install and grub4dos. This still works nicely on uefi with legacy support.

I cannot remember if I had to do something in de bios besides putting one of the usb options first, but it is possible.
I should have to try it, but that old AMD is on the attic now.
Which is where this should be but it is a good old workhorse for the user's needs.
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