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jrb


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Nov 2017, 20:43    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
Is this a remaster? (there is no woof-CE info line in DISRO_SPECS)

Your question made me exam my DISTRO_SPECS in both xenial and stretch which i built from testing.zip dated 10-sep-17. Xenial had a WOOF line but stretch did not. Then I went and examined the themplates in WOOFCE . Xenial shows
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BUILD_FROM_WOOF='testing;61d7002;2015-11-03 06:44:22 +1000'
but stretch has no "WOOF" line. Is this testing.zip really from 2015? Should I copy that line into my stretch build? Question
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Nov 2017, 22:14    Post subject: Dpup Stretch CE  

I did a new install to a 1tb usb-3.0 hard drive for use with my
Macmini:

# inxi -Fxxw
System: Host: puppypc23688 Kernel: 4.9.62 i686 (32 bit gcc: 6.3.0) Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 dm: N/A
Distro: Dpup Stretch 7.0.0a2
Machine: Device: laptop System: Apple product: Macmini6 1 v: 1.0 serial: C07JV98EDWYL
Mobo: Apple model: Mac-031AEE4D24BFF0B1 v: Macmini6 1 serial: C072496085YF1HCAG
BIOS: Apple v: MM61.88Z.0106.B03.1211161202 date: 11/16/2012
Chassis: type: 16 v: Mac-031AEE4D24BFF0B1 serial: C07JV98EDWYL
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i5-3210M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 9976
clock speeds: min/max: 1200/2501 MHz 1: 1200 MHz 2: 1300 MHz 3: 1400 MHz 4: 1500 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0166
Display Server: X.org 1.19.2 driver: intel tty size: 165x34 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio: Card Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:1e20
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.9.62
Network: Card-1: Broadcom Limited NetXtreme BCM57766 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe
driver: tg3 v: 3.137 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 14e4:1686
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: a8:20:66:49:0d:ea
Card-2: Broadcom Limited BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n
driver: bcma-pci-bridge bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 14e4:4331
IF: wlan0 state: down mac: 88:53:95:2b:b7:4b
Drives: HDD Total Size: 1500.3GB (0.1% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: APPLE_HDD_HTS545 size: 500.1GB serial: N/A
ID-2: /dev/sdb model: 005_HD103SJ size: 1000.2GB serial: N/A
RAID: System: supported: linear raid0 raid1 raid10 raid6 raid5 raid4
No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Unused Devices: none
Sensors: None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Weather: Conditions: 45 F (7 C) - light showers rain mist Wind: From the SE at 5 MPH Humidity: 100%
Pressure: 29.31 in (992 mb) Time: November 18, 8:58 PM EST (America/Rainy_River)
Info: Processes: 189 Uptime: 1:08 Memory: 164.3/16111.2MB Init: SysVinit v: N/A runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: N/A
Client: Shell (bash 4.4.121 running in lxterminal) inxi: 2.3.8
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I installed applications with PPM.
Edited menu.lst file with intel_pstate=disable.
This beta is working great!

Thanks.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Edit: After running for 4+ hours, shutting down and restarting this
morning, Dpup wouldn't boot.
I started over and partitioned the usb hard drive installing Dpup on
the 1st partition, size is 48gb.
It's working fine now, have rebooted several times while doing the new
installation.
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Nov 2017, 23:39    Post subject:  

New install on laptop with Intel i3 -5005U and Intel 7265D wifi card using fdrv for wifi card firmware. As with desktop PC all is working very well.

Code:
# inxi -F
System:    Host: puppypc16717 Kernel: 4.9.62 i686 bits: 32 Desktop: JWM 2.3.7
           Distro: Dpup Stretch 7.0.0a2
Machine:   Device: laptop System: Dell product: Latitude 3350 serial: DDNM982
           Mobo: Dell model: 0KVTCC v: A00 serial: /DDNM982/CN7620662400BV/
           UEFI [Legacy]: Dell v: A10 date: 06/29/2017
Battery    BAT0: charge: 43.7 Wh 121.0% condition: 36.1/43.7 Wh (83%)
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i3-5005U (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 1900 MHz 1: 1900 MHz 2: 1900 MHz 3: 1900 MHz
           4: 1900 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel HD Graphics 5500
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2
           drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2) x86/MMX/SSE2
           version: 4.5 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card-1 Intel Broadwell-U Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Intel Wildcat Point-LP High Def. Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.9.62
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCIE Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 20:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
           Card-2: Intel Wireless 7265 driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 10:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 264.1GB (3.2% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: Crucial_CT256MX1 size: 256.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: DataTraveler_3.0 size: 8.0GB
Partition: ID-1: swap-1 size: 4.27GB used: 0.00GB (0%)
           fs: swap dev: /dev/sda7
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 181 Uptime: 2:01 Memory: 332.8/7722.2MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.43
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P.S. As for my request for sysinfo bar , I expected that you would have advised that it was tied up in fbpanel, but thought it was worth asking. Thanks for letting me know.
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 00:09    Post subject:  

This was working nicely for me for about an hour, then I was hit when the dreaded jwm 2.x bug that plagues all modern puppies http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=961396#961396 damn you jwm 2.x, should have known this would happen... shakes fist angrily at the air yelling random gibberish so now I'm back to using Slacko 5.7.x and learned my lesson for leaving it
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 02:22    Post subject:  

Hi Sailor Enceladus,

I reviewed your prior discussions below:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=955321#955321
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=955636#955636

If I understand correctly, in some instances an intermittent 'desktop freeze' may be an issue for some intel graphics chips?

Is there any relationship between the JWM bug and intel graphics bug?

Forum member norgo suggested creating a 20-intel.conf file which changes the intel AccelMethod from "sna" to "uxa". I assume this did not help in your case?

Any additional thoughts you may have are welcome.

PS - Recently, I noticed a similar intermittent 'desktop freeze' on my intel desktop PC. Finally, I realized the problem occurred only while running a 64-bit Pup (or 32-bit PAE). A quick test with the MemTest86 utility identified a faulty RAM module (high address error). Removing the bad memory module eliminated my problem. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 02:32    Post subject:  

radky wrote:

mavrothal wrote:
Quote:
Is this a remaster?

No, not a remaster. The alpha releases and current beta release are primary Woof-CE builds (testing branch). All modifications to the default Woof build were implemented in 00build.conf.

That is strange.
If merge2out is run from the cloned woof-CE git will have the current branch, commit hash and date. If the woof-CE is downloaded instead of cloned will show "no woof-CE-git info available". if is a manual remaster the line maybe an older one or missing.
If you did not manually modify DISTRO_SPECS after merge2out, must be a bug somewhere down the build process.
BTW, would be nice to post the 00build.conf file somewhere.


@jrb, older woof-CE builds when the repo was downloaded instead of cloned would keep whatever DISTRO_SPEC info was there

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 02:39    Post subject:  

Quick manual frugal install. Sound and display correct on initial boot,had to use SNS for wired internet. Installed 4 or 5 things,all good.

Looks really solid.


Code:

# inxi -Fxx
System:    Host: puppypc21200 Kernel: 4.9.62 i686 (32 bit gcc: 6.3.0)
           Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 dm: N/A Distro: Dpup Stretch 7.0.0a2
Machine:   Device: desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: M5A97 LE R2.0 v: Rev 1.xx serial: 150545593600028
           BIOS: American Megatrends v: 2601 date: 03/24/2015
CPU:       Hexa core AMD FX-6300 Six-Core (-MCP-) cache: 12288 KB
           flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 42141
           clock speeds: min/max: 1400/3500 MHz 1: 1400 MHz 2: 2000 MHz
           3: 2000 MHz 4: 1400 MHz 5: 3000 MHz 6: 1400 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0a65
           Display Server: X.org 1.19.2 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           tty size: 80x24 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 10de:0be3
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2 chip-ID: 1002:4383
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.9.62
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d000
           bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full
           mac: 1c:87:2c:5a:bb:e2
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1120.2GB (0.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: KINGSTON_SV300S3 size: 120.0GB serial: N/A
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD10EZEX size: 1000.2GB serial: N/A
           ID-1: swap-1 size: 8.60GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdb5
RAID:      System: supported: linear raid0 raid1 raid10 raid6 raid5 raid4
           No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
           Unused Devices: none
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 13.9C mobo: N/A gpu: 31.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 184 Uptime: 20 min Memory: 210.0/16111.0MB
           Init: SysVinit v: N/A runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: N/A
           Client: Shell (bash 4.4.121 running in lxterminal) inxi: 2.3.8



Code:
# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:      16497632      1047876     15449756       462148       100524
-/+ buffers:             947352     15550280
Swap:      8396796            0      8396796
#
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 03:40    Post subject:  All Puppy Stretch can be resumed in one
Subject description: Dpup Stretch can be released !
 

mavrothal wrote:
Is this a remaster? (there is no woof-CE info line in DISRO_SPECS)
If yes, of which original ISO? (so we can follow the change log - there are several 7.0.02a floating in the forum)


Could you go one step forward please and answers these questions ? There are several Personal versions in Ally's archives too. Before creating new ones please delete those replaced by..
The name of the builder appearing somewhere should be nice too. Version nr as r4854 is is not clear at all.
All Puppy Stretch can be resumed in one, only one, but official
Some little bugs always will exist in anything, a final release is needed with a LTS support.
Well noticed about PAE sould be reason why Dpup freezing.. I am still with Puduan by sailor enceladus. Dpup Strectch can be final release, I will download it when no need to be a tester to use it;
DebianDogs stretch are now far ahead . pls stop beating around the bush (google traduction) Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 07:21    Post subject:  

Hi @Radky

Nice job - looking really consistent and polished Wink

One thing that is probably inherited from the way that Dpup's have evolved is the dpup-stretch .pet repos and PPM.....

There are currently no dpup-stretch .pet repos on ibiblio....
There is a dpup-stretch .pet repo at:
http://01micko.com/wdlkmpx/puppylinux
however access is denied:
Quote:
You don't have permission to access /wdlkmpx/puppylinux/ on this server.

and
Packages-puppy-stretch-official
is set to be "LOCAL_ONLY" in DISTRO_PET_REPOS

the end result is that although puppy-stretch is shown as a repo in PPM it has no content

Send me a PM if you think we should try and get the dpup-stretch repo uploaded to ibiblio....

[bit later] another oddity is that some packages (abiword and gnumeric for example) do not appear in the list of built-in packages.... /root/.packages/woof-installed-packages

Cheers
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 08:47    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
@jrb, older woof-CE builds when the repo was downloaded instead of cloned would keep whatever DISTRO_SPEC info was there

Thanks for explaining that mavrothal.
I just used
Code:
git clone https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE.git
and when I used merge2out
Code:
BUILD_FROM_WOOF='testing;3ab4c8e;2017-11-19 10:06:31 +0200'
was in DISTRO_SPECS. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 09:33    Post subject:  

peebee wrote:
Hi @Radky

Nice job - looking really consistent and polished Wink

One thing that is probably inherited from the way that Dpup's have evolved is the dpup-stretch .pet repos and PPM.....

There are currently no dpup-stretch .pet repos on ibiblio....
There is a dpup-stretch .pet repo at:
http://01micko.com/wdlkmpx/puppylinux
however access is denied:
Quote:
You don't have permission to access /wdlkmpx/puppylinux/ on this server.

and
Packages-puppy-stretch-official
is set to be "LOCAL_ONLY" in DISTRO_PET_REPOS

the end result is that although puppy-stretch is shown as a repo in PPM it has no content

Send me a PM if you think we should try and get the dpup-stretch repo uploaded to ibiblio....

[bit later] another oddity is that some packages (abiword and gnumeric for example) do not appear in the list of built-in packages.... /root/.packages/woof-installed-packages

Cheers
peebee

Hi peebee.

No, there is no official DPupStretch-7 repo.

I don't know how many devs have created pets for it, but I have. Feel free to
pluck and plunder at augras' site, it's all DPupStretch-7 related:
http://augras.eu/puppy_linux/?dir=musher0/Dpup_Stretch

I think I saw a few pets for DPupStretch-7 in ttuuxxx's part of smokey01's repo.
Also OscarTalks has a few, maybe SailorEnceladus.

The problem, IMO, is that Puppy, ATM, is running without a leader. I like 01micko,
and I understand that he may going through trying personal times, and I sympathize,
my heart goes out to him -- but what people generally do in such circumstances is
they name an official second-in-command or vice-president, and they pass the reins
of the organization for a time to this person.

I'm sorry I have to be the guy saying it out loud, and 01micko, please shoot the
messenger if it's going to make you feel good again.

Puppy needs a leader. Not a king, but a democratic leader, someone who is going
to once in a while imprint a direction for our distro among several possibilities. In
the absence of such a direction, Puppy is growing in all directions, in other words:
not growing as a distro.

What are you waiting for to react, Mick Amadio? A fork of Puppy?

Again, I'm sorry I have to be the guy saying this out loud, and 01micko, please
shoot the messenger if it's going to make you snap out of your depression.

I hope this post helps this distro. I really do. BFN.

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 09:54    Post subject:  

@ musher0

I suggest you delete the bottom section of your above post and act honourably by transmitting your idea to 01micko by PM.
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 10:11    Post subject:  

mfb wrote:
@ musher0

I suggest you delete the bottom section of your above post and act honourably by transmitting your idea to 01micko by PM.

Hello, mfb.

Consider it a public demonstration out in the streets. This has been begging to be
said openly for a long time.

As to "acting honorably", I am, according to my culture, anyway.

Edit:
I am not uttering personal insults at the man, I am not attacking his reputation. His lack
of presence on this board is public knowledge among Puppyists. In my mind, I am
doing my duty as a "Puppy citizen" by bringing into the open a problem that this
distro has had for too long, IMO.
End of edit.


My sense of honor does not include hush-hushing for another day a problem as
important as the lack of leadership of a previously important Linux distro.

Regards.

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 11:20    Post subject:  

Thanks radky. The only solution I know that works on my laptops is to compile jwm-905 (the version used in slacko 5.7) and use it's templates for each puppy. If you post the devx I can make a pet of it and see if it solves this problem in your stretch too.

I understand the two points musher0 raised about a dpup leader and repository. I guess jlst is the silent leader who made dpup 7 possible... maybe jlst should come to the forum more and delegate this creation and woof-CE minions in a right path haha Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Nov 2017, 11:31    Post subject:  

Let me first apologise for diverting this thread but I think that some misconceptions should be addressed.
Administrators feel free to move the relevant posts in another thread or even delete them

Pointing fingers is always easier than doing the work but never solved any problem.

Right now puppy has at least 5 betas/RCs for the last 6 months. RedHat has shorter beta cycles!
Is not Micko's problem that no one with some knowledge appears to be willing to invest the time and effort required to fully develop and support a fully and openly reproducible* release yet.

Slacko is stalled because of Mick's real life priorities but no one stopped Mr Foo to pick up slacko builds where Mick left.
Xenial after the completion of Phil's "sabbatical" should hopefully be released in the coming days, but again Mr Bar did not show any interest for that either.
Peabee has Zesty and Artful in "beta" also (though without a trace in woof... Wink ).
Debian/Devuan has seen several semi-baked, mostly hand crafted attempts so far. Hopefully radky's will be fully and reproducibly developed (ie with the changes back in woof).
Peebee's LxPupSc builds are fine but given the continuous updates (which is nice) they look more like testbeds than official releases (and not in woof either... Wink Wink )

So I really have a hard time seeing why Mick is to "blame" for the above. Maybe for Slacko, if you are both inpatient and incapable, but why the rest?
And has nothing to do with directions or priorities.
Puppy was and still is a doocracy (though it would appear that some want someone else to do the doing) and for the last 5-6 years had at least 2, often 3, simultaneous official" releases.

I can understand that some may want a person at the helm that would be knowledgable, competent, adhere to standards and openness, follow and expand on puppy tradition and on the top of all these be here all the time to work on puppy and fulfil every request.
I would like that too! And although never discussed it, I'm pretty positive that Mick and BK would also love that!
If you are that person please come forward. Start submitting patches in woof-CE (or a repo of your liking) and start releasing and supporting puppies based on the said patches.
If you know such a person that may be shy to speak for him/herself please point to him/her.


* Any linux OS to be considered seriously should be reproducible by anyone (with some knowledge) from human readable files.
If you noticed historically and even now, BK always uploads in the woof(Q)/git repo the latest version after or simultaneously with, a release.
He also provides configuration files and patches for compiled applications.
Woof-CE tries to do the same and petbuilds repo tries to take care of the compiled apps so Puppy conform with Linux standards.
Open reproducibility is paramount for security too.
Without it would be hard for any puppy offering to be considered seriously.

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