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Trouble saving Fatdog 710 session to a flash stick
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PappyPuppy

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Mar 2018, 14:26    Post subject:  Trouble saving Fatdog 710 session to a flash stick
Subject description: MSI GT660 laptop with no hard drive
 

I have this trash-picked laptop that I put a new graphics card and now it boots up to fatdog which I put onto a flash stick. The laptop has no hard-drive (at least as of yet). But when I shut the laptop down after the first boot-up, it was unable to save to the flash stick. Is this probably because I haven't given an friendly enough partition file-type - like ext4 or some other friendly file type? Just curious.
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drunkjedi


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Mar 2018, 17:07    Post subject:  

Fatdog can create savefile on fat32 just fine.
Please give details about your usb drive, and what you actually mean by "unable to save to flash stick".
What error it gives and when?
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PappyPuppy

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Mar 2018, 20:33    Post subject: I think I figured out that there is no writeable space
Subject description: Perhaps some unallocated space
 

sdc has 360 MB total and it's all used.
sdc2 has only 4096 bytes.

I must have made a boot flash stick some time ago and I didn't use anywhere near all of the flash stick.

So I need to allocate some more room outside of the fatdog usual stuff.
I guess I could do this in Gparted or somehow else.

I think I'll do this on the actual machine.
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Mar 2018, 09:10    Post subject:  

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sdc has 360 MB total and it's all used.
sdc2 has only 4096 bytes.

If this is all the usb flash drive can hold, it is too small.

You need at least a 1GB drive, but a 2GB or bigger would be better.

All you need is one partition that uses all the space on the drive.
I would format it ext 3.

Note:
May have to use Fat 32 format, because that old a computer may only be willing to boot from a usb flash drive that is fat 32 formatted.

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Mar 2018, 09:25    Post subject: I FIXED THE LAPTOP TROUBLES
Subject description: The MSI GT660 is now running
 

bigpup wrote:
Quote:
sdc has 360 MB total and it's all used.
sdc2 has only 4096 bytes.

If this is all the usb flash drive can hold, it is too small.

You need at least a 1GB drive, but a 2GB or bigger would be better.

All you need is one partition that uses all the space on the drive.
I would format it ext 3.

Note:
May have to use Fat 32 format, because that old a computer may only be willing to boot from a usb flash drive that is fat 32 formatted.


Yeah, I don't know how I corrupted the original flash stick I was using in that laptop so I simply took it out and reburnt (with the newer .iso of 7.21) using the dd command that is described in this link:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/faqs/uefi-flashdrive.html

I popped the new flash stick in and I booted successfully. This was all after fixing the on-off bezel problems and the keyboard not working (due to the ribbon cable needed to be pressed into place so it sticks).

So now I'm running. But I will NOT save any sessions yet until I get either another flash stick or a used hard-drive.

I just don't want to walk the same path I did before. I'm always for trying something different when a process fails. There is obviously some issue with my flash stick even though i was nice enough to make 3 perfectly friendly partitions on it and it's probably a 16GB or so flash stick. It just sucks for some reason, so I'll probably use that flash only to boot from until I can completely comprehend what the problem is. It might be a path issue. I need to dig deeper into how to do these things. I often have to use either drive mode or file mode in a fatdog save. It doesn't absolutely always work unless you know what you're doing (and I don't know what I'm doing well enough yet). So my trash-picked toy is working now.

By the way, the flash stick has the following:

sda, sda1, and sda2

But when I show properties, it always shows only 8192 bytes and extended attributes not supported. I think I have fat16, ntfs, ntfs. It's weird.

I just for test purposes dragged the help folder on sda over to sda2 and it did it fine. So I guess I can use sda1 and sda2. Then I dragged it over to sda1. So now I have some new files stored onto the flash stick for test.
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Mar 2018, 13:50    Post subject:  

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But when I show properties, it always shows only 8192 bytes and extended attributes not supported. I think I have fat16, ntfs, ntfs. It's weird.

Could be something about using fat16 format for that first partition, if there are 3 partitions.
Should use fat32 format.

What does Gparted show about the drive?

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Mar 2018, 17:40    Post subject: I'll buy a new stick and burn a new flash stick
Subject description: Make the first one Fat32
 

bigpup wrote:
Quote:
But when I show properties, it always shows only 8192 bytes and extended attributes not supported. I think I have fat16, ntfs, ntfs. It's weird.

Could be something about using fat16 format for that first partition, if there are 3 partitions.
Should use fat32 format.

What does Gparted show about the drive?


The others some mix of NTFS, ext4, ...

I can get a hard-drive cheap for that laptop - I should buy one. Tonight I have to put the 16 screws in that I left out and hopefully anything else I left out. Then troubleshoot why I can't listen to tunes nor anything else with the cd-rom - might be time for a new one. The OS knows it's there.
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Mar 2018, 18:56    Post subject:  

What does Gparted show about the drive?

Sorry, I cannot help you if you do not answer specific questions.
I need to see exactly what Gparted shows for what is on the drive.

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Mar 2018, 20:22    Post subject:  

Kernel options could help you find the save file.
You add this to kernel line of menu.lst file

Code:
savefile=ask


or

Code:
savefile=direct:local


Reference: http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/faqs/boot-options.html
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Mar 2018, 21:07    Post subject: I booted up after putting the screws in
Subject description: I then ran Gparted
 

bigpup wrote:
What does Gparted show about the drive?

Sorry, I cannot help you if you do not answer specific questions.
I need to see exactly what Gparted shows for what is on the drive.


Although the desktop of Fatdog shows sda, sda1, and sda2, Gparted only shows:

/dev/sda iso9660 FATDOG_LIVE 14.75GiB

That's all it said. Only sda.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Mar 2018, 20:19    Post subject: Re: I booted up after putting the screws in
Subject description: I then ran Gparted
 

PappyPuppy wrote:
bigpup wrote:
What does Gparted show about the drive?

Sorry, I cannot help you if you do not answer specific questions.
I need to see exactly what Gparted shows for what is on the drive.


Although the desktop of Fatdog shows sda, sda1, and sda2, Gparted only shows:

/dev/sda iso9660 FATDOG_LIVE 14.75GiB

That's all it said. Only sda.


I have another stick that I formatted as follows:

Device Volume Bytes Type
sdb1 Fatdog64 24GiB vfat
sdb3 NTFS 27GiB ntfs

I plan to reburn this with the latest Fatdog 7.21. Would I then be able to save sessions to the ntfs part of it? Or to the vfat? Can Fatdog be saved to either of these. I currently save my fatdog to an ntfs volume - it works reliably. Perhaps I should do that.

I have a hard-drive coming, but now that I discovered how to enable wifi on my new laptop toy, I am dying to save a session. But hell if I'm gonna try to save a session to the flash I'm booting from which is something weird.

Now for more analysis, if I plug the laptop's flash stick in to this machine and check it as I did above for the other one, it highlights like this:

sdb FATDOG_LIVE 14GiB iso9660
sdb1 FATDOG_LIVE 387MiB iso9660
sdb2 FATDOG_LIVE 10MiB vfat

I guess I would be best to use the former one I mention. I can change over to that flash stick.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Mar 2018, 20:28    Post subject: I just ruined the flash stick
Subject description: I just used the dd command
 

Now I no longer have the partitions.

Now I need to re-do the flash again.

Hard to tell - maybe I didn't ruin it. It still has sdb, sdb1, and sdb3 and the vfat and ntfs are still there. Now it shows a full 59GB for the iso9660 (bootable) part. So now I will try to boot from it and see if I can save to the flash.

It didn't work. It didn't recognize the flash as a boot device.

Every time I plug a flash stick into a PC, I get a different reading of how large each partition is.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Mar 2018, 20:37    Post subject: Is there a dd command that will create a multi-partition
Subject description: flash stick AND install the operating system
 

Using the dd command works but I guess I have to just make one volume - the problem is it makes the volume iso9660.

I want more than one volume
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Mar 2018, 21:05    Post subject: http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/faqs/uefi-flashdrive2.h
Subject description: I just followed this procedure
 

It doesn't work. My laptop is now again unbootable.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Mar 2018, 21:13    Post subject: http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/faqs/uefi-flashdrive.ht
Subject description: The above link
 

says that

Gparted will NOT understand the partitions. Why not?
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