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s243a

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Nov 2018, 04:33    Post subject:  

There is a stretch-backports repo that I don't believe is included in the puppy package manager for dpup-stretch but is needed if one wants to install node.js.

Also note that if one is installing node.js then they need to:
Code:

ln -s /usr/bin/nodejs /usr/bin/node
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Brown Mouse

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2018, 03:43    Post subject:  

Added the latest Firefox and once again discovered it had no sound.
On installing Apulse to fix the problem,noticed it breaks mhWaveEdit.

# mhwaveedit
[apulse] [error] Z pa_operation_get_state operation is NULL
pa_context_get_output_info_by_name: Oops.
get_default_source_info: Oops.
[apulse] [error] Z pa_operation_get_state operation is NULL
pa_context_get_output_info_by_name: Oops.
get_default_source_info: Oops.
Segmentation fault
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OscarTalks


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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2018, 06:06    Post subject:  

Brown Mouse wrote:
Added the latest Firefox and once again discovered it had no sound.
On installing Apulse to fix the problem,noticed it breaks mhWaveEdit.


I recommend extracting the 3 apulse library files into the main firefox directory and then starting firefox with a script to prioritise that directory in LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

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charlie6


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PostPosted: Thu 08 Nov 2018, 04:22    Post subject:  

Hi Oscartalks,
Quote:
...and then starting firefox with a script to prioritise that directory in LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

About that
/usr/lib/firefox/firefox
script, could it be something like:

Code:
#!/bin/sh
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
/usr/lib/firefox/firefox "$@"


Thanks for any advice
Also thanks to radky for this much appreciated Dpup Stretch !
Best regards
Charlie
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belham2

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Nov 2018, 07:05    Post subject: firefox64--no sound  

Hi Radky, Oscar and all,

Have any of you gotten sound to work in RC3 version for Firefox? I got it to work in RC2, but can't get it going in RC3??
Here's a pic so you can see everything I did (below). I downloaded Oscartalk's i686-apulse.pet from smokey01, installed the pet, then copied everything in the /usr/lib/apulse folder into the /usr/lib/firefox folder, and finally made the Firefox64 'about:config' mods as noted in the pic. Still, no sound.. Sad

Thank you for any help and/or tips.


P.S. I would happily stick to Palemoon, but every pup and/or ddog (or big Linux OS) I use Palemoon on my various range of desktops & laptops, it has one major annoying problem: the scrolling is horrible on any big (i.e yahoo, major news sites, major media (youtube), etc) webpages. It is catchy & jerky, and this is with 8-16GB ram on a various range of intel and amd machines and with pups/ddogs/big-linux-OSes. I've mentioned it in the Palemoon thread, but it seems there's no way to fix it and, sadly, I guess I am the only one on murga whose various machines suffers from it....despite it appearing constantly on several machines (recently, a few friends trying pups even experienced it and immediately they deleted Palemoon). I even tested this problem with big linux distros, as aforementioned, using different mouses (bluetooth and wired) and the scrolling is still the same horrible actions. Otherwise, it is a great browser. But this scrolling problem has been ongoing with Palemoon browser (32 & 64 bit) for over 20 months Confused
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radky

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Nov 2018, 15:53    Post subject:  

Hi belham2,

Today I tested "Firefox Quantum Portable with apulse" in Dpup Stretch and it works nicely for me (see link below).

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=978010#978010

This self-contained release of Firefox Quantum by fredx181 contains apulse provided by OscarTalks.

The current bug-fixed release contains firefox-63.0.3

• Download the 32-bit version for use in Dpup Stretch
• Extract the pet to a convenient folder such as /opt, then run the "ff" script in the extracted folder (/opt/firefox32)
• To update (if available), go to Help > About

Thank you fredx181 and OscarTalks Smile

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Concerning slow scrolling on some sites in Palemoon, the following options are available in Palemoon 28.2.1

Menu -> Tools -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Scrolling

In the Scrolling tab, click the Help button for more information about adjusting the Smooth scrolling parameters.
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01101001b


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PostPosted: Tue 27 Nov 2018, 23:43    Post subject:  

Hi! I've installed Dpup Stretch 7.5 RC-2 (4.9.71-i686-pae) in a friend's pc (same version I use for supporting reasons). But in my system I never had this problem (please, see picture).

Any idea? Is there something that I could check? Thx!
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2018, 00:21    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
P.S. I would happily stick to Palemoon, but [...] the scrolling is horrible on any big (i.e yahoo, major news sites, major media (youtube), etc) webpages.

Same here. This problem started in Palemoon 28, so I stuck to previous version as long as I could (that is, until MEGA stopped working with it).

As you said, I have that awful, uncontrollable scrolling in YT but the browser scrolling works ok in many different sites I visit. So I guess the problem comes due to some weird implementation of some weird scrolling type in YT's site and the like (momentum scroll / inertial scroll, some cr*p like that).

This scroll configuration in PM seems to mitigate the problem slightly (see picture - smooth scrolling selected but values unchecked) BUT if scrolling gets too crazy, I turn off Javascript in YT (I have a little addon at hand to turn it off)

Let's hope a better solution appear soon.

Regards!
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radky

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2018, 20:13    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
Palemoon [browsing] is catchy & jerky (i.e yahoo, major news sites, major media (youtube), etc)

Hi belham2,

As of v28.2.0, the palemoon browser supports Asynchronous Panning and Zooming (APZ) which may improve scrolling on webpages laden with imbedded javascript (such as yahoo, major news sites, etc.).

APZ decouples scrolling from the javascript thread, allowing smoother scrolling.

You could update to palemoon 28.2.1 or greater. Hopefully this will improve your browsing experience.

Keep in mind, the palemoon updater in stretch RC2/RC3 is now deprecated and no longer functions for palemoon 28.X.X.

The updated palemoon browser will be included in Dpup Stretch RC4, but for RC2/RC3 you can download the updated palemoon bzipped tarball and extract the new palemoon folder to replace the old /opt/palemoon folder.

Download x86 tar.bz2 (direct download)
http://linux.palemoon.org/download/mainline/

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01101001b


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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2018, 20:29    Post subject:  

radky wrote:
You could update to palemoon 28.2.1 or greater.

Been there, done that. Problem is even worse (to me at least). Beats me why. I had to go back to 28.2.0.
Just my 2 cents Sad

EDIT: My bad. Now I remember the real reason I quit 28.2.1 was because Whatsapp Web got frozen badly when zooming in a picture Shocked

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s243a

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2018, 04:18    Post subject:  

My package manager said that net-tools was installed:
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/net-tools
but I didn't have arp an rarp. I reinstalled it and I was able to get these commands but when I try to run arp it says "applet not found". This doesn't make any sense because there aren't many dependencies for net-tools. Maybe I need a kernal module or something?

Edit: in lieu of arp I can use:
Code:

ip neigh show

but I would still like to know why arp doesn't work.

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s243a

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2018, 05:59    Post subject:  

By chance does anyone know if there is a specific user id and group id that I should give to avachi. I want to try the following command:
Code:

avahi-browse -at

https://askubuntu.com/questions/161377/how-can-i-discover-the-hostnames-for-all-the-machines-on-my-lan

but when I try it I get the error:
Code:

# avahi-browse -at
Failed to create client object: Daemon not running
# avahi-browse -alr
Failed to create client object: Daemon not running
# avahi-discover
Failed to connect to Avahi Server (Is it running?): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.FileInvalid: Cannot do system-bus activation with no user

I think I need to create a user and group for Avachi. On a related note I'm looking for commands to see the hostnames of the machines on my network. The following two commands both work:
Code:

nbtscan 192.168.1.0/24
nmap --script smb-os-discovery -p 445 192.168.1.0/24


but they only give me the host names of host running "NETBIOS nameservers"
http://www.unixwiz.net/tools/nbtscan.html
(i.e. windows machines or linux machines running samba). My router can see all the hostnames but it doesn't seem to share them with the network (maybe for security reasons?) but I think if a PC runs a nameserver (like Avachi or NETBIOS) then all machines on the network can see the hostname.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2018, 14:06    Post subject:  

01101001b wrote:
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I have that awful, uncontrollable scrolling in YT (YouTube) but the (Palemoon) browser scrolling works ok in many different sites I visit.


@01101001b,
Running Palemoon 28.2.1 in the upcoming stretch RC4, I find scrolling is smooth with YouTube and the major news sites such as bbc.com, abc.com, cbs.com and nbc.com. Those news sites take a few moments to load all the javascript components but, once fully loaded, each web page scrolls smoothly for me in Palemoon 28.2.1. I have broadband internet, so loading those javascript-laden pages is relatively quick, but page loading would be much slower if your internet connection is slow.

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2018, 14:14    Post subject:  

@s243a wrote:
Quote:
My package manager said that net-tools was installed... but I didn't have arp and rarp.

@s243a,
The upcoming stretch RC4 will have net-tools (1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1) which includes arp and rarp.

Running arp in RC4 seems to work correctly for me.

However, rarp is an obsolete networking protocol which is not supported by the 4.9.X kernel in Dpup Stretch.

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@s243a wrote:
Quote:
By chance does anyone know if there is a specific user id and group id that I should give to avahi.

Sorry @s243a, I have no experience with the Avahi networking implementation.

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belham2

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2018, 14:59    Post subject:  

radky wrote:
belham2 wrote:
Palemoon [browsing] is catchy & jerky (i.e yahoo, major news sites, major media (youtube), etc)

Hi belham2,

As of v28.2.0, the palemoon browser supports Asynchronous Panning and Zooming (APZ) which may improve scrolling on webpages laden with imbedded javascript (such as yahoo, major news sites, etc.).

APZ decouples scrolling from the javascript thread, allowing smoother scrolling.

You could update to palemoon 28.2.1 or greater. Hopefully this will improve your browsing experience.

Keep in mind, the palemoon updater in stretch RC2/RC3 is now deprecated and no longer functions for palemoon 28.X.X.

The updated palemoon browser will be included in Dpup Stretch RC4, but for RC2/RC3 you can download the updated palemoon bzipped tarball and extract the new palemoon folder to replace the old /opt/palemoon folder.

Download x86 tar.bz2 (direct download)
http://linux.palemoon.org/download/mainline/



Hi Radky,

Thanks for responding. I have tried (to paraphrase Clint Eastwood: "Every which way but loose") to get Palemoon to play nice on the scrolling feature. It is just not your RC versions, but it happens across so many pups and ddogs that I just don't understand how I can be the only one seeing it. Yet, it is nice to see someone else here suffering the problem. Even the latest Palemoon suffers from the same problem.

Anyway, I gave up on Palemoon---again---it's like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football---I come back and give Palemoon a chance again---and, still, it whiffs & misses.

I have went back to Firefox (and even Seamonkey), neither of which suffers the stuttering, slow, jerky scrolling, and/or all the blink browsers, not one of which either suffers that problem.

Am really looking forward to the RC4 version......overall this is just one really good pup you've got going. Thank you for all the hard work in keeping it up.
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