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retry3

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Mar 2018, 20:09    Post subject:  Need Printer recommendations for basic functions  

I am running Tahr 6.0.6 on an older Lenova Desktop 4mb ram.

I am a senior with limited skills and always have had trouble installing things.

I need a basic printer to print B&W documents and letters at the minimum,

for light personal use.

Criteria: inexpensive, to buy and run
reliable
as easy as possible to install
simple to operate.

Any help or advice appreciated.

Thanks,
retry3
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bigpup


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PostPosted: Sat 03 Mar 2018, 21:36    Post subject:  

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I need a basic printer to print B&W documents and letters at the minimum,

All printers can do this.

However, full featured color and B&W plus scanner are very common. almost the norm.

Any of the name brand printers should work.

If you are mainly going to do B&W printing.
What I would look for is a printer with separate color and black ink cartridges.
If it only has one ink cartridge. It is used for every kind of printing and gets used up quicker. Plus usually cost more than a black only cartridge.

Low price printer.
The last one I got was a all in one printer/scanner has color and black separate ink cartridges.
I got it from that well known big, very big, box store in the United States. You know the one.
The printer was priced less than a replacement ink cartridge for the printer I had. Shocked
Yes, the new printer did come with ink cartridges.

I just looked at their web site.
Printer all in one print/scanner for $19.99.
Yes, it comes with the ink.
The replacement ink cartridge cost more. That is where the printer money is made.
Replacement ink cartridges. Shocked Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad
Make the printer cost little, but when you need more ink. money, money, money!!!

Now, for easy install of a printer in Puppy.
Look at this topic and see what it is all about.

How to Install Your Printer/Scanner in Puppy
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=59015
Each name brand printer has specific drivers and setup requirements, but not that hard if you follow and do what is needed.

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retry3

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2018, 12:26    Post subject:  

Thanks bigpup -

Your tip on the big box store was helpful, I am off for there today.

I had already read the thread on installing before I asked my question, but I will re-read a little more closely.

Since we know the ink cartridges are so expensive, I am looking for a thread that has tips on which printer best handles a generic alternative.

I appreciate that you keep helping even though some people never reply or thank you or the others.

Regards,
retry3
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drunkjedi


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2018, 12:50    Post subject:  

I don't have a printer.
But a friend was buying a printer, so we asked advice to corner netcafe owner.
He told us that he prints in bulk so his choice is different than what an occasional home printer needs. But he also told that price of printer is not to be compared, but cost of printing should. So go to go to nearby 3rd party ink cartridge refilling store and ask them which make of printer has cheap 3rd party refillable cartridges, which gives decent printing results.

I suggest you do the same if possible.
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davids45


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2018, 17:49    Post subject: Epson printer  

G'day fellow senior retry3,

Epson printers are very good, well priced, and reliable (well built). Very importantly, there are drivers to run them with Linux.

The forum has many posts about setting them up and with .pet drivers that can be downloaded.

You will probably need to learn about CUPS to install any printer in Puppy (the wizard in the System menu is easy to use once you get the jargon sorted out, check it out with or without a printer) - again, plenty on the forum about this.

We have had several Epson printers (inkjet and laser) and have had few problems in setting them up on our home network. Our current multifunction Epson WF-2510 serves four oldish desktops (Puppies) and two laptops (something called Windows on one?). Scanning also works over the network in Puppy.

I expect you'll be plugging your printer in via its usb but current Epsons have wifi which enables them now to also print directly from a mobile (Android) phone once you download the Epson App to the phone.

My other 'plus' for Epsons is that generic ink cartridges for Epsons are among the cheapest - I pay about AU$8 per colour cartridge. Even the branded Epson cartridges are relatively cheap compared to other branded inks here in Oz.

Whatever you buy, ask the forum if/when you have any problem printing from Puppy. Be sure to say which Puppy you're using and which printer and how it's connected to your computer.

Good luck.

David S.
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retry3

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2018, 23:57    Post subject: Thanks to drunkjedi & DavidS  

@drunkjedi -
What a good idea! Thanks for the tip; I don't recall seeing a cartridge refiller place around here but am looking.

@ David -
Thanks for the Epson information and your other advice, much appreciated.

I guess what we are really looking for is the overall cost of running a printer and the initial price is only one factor.

Being a senior has it's drawbacks, but I know you will agree that it is better than the alternative, at least so far.

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retry3
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LeithR

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2018, 04:10    Post subject:  

I too am a senior who has difficulty spending my hard earned pension.

I occasionally see usable printers coming up on Freecycle and have availed myself of these offers. Not sure where in Ohio you are based but if you google the link below you might come up with something useful for free.

https://www.freecycle.org/browse/us/ohio

Good luck with your quest!
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matchpoint

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2018, 09:59    Post subject:    

That's right Retry3, price is only one factor. This cat, probably Shakespeare and myself share the same viewpoint.

Mykol:
Quote:
My dad has both an inkjet and a laser printer in his home office. He read a lot of laser printer reviews before deciding to purchase one. Yes they cost more, but for him the advantages were worth it.

He prints off brochures and materials for his small business and a laser printer ends up being more cost effective. The ink lasts longer and is much higher quality, not to mention it prints a lot faster than an inkjet printer. He uses his inkjet printer for personal copies that don't need to be of high quality, but uses the laser printer for most all of his business printing needs.

anon133517:
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I used to have the same problem with the cartridges dying after months of inactivity (with more than one inkjet printer). Following the directions to revive them seemed to work only partially, and after much aggravation I would end up buying a new cartridge anyway, making the cost per sheet ridiculous!

About five years ago I got fed up with this and bought a color laser printer (Minolta Magicolor 2400W). I have been very happy with it, and it still works great. Due to not buying printer cartridges, I'm sure it has paid for itself several times over by now (in fact, I'm still using the original toner that came with it!).

So, besides buying laser printers for frequent use, I would also recommend them for very infrequent use as well.

http://www.wisegeek.org/should-i-buy-a-inkjet-or-a-laser-printer.htm

Inkjet or Laser Printing: Which is more cost-effective?

Pros & Cons for Home Use: Inkjet vs. Laser

Doesn't sound like I'm trying to sway you, does it?

https://haydenjames.io/finding-linux-compatible-printers/ <<< "PASS" on those "Manufacturer-Specific Installations"

Above all, stick to the "Puppy specific" instructions Bigpup linked.
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retry3

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2018, 19:50    Post subject: Thanks to Leith & matchpoint  

LeithR

Thanks from one senior to another.

That tip on Freeecycle was interesting. I will pursue it further.


matchpoint -

Thanks for those links and advice; especially the cat.
I looked at each one and there is more than I can sort out right now. Looks like more research is in the cards.

Regards,
retry3
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jrb


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PostPosted: Tue 06 Mar 2018, 10:55    Post subject:  

matchpoint wrote:
This cat

+1

After many dried up cartridges and one printer lost to dried on ink, I would never buy another inkjet. I bought a cheap Brother HP-1435 laserjet 18 years ago. Its on its second toner cartridge and its still printing.

Sadly Crying or Very sad , I have replaced it. My daughter and son-in-law run Win7 for their business and couldn't get drivers. Also it was never designed for Linux. After much trial and error, I got it to work with Cups 1.48 but it won't work reliably with anything later.

I replaced it with Brother HL-L2370DW which I got 1/3 off 2 weeks ago. As usual you can find it much cheaper in the states. Fully Linux supported. I have it installed in Tahr, Xenial, Artful puppies and DebianDog. Just click on this file .deb file and a usb install is done Very Happy . If you need help setting it up on a network, there are lots of nice folks here who will help.

If I had read @Davids45 post before buying I might have looked at Epsons as well. Whatever you decide, make sure it is fully Linux compatible.

Cheers, J
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retry3

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar 2018, 14:26    Post subject:  

Thanks for the input, jrb - Gives me more to think about.

Right now I am collecting info as to what is available in both laser and inkjet printers and how well they work with Linux. Really hard objective data is scarce and you have to go with what seems as close as possible.

I am counting on help from the generous forum members here, as you have suggested.

Regards,
retry3
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matchpoint

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar 2018, 15:08    Post subject:  

You've seen these, right? The second one here I use "Brother" as an example.

https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openprinting/database/databaseintro

https://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/Brother
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar 2018, 19:35    Post subject:  

I also vote laser... ink > gold.
My own is an HP LaserJet P1102W about US$80-100 depending upon retailer.

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J_D_

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2018, 01:33    Post subject:  

jrb wrote:
matchpoint wrote:
This cat

+1

After many dried up cartridges and one printer lost to dried on ink, I would never buy another inkjet. I bought a cheap Brother HP-1435 laserjet 18 years ago. Its on its second toner cartridge and its still printing.

Sadly Crying or Very sad , I have replaced it. My daughter and son-in-law run Win7 for their business and couldn't get drivers. Also it was never designed for Linux. After much trial and error, I got it to work with Cups 1.48 but it won't work reliably with anything later.

I replaced it with Brother HL-L2370DW which I got 1/3 off 2 weeks ago. As usual you can find it much cheaper in the states. Fully Linux supported. I have it installed in Tahr, Xenial, Artful puppies and DebianDog. Just click on this file .deb file and a usb install is done Very Happy . If you need help setting it up on a network, there are lots of nice folks here who will help.

If I had read @Davids45 post before buying I might have looked at Epsons as well. Whatever you decide, make sure it is fully Linux compatible.

Cheers, J


+1 for the Brother laser. I too got tired of buying ink cartridges. Less than $100 for a wireless printer, copier, fax,(never used the fax) the Brother can not be beat. I too am an old guy but got it going with help from guys on this forum. I later upgraded to 64 bit tahrpup and got it going on that myself.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2018, 11:46    Post subject:  

Same problems with inkjets and Brother lasers. Anybody want a free inkjet?! But, old HP inkjets generally work OK, if can get the extremely expensive genuine replacement cartridges and can tolerate the poor resolutions. For Linux, Epson is the one to avoid despite cheap replacement cartridges and superior output. Remember that the ink is more expensive than gold, w/w, and that the system purges a lot of it into the giant nappy (US: diaper) in the well underneath every time it's switched on.
HP lasers nearly always work ootb for many Linuxes and Samsung might do too using their all-in-one driver utility (but getting their scanner (for all-in-one machines) working can be trickier). We picked up an HP laser at a boot sale for £1, filthy but worked for > 1yr after cleaning, and another for £2 on which the paper auto-feed had been wrecked by someone poking blunt instrument(s) into the paper feed path - still working for manual feed of single sheets - tedious but cheap. Toner cartridges for lasers look expensive until you compare the quality, and relative price/page. There are U-tube videos of refilling your own - 50/50 rate of success in our experience, though. Biggest advantage of lasers is that it's a thermal process (toner(ink) is melted onto paper) and immune to spills of coffee, tea and raindrops...
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