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Xenial 64: Saved file exists but not recognized
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morochos

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Nov 2017, 10:33    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
@morochos: The other two computers are also using the same Xenialpup usb and work? Are they Windows 10 machines also? I thought the difference was the new init, but if the other two machines load the savefile from HDD in the Xenialpup 7.5 usb automatically then maybe not.


Yes, the other 2 PCs have windows 10 and booted with the same usb drive. But just this computer has the problem with the save file. This is the first time I see this since using puppy linux (2010 until present)
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morochos

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Nov 2017, 11:11    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
@morochos: The other two computers are also using the same Xenialpup usb and work? Are they Windows 10 machines also? I thought the difference was the new init, but if the other two machines load the savefile from HDD in the Xenialpup 7.5 usb automatically then maybe not.


The other 2 PCs use the same usb without this problem with the save file in the HDD. This is the first time I see this issue since using puppy linux
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Nov 2017, 11:20    Post subject:  

When it boots.
Are you seeing a menu with several options to how Xenialpup boots?
Or
Is it just booting?

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Nov 2017, 12:33    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
When it boots.
Are you seeing a menu with several options to how Xenialpup boots?
Or
Is it just booting?


Yes, I see the typical options (run xenial, run without save file, for machines with video problems, etc). I click on the first, after that it just boots
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Dec 2017, 07:02    Post subject:  

Running Xenialpup.
Does it access the hard drive OK?
Can read and write to it with no problems?

The last time Windows 10 was used.
Was it a complete power off shutdown or a hibernate shutdown?

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Dec 2017, 22:08    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Running Xenialpup.
Does it access the hard drive OK?
Can read and write to it with no problems?

The last time Windows 10 was used.
Was it a complete power off shutdown or a hibernate shutdown?


Yes, it can access the HDD without problems. Windows 10 updated and used daily (due to problems with puppy)
No power off or hibernation. By the way, my brother used it (with his flash drive) in his laptop as has the same problem: The save file is not recognized
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Dec 2017, 09:18    Post subject:  

What does Xenialpup name the hard drive?????
sda
sdb
sdc
etc.....

What are the desktop drive icons calling it??
Example:
A hard drive with two partitions.
The desktop drive icons are:
sda1
sda2
One for each partition on hard drive sda.

Quote:
No power off or hibernation.


Try this:

Do a complete power off shutdown of computer when using Windows 10.
Make sure Windows 10 does not shutdown in hibernation mode.
This needs to be total power off condition.

Plug in the Xenialpup USB flash drive.
Power up the computer and boot Xenialpup.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Dec 2017, 11:23    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
What does Xenialpup name the hard drive?????
sda
sdb
sdc
etc.....

What are the desktop drive icons calling it??
Example:
A hard drive with two partitions.
The desktop drive icons are:
sda1
sda2
One for each partition on hard drive sda.

Quote:
No power off or hibernation.


Try this:

Do a complete power off shutdown of computer when using Windows 10.
Make sure Windows 10 does not shutdown in hibernation mode.
This needs to be total power off condition.

Plug in the Xenialpup USB flash drive.
Power up the computer and boot Xenialpup.


They are called sda1 ( for ntfs) and sda5 ( for ext4). Parentheses are mine.
I did the power off as you said, nothing.
Also, I tried lowering and rising at extremes the saved file's size, nothing
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Dec 2017, 12:09    Post subject:  

So far everything you are telling use seems to be normal.
The save should be seen and found.

What exactly is the name of the save?
Is the name all in lowercase letters?

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Dec 2017, 11:53    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
So far everything you are telling use seems to be normal.
The save should be seen and found.

What exactly is the name of the save?
Is the name all in lowercase letters?


Yes, everything is lower case, just a common name, without numbers or special characters. I thing I will have to continue using Precise
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Dec 2017, 13:52    Post subject:  

It's been a while since I booted from USB or used UNetbootin but I looked at my old USB and found a file called syslinux.cfg with this:

Code:
default puppy
display boot.msg
prompt 1
timeout 50

F1 boot.msg
F2 help.msg
F3 help2.msg

label puppy
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.gz pmedia=usbflash

Perhaps adding psave=sda5 to the end of the append line would help, as described here:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/testing/initrd-progs/0initrd/README.txt

If it's in a folder you might try something more specific like psave=sda5:/xenialpup64/xenialpup64save.4fs
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Dec 2017, 11:22    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
It's been a while since I booted from USB or used UNetbootin but I looked at my old USB and found a file called syslinux.cfg with this:

Code:
default puppy
display boot.msg
prompt 1
timeout 50

F1 boot.msg
F2 help.msg
F3 help2.msg

label puppy
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.gz pmedia=usbflash

Perhaps adding psave=sda5 to the end of the append line would help, as described here:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/testing/initrd-progs/0initrd/README.txt

If it's in a folder you might try something more specific like psave=sda5:/xenialpup64/xenialpup64save.4fs


Hi
The code now is different:
Code:
#display help/boot.msg
default xenialpup
prompt 1
timeout 100

#F1 help/boot.msg
F2 help/help.msg
F3 help/help2.msg


ui /menu.c32
menu resolution 800 600
menu title xenialpup Live
menu background xenial.png
menu tabmsg Press Tab to edit entry, F2 for help, Esc for boot prompt
menu color border 37;40  #80ffffff #00000000 std
menu color sel 7;37;40 #80ffffff #20ff8000 all
menu margin 1
menu rows 20
menu tabmsgrow 26
menu cmdlinerow -2
menu passwordrow 19
menu timeoutrow 28
menu helpmsgrow 30



label xenialpup
linux vmlinuz
initrd initrd.gz
append pmedia=cd
menu label xenialpup
text help
Start xenialpup normally.
endtext


label xenialpup-fsck
linux vmlinuz
initrd initrd.gz
append pfix=fsck pmedia=cd
menu label xenialpup filesystem check
text help
Start xenialpup normally with save filesystem check.
endtext


label xenialpup-ram
linux vmlinuz
initrd initrd.gz
append pfix=ram pmedia=cd
menu label xenialpup with no savefile
text help
Start xenialpup with no savefile RAM only.
endtext


label xenialpup-nox
linux vmlinuz
initrd initrd.gz
append pfix=nox pmedia=cd
menu label xenialpup without graphical desktop
text help
Start xenialpup in command-line mode (Linux console).
Graphical desktop later can be started by typing "xwin".
endtext


menu separator

label xenialpup-nokms
linux vmlinuz
initrd initrd.gz
append pfix=ram,nox pmedia=cd
menu label For machines with severe video problems
text help
Start xenialpup without savefile, without KMS, and run xorgwizard
to choose video resolutions before starting graphical desktop.
endtext


Where can I set what you suggest?
And, if you are not booting your puppy linux with a usb now, how are you booting it?
Thanks for your interest
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Dec 2017, 12:26    Post subject:  

morochos wrote:
bigpup wrote:
So far everything you are telling use seems to be normal.
The save should be seen and found.

What exactly is the name of the save?
Is the name all in lowercase letters?


Yes, everything is lower case, just a common name, without numbers or special characters. I thing I will have to continue using Precise

Please answer the questions with specific information.
The exact name of the save is important!!!
The boot process is looking for a very specific name and no other.!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Dec 2017, 13:58    Post subject:  

morochos wrote:
And, if you are not booting your puppy linux with a usb now, how are you booting it?

Hi, for about 3-4 years I have been booting puppies from Hard Drive using grub4dos. I can dual-boot puppy with Windows XP or 7 or DOS on Hard Drive but on my main laptop I just wiped Windows from the hard drive with GParted instead because the XP was pausing randomly. I have not had to deal with UEFI and Secure Boot because my old laptops never seem to die and just keep working great. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Dec 2017, 15:34    Post subject:  

Finally, the issue is showing a positive change!

If you remember, I mentioned 2 computers experimenting this problem: The first, one desktop PC with 2 partitions, one ext4 and one ntfs with windows 10. And the second computer, my brother's laptop with just one ntfs partition with windows 10.

The laptop gave to me the first advance. In that computer, I partitioned the HDD to make an ext4 partition. In that section, I move the puppy save file and reboot: Problem solved!

Now, I have to find a solution for the PC with 2 partitions.

Thanks, all of you, for your help
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