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Smithy


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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jun 2020, 08:17    Post subject:  

A few tweaks.
Have removed pwidgets from that 5 series kernel, pwidgets is available as a pet now. Was just in it to see how puppy was running with that kernel.
Pulse audio volume control pet had a duplicated menu entry, now fixed.
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Smithy


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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jun 2020, 10:12    Post subject:  

I've put a Wine Upgrade in Smokey's repository, takes wine and dev up to 5.8.
There's a little surgery involved :

1. Delete .wine folder in root.

2. Go to usr/lib and delete the Wine folder there.

3. Stay in usr/lib and delete the 3 files libwine.so (symbolic link), libwine.so.1 (symbolic link) and libwine.so.1.0

4. Install Wine 5.8 pet.

5. Restart X.

6. Install XMPlay pet.

All should be good including linvst server and wineasio.
Wine should be easier to upgrade because it is now moved to usr/lib32.

And the soundfont for midi is now moved to usr/share/audio, so should be available to other linux players and can be replaced for bigger ones.

I've also put a royale_noir.zip file in the repo, which is a Theme for Wine, if required. You just unzip it somewhere and follow the short instruction.
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ciento

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Jun 2020, 17:30    Post subject:  

Wine 5.8/wineasio? Excellent! This opens doors to lots of excellent audio software,
free and commercial. I'll try this in my Studio 1337 and Bionic64 setups,
and post some results in a few days.
Cheers
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O.F.I.N.S.I.S.

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Jun 2020, 00:23    Post subject:  

ciento wrote:
Wine 5.8/wineasio? Excellent! This opens doors to lots of excellent audio software,
free and commercial. I'll try this in my Studio 1337 and Bionic64 setups,
and post some results in a few days.
Cheers

Studio2Go is 32bit, Studio1337 and BionicPup64 is 64bit.

So, two questions:

How will you use Wine for 32bit Studio2Go in a 64bit Puppy?

Why do you want to use Windows Audio Software in GNU/Linux, when there's so much excellent programs already?

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ciento

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Jun 2020, 17:25    Post subject:  

feed this to google: ubuntu add architecture

I agree that there is a great selection of linux native audio software,
even if you make that assertion without musical context.
I use linux-reaper and rakarrack daily, and audacity on the results,
and linux Mixbus for mastering. I also use many linux U-he plugins,
linux discoDSP plugins, linux TAL plugins.

To add honest and realistic musical context to opinions about
what linux audio software offers, we must also consider the amazing diversity
ethnic music from around the world. I have amazing sound libraries for
the Middle East, West Africa, India, The Carribean, latin America,
a tinkerers machine shop, club scenes of diverse genres from around the world,
a wide range of orchestras and classical instruments,
modeled amps and effects, sampled drum kits from renowned
percussionists.

Then there are the plethora of great synths and soundsets from
vst developers and sound designers over the past 15 years,
innovators, creative geniouses, visionaries, and still more to come.

If we who use linux take an 'us vs them' attitude,
nothing good will come of it. The attitude
invites animosity, rather than community,
and is a huge reason why linux audio users
and developers remain a tiny minority around
the musical world.

The linux kernel, open source software, and well crafted
linux distributions have a lot to offer. Hopefully a perpetual
superiority complex won't be the core value perceived
by users of other operating systems, when communicating
with linux users, and considering new possibilities.
Cheers
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PostPosted: Mon 15 Jun 2020, 17:42    Post subject:  

Quote:
If we who use linux take an 'us vs them' attitude

I did not ask because of such attitude. Just asked out of curiosity, as I think all that Windows software might work much better when using Windows. I just don't get it why anyone wants to run music software in an "Emulator" within another OS.

I still have Windows XP and using it from time to time because there's some synths that aren't available for Linux. Within the last year I created lots of .sf2 files from samples recorded off these synths to have these sounds available in Linux.

By insinuate that attitude to me you just did not answer to my first question: How will you use Wine for 32bit Studio2Go in a 64bit Puppy? I was asking for Puppy Linux not Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Mint whatever...

So, how do you do this, since I couldn't even get the 64bit wine from l0wt3ch to work in BionicPup64. Tried this to make some testings to run a great graphics program I was used to in Windows (a PortableApp).

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ciento

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Jun 2020, 18:42    Post subject:  

w_ine
i_s
n_ot
e_mulator

Wine is a minimal api to enable windows software to find what it needs
to present a gui, and run it's code. And it does that quite well.

From a wineHQ wiki:

"6.5.3 How do I create a 32 bit wineprefix on a 64 bit system?

At present there are some significant bugs that prevent many 32 bit applications from working in a 64 bit wineprefix.
To work around this, you can create a new 32 bit wineprefix using the WINEARCH environment variable. In a terminal, type:

WINEARCH=win32 WINEPREFIX=path_to_wineprefix winecfg

(use the actual path to the wineprefix) Do not use an existing directory for the new wineprefix: Wine must create it.

Once a 32 bit wineprefix is created, you no longer have to specify WINEARCH in the command line to use it,
as the architecture of an existing wineprefix cannot be changed.
Note that if the wineprefix is not the default (~/.wine, you do have to specify the WINEPREFIX variable
when installing anything (including winetricks) to it:

WINEPREFIX=path_to_wineprefix wine start /unix path_to_installer"

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If that fails in some puppy linux, it is a puppy issue,
and it would be nice for it to be remedied.
Cheers
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Smithy


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PostPosted: Tue 16 Jun 2020, 04:44    Post subject:  

There's a 32 bit compatibility sfs for bionic64, but it seems broken.

I have had too many problems with 64 bit, no validated CSM compatibility.
Touching ntfs partitions, bootsector alteration bcd, grldr, bootmgr, corrupting legacy bios after a few hard drive accesses.
Retaining hard drive access flags on folders even after cold, hard reset, even in supposed pfix=ram mode.
I think it must be in the sfs, init, vmlinuz or zdrv because I removed EFI folder, boot.catalogue, chain.c32, efi.img, vesamenu.c32 , refind_linux.conf, splash.png etc).

That's okay for a frugal or full hard drive install, but what if you want to try it out first as a live pure ram.
And if you want to try out an old Slackware, Vivid, Lucid or 431, whatever. I switch to UEFI and it says NO.

The OpenGL or Mesa, video framerate in wine is just as good as windows and linux from tests, I have found, so it blends well.
I think they are telling porkies with 5, saying that Mono and Gecko now install in usr/share/wine to make updating easier. It still goes into the prefix system/system32 folder. Not a problem though.
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ciento

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Jun 2020, 08:56    Post subject:  

I installed the wine 4.1 pet in Bionic64, ran the winecfg,
replaced the reg files with those of a wine 5.10 setup
from Ubuntu Studio, ran LinVst on a bunch of free and commercial plugins,
and had pretty good results. Native Instruments Reaktor,
Raum, and Phasis all worked, as did Dexed and Seaweed Audio's
Fathom modular synth, which has a free mono version, and a CM magazine version.

I also tried the 32bit compatibility sfs, but it did not work,
as far as I can tell. Your 64 bit efforts remind how much takes place
to get a linux system in working order. The AVLinux dev has had
a tough row to hoe with the whole uefi boot saga, so you've
got company in frustration.
Cheers
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