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musher0

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Dec 2017, 15:54    Post subject:
Subject description: F-Prot AV for Linux 32-bits
 

Hello all.

I've assembled a sfs out of the F-Prot Anti-Virus utility, which still exists.

If you need a simple to use but good AV, it's available through here.

Enjoy.

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Dec 2017, 15:39    Post subject:  

Hello musher0,

I noticed that you main link linked to a french version. I'm not sure if this is right one or not for English users.

I saw some version here:
http://augras.eu/puppy_linux/?dir=musher0/Dpup_Stretch/ISOs_de_base

that didn't say french and look like they might be using an older kernal. I'm downloading them also to try. Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer tat you tested it on?
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Dec 2017, 16:48    Post subject:  

s243a wrote:
Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer tat you tested it on?

In my experience, musher0's Xenialpup-7.0.6 performs the best and seems the most stable out of all the modern puppies (ie. puppy 7-series) I've tried on my laptop, which is almost 13 years old now.
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Dec 2017, 17:01    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
s243a wrote:
Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer tat you tested it on?

In my experience, musher0's Xenialpup-7.0.6 performs the best and seems the most stable out of all the modern puppies (ie. puppy 7-series) I've tried on my laptop, which is almost 13 years old now.


But do we get the same results for newer machines? For instance on virtualbox on a more modern machine I found Racy to be quite a bit faster than Wary even though Wary has an older kernal.

Perhaps there is a trade-off where older kernals are faster on older mahcines but only to a point and after said point the newer kernal will actually be faster.

Perhaps the official Xenialpup 4.9 kernal is faster on the most bleeding edge machines but for most machines the 4.1 kernal will be faster and this is especially true for older computers.
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Dec 2017, 20:21    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
s243a wrote:
Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer t[h]at you tested it on?
In my experience, musher0's Xenialpup-7.0.6 performs the best and seems the most stable out of all the modern puppies (ie. puppy 7-series) I've tried on my laptop, which is almost 13 years old now.
Geez, Sailor.

You should try to warn me in advance if you know you are going to write
compliments like that about my work. Your words went right to my head!!! ROFL
Unexpected, it's quite a feeling!!! Smile I had to hang on to my chair and breathe
from a paper bag for a full minute! Laughing

Simply put: Many thanks for the unexpected compliment!

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@s243a:

In French, we have a proverb that goes: "Who can do more can do less," Same
with computers. Replace "who" with "what", and you have a general principle for
any technology.

IMO, unless one absolutely needs feature X in the newest kernel, why use it if the
Puppy runs more than well with an older kernel on your older machine?

I think Anglophones have a related saying: "If it runs, don't fix it?" Wink

I hope the above paragraphs answer your question at least in part.

BFN.

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Dec 2017, 21:05    Post subject:  

s243a wrote:
Hello musher0,

I noticed that you main link linked to a french version. I'm not sure if this is right one or not for English users.

I saw some version here:
http://augras.eu/puppy_linux/?dir=musher0/Dpup_Stretch/ISOs_de_base

that didn't say french and look like they might be using an older kernal. I'm downloading them also to try. Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer t[h]at you tested it on?
Hello s243a.

I didn't say "French" specifically because my Pups are designed to use the default
language the user has defined.

If the language variable in your Puppy is LANG=en_SOME-COUNTRY (e.g.
en_CA, en_US, en_AU, etc.), it will run in English. I did not remove anything from
the original Puppy; I just added French locales for programs at
/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES. If you have no need for those French locales,
you can safely remove the fr and fr_CA directories from that location.

The "Toutou Linux" derivatives by forum members esmourguit and now Médor are
French only. But me being from the "True North Proud and Free" Wink and not
from France, my Pups are bilingual English-French. I don't call them
"Toutous" either: they are true Puppies, just with some additional French.

As to how old my machine is, the HP Compaq 6715b I'm on now was released
in 2007. You can find the specs here. I have also attached an lscpu report.

As to speed, on my now 10-year old machine 666philb's original xenialPup-7 with
kernel 4.9 was "as slow as molasses in winter", as the saying goes. That is the
reason why I switched to kernel version 4.1. Ubuntu ships Xenial Xerus with kernel
version 4.5.

Is it optimal? Maybe, maybe not. Before giving a definite answer to that question,
one would have to test the XenialPup-706 with a lot of kernels. I didn't...

What I can tell you is that it now performs very fast in any situation. Since I have
changed the kernel to v. 4.1, I have had no bottlenecks at all on this machine,
even with 2 big apps (e.g. Opera 12.16 + PaleMoon-2.27, or U_Light browser +
apacheOpenOffice) running at the same time. It never crashed on me.

I hope the above answers your question at least in part.

BFN
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Dec 2017, 21:32    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:

As to how old my machine is, the HP Compaq 6715b I'm on now was released
in 2007. You can find the specs here. I have also attached an lscpu report.


Can I assume that you installed puppy to your hard drive? In another thread I'm suggesting that Xenial could run much slower if ran of a USB 2.0 stick on ram limited machines:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112438

However, maybe your kernal swap keeps ram usage low enough that it will still run well on a USB 2.0 stick on a machine with only 1GB of ram. I will let you know when I get an opportunity to test this but maybe someone has done so already.
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Dec 2017, 21:56    Post subject:  

Hello again.

Yes I am running my Puppy from a 220 Gb's Solid State HD, and I have 4 Gb's
of RAM installed. The size of my swap partition is 2.5 Gb's.

Because of that HW capacity I indeed get snappy IO transfers. However IO is not
the only factor. One should bear in mind that any Puppy runs in RAM on any
machine*, which makes it exceptionally fast, even on older machines.

If you fear that a xenialPup with even kernel 4.1 could bog down your old compy,
I don't think anybody would see any harm in you trying kernel 3.16 with the
xenialPup-7. Switching kernels is easy now, thanks to stemsee's work.

Or try a tahrPup ? They are versioned "6". Just a few thoughts.

Best of luck.
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* Except if you issue the command
Code:
pfix=nocopy
on the Grub4DOS line.
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Dec 2017, 22:14    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Hello again.

Yes I am running my Puppy from a 220 Gb's Solid State HD, and I have 4 Gb's
of RAM installed. The size of my swap partition is 2.5 Gb's.

Because of that HW capacity I indeed get snappy IO transfers. However IO is not
the only factor. One should bear in mind that any Puppy runs in RAM on any
machine, which makes it exceptionally fast, even on older machines.

If you fear that even kernel 4.1 could bog fdown your old compy, I don't think
anybody would see any harm in you trying kernel 3.16 with the xenialPup-7.
Switching kernels is not difficult at all, you know, not anymore, thanks to
stemsee's work.

Or try a tahrPup ? They are versioned "6". Just a few thoughts.

Best of luck.


I know tahrpup works well with only 1GB of ram while running off USB 2.0 media.

Write speed matters if you are near your ram limits because puppy will flush files from ram to a lower layer if you are near your ram limits. If puppy has to do this a lot then it will be a noticeable speed impact on slower media like USB 2.0 or ultra ATA.; and at some point it will be no different then if you were reading the files directly off the USB 2.0 media which is 100x slower than USB 3.0.

I'll do some testing when I get back from vacation with running xenial pup with older kernals and see if the the RAM usage of the OS can be low enough to make running xenial pup on USB 2.0 a sensible choice over tahrpup.
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Dec 2017, 23:55    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
s243a wrote:
Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer tat you tested it on?

In my experience, musher0's Xenialpup-7.0.6 performs the best and seems the most stable out of all the modern puppies (ie. puppy 7-series) I've tried on my laptop, which is almost 13 years old now.


How much ram do you have on this computer and what kind of drive did you install puppy on (e.g. SATA I or SATA II).
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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec 2017, 01:30    Post subject:  

s243a ?

Sailor E. will answer -- or maybe decide not to.

As for me, I'm getting suspicious about your questions. They are starting to look
like an enquiry. What is your point exactly? Covert criticism? You want someone
here to give you a newish computer? I'm not getting it this time.

There are tons of info on this forum and on Puppy sites about the requirements to
run a Puppy Linux distro.

You do not need to pose questions about people's hardware to run a Puppy. You
burn one on a CD/DVD or "dd" one to a USB drive, and run it. If you are not
happy with that particular Puppy, or if it does not fit your hardware, there are at
minimum 999 other Puppies stored at the archive.net site for you to choose from.

Regards.

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec 2017, 12:25    Post subject:  

s243a wrote:
How much ram do you have on this computer and what kind of drive did you install puppy on (e.g. SATA I or SATA II).

Hi s243a,

I put it in a folder on my ext4 partition on hard drive and booted with grub4dos. I have 1GB RAM but also have a 2-3GB swap-partition. There are various problems I've had with other modern puppies with delays, freezing, instability, I think it was not only the 4.1 kernel but how musher0 compiled the woof-CE 7.0.6 base and put it all together without any additional post-build hacks that made it all a fluid experience, so I would download this entire iso instead of just swapping around kernels in the regular xenialpup. The best way to know for sure what works best on your machine is to try it out of course Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec 2017, 17:08    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
s243a ?

Sailor E. will answer -- or maybe decide not to.

As for me, I'm getting suspicious about your questions. They are starting to look
like an enquiry. What is your point exactly? Covert criticism? You want someone
here to give you a newish computer? I'm not getting it this time.

There are tons of info on this forum and on Puppy sites about the requirements to
run a Puppy Linux distro.

You do not need to pose questions about people's hardware to run a Puppy. You
burn one on a CD/DVD or "dd" one to a USB drive, and run it. If you are not
happy with that particular Puppy, or if it does not fit your hardware, there are at
minimum 999 other Puppies stored at the archive.net site for you to choose from.

Regards.


I was updating this page"
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/WhatPuppyLinuxIsBestForYou

which was horribly out-dated. (Old Version of This Page)
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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec 2017, 18:11    Post subject:  

Aaaaahhhhhhh! Now you're telling us! Smile
I did not know that you were the maintainer of that page.
My apologies.

I wish you and all Puppyists a "Happy, Healthy and Successful New Year 2018"!

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec 2017, 19:51    Post subject: Re: xenialPup-7.0.6 32-bits with kernel 4.1
Subject description: The missing link?
 

musher0 wrote:

To the core of the matter: xenialPup-7.0.6 with kernel 4.1 now works
speedily on my old box. Hopefully, it will run at a reasonable speed on
your old box as well.
....
Available here: http://augras.eu/puppy_linux/?dir=musher0/Dpup_Stretch

Enjoy!

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PS. FYI, ubuntu's xenial xerus comes with kernel 4.4.


I think this is the link:

http://augras.eu/puppy_linux/?dir=musher0/xenialPup-706-k41/distro

I'll know once I try it.
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