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#31 Post by musher0 »

Hello peebee and all.

I agree with wiak. Puppy's window manager jwm was decided 10 years ago
by BarryK because it suited his needs best at the time. The WM is
important, but it's still only an interface. As wiak says, the scripts and the
directory organization underneath define Puppy more than any single WM.
Along with the capacity for frugal install, I'd add.

In the past, some very successful Puppies have used icewm, in particular
tronkel's Puppy 3.02.

icewm is being actively refitted / modernized. It has a very active github
page here: https://github.com/bbidulock/icewm

If you need a menu for it, I am offering a menu script here.

Don't worry, it's not based on aemenu. But it's not an xdg-type menu
either. This menu resides in a single script, so you can't lose its parts. ;)

For those users who are superficial ;), there are exactly 422 themes for it
at https://www.box-look.org/browse/cat/142/ord/latest as of this writing.

Why not give it a try? My 2¢.

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#32 Post by peebee »

Version 17.10.03

Apply delta to 17.10.01 - 17.10.03 iso md5 after generation should be: 0c1dc7f77bcf44a79517122e9c7d0e6f

- yelp improved
- radeon firmware added to fdrv for zigbert
- services disabled for mavrothal
- build improved - some redundant components removed - dependencies satisfied wherever possible ('checkdeps -system' now clean except for expected items)
- some new apps added

I've tried to get an icon for Light in the menu but have failed miserably - I don't really want to change the .sfs build as it is shared with LxPupSc (where the icon appears no problem...)
ImageLxPup = Puppy + LXDE
Main version used daily: LxPupSc; Assembler of UPups, ScPup & ScPup64, LxPup, LxPupSc & LxPupSc64

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#33 Post by bigpup »

zestyPup 17.10.3

Desktop has no icon for trash.
Trash needs to have an icon on the desktop to work properly.
It is the way trash is designed to work.
It has no menu entry by design.

I know people keep trying to make desktops with no icons, but trash has to have one to work.

The trash desktop icon is the only way to put something in trash.
Drag and drop to icon.
Only way to get to trash options.
Right click on desktop trash icon.
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#34 Post by belham2 »

bigpup wrote:zestyPup 17.10.3

Desktop has no icon for trash.
Trash needs to have an icon on the desktop to work properly.
It is the way trash is designed to work.
It has no menu entry by design.

I know people keep trying to make desktops with no icons, but trash has to have one to work. Not entirely true, can be in the tray and not on desktop and still have full trash function

The trash desktop icon is the only way to put something in trash.
Drag and drop to icon.
again, not true, see comment above
Only way to get to trash options.
Right click on desktop trash icon.
Hey Bigpup,

Thought you'd be interested to know you do not need a desktop icon on the desktop itself for trash to work. Same goes for savesession icon. In many of my pups, I safely ensconce them inside either the upper and/or lower tray, so they are off the desktop and never hiiden by anything I have open. And I have full functions and access to them just as if they are on the desktop. Just takes some mods to xinitrc in /root, and a few other simple changes in their commands that open them.
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#35 Post by bigpup »

What about the right click menu?
That is also a feature of the trash icon on the desktop.

Your idea is good, but how is it going to work if you make the tray hide?

The tray would need to be visible all the time.
I like to make the added tray hide, unless you move the mouse pointer to it.

If the tray is visible all the time.
What real difference, is it, just to have a trash desktop icon.
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#36 Post by bigpup »

zestyPup 17.10.3

Login and Security Manager

No programs listed under spot option.
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#37 Post by bigpup »

zestyPup 17.10.3

Sure seems like there are a lot of different programs offered (in the menu) to configure settings.

menu>Desktop
Desktop Settings
JWM DeskManager
Font Manager
Puppy Theme Manager

These two open the same program. (Pup Control)
menu>Setup>Puppy Setup
menu>Utility>Pup Control Panel

Pup Control covers just about everything.

What about having one entry for Pup Control and forget using the others with menu entries :idea:
Run them from Pup Control.
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#38 Post by bigpup »

zestyPup 17.10.3

menu>Utility>Compton

What is this suppose to do?

Seems to do nothing.
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#39 Post by bigpup »

zestyPup 17.10.3

menu>Utility>Java Control Panel

When clicked on get this message.
So, is it really needed at this point with no Java installed?

There is no get Java menu entry this message refers to.
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compton

#40 Post by charlie6 »

Hi Bigpup,
good...morning! :wink:
bigpup wrote:zestyPup 17.10.3

menu>Utility>Compton

What is this suppose to do?

Seems to do nothing.
Discovered this just by clicking on it to see what could happen ... :o
Once compton has been activated in the main menu (just click on the menu entry), the "displaying speed" of applications windows (example: click on the "home" icon in the menu tray bar) is "smoothed", and the outer limit of the window is a bit transparent, and somewhat shadowed.
Do not know how to dectivate it another way than Restart X; or using HTop/F9 ...
(Tryied to explain it with my own words... :? )
Best regards, Charlie
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#41 Post by musher0 »

bigpup wrote:zestyPup 17.10.3

menu>Utility>Compton

What is this suppose to do?

Seems to do nothing.
Hi bigpup.
Compton is a standalone composite manager, suitable for use with
window managers that do not natively provide compositing functionality.
Source : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compton

Compton is a fork of Xcompmgr.
Xcompmgr is a simple composite manager capable of rendering
drop shadows and, with the use of the transset utility, primitive window
transparency. (...)

Because it does not replace any existing window manager, it is an ideal
solution for users of lightweight window managers, seeking a more elegant
desktop.
Source : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xcompmgr

If compton is in the jwm menu, this could mean that the shadow and
transparency effects can be switched on and off, or perhaps there's
access to a configuration panel.

Please see the attached screen shot for an example of what a composite
manager does.

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killall -q compton
in console should do the trick!
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Re: ZestyPup - Alpha build

#42 Post by charlie6 »

Hi peebee,
tons of thanks for this Zesty !
as also to its contributors :) !
peebee wrote:ZestyPup-17.10.03 is ready for download....

Alpha quality - testing required! Thanks go to @zigbert for help with initial bug squashing.

Taking @666philb's configuration files for xenialpup as a starting point (with many thanks)
ZestyPup is a Woof-CE 32-bit pae build using Ubuntu Zesty Zapus (17.04)

/firefox-56.0-lxsc.sfs/download]firefox-56.0-lxsc.sfs[/url]
Have ran ZestyPup-17.10.01 and now running from-delta-re-generated ZestyPup-17.10.03. Using the same pupsave file without issue.
Have installed gtk-3 from PPM .
As also forum member ETP's Magoo + faenza icons themes "for poor eyesight users" :wink:
see (!) here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 335#657335

Have loaded and mounted the firefox-56 sfs ==> sound works OOTB !
...even more ! : doing in a terminal

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# firefox wwwWhateverURL 
works with this distro :o !
what was not the case for me on Xenial; as also on Tahrpup as formely posted here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 029#966029

Seems that Light browser is slower than Firefox to open some websites.

Charlie

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#43 Post by zigbert »

Confirming radeon success.

Thanks!

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#44 Post by bigpup »

zestyPup 17.10.3

menu>Business>Planner

It starts with this error message.
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#45 Post by bigpup »

zestyPup 17.10.3

menu>Business>Xcalc scientific calculator

When clicked on to run it.

X server crashes to the prompt.

Enter xwin gets back to desktop.
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/lib/udev/rules.d/69-wacom.rules for wacom tablets use

#46 Post by charlie6 »

Hi PeeBee,

Have hadd to replace the file
/lib/udev/rules.d/69-wacom.rules
by the following to get the expected behaviour of the wacom tablets cursor
(otherwise, the cursor behaves as a common mouses one)

In attachment: tar.gz compressed files for replacing 69-wacom.rules...
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... either in /lib/udev/rules.d for recent video graphic chips;
or in /etc/udev/rules.d for earlier video graphic chips (especially that :roll: Brookdale 82845G intel VGA chip !).

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# udev rules for wacom tablets.
# These rules were compiled for the Debian GNU/Linux distribution,
# but others may, and indeed are encouraged to, use them also.
#
# Should you do so, PLEASE CO-ORDINATE ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS
# of new devices with Ron <ron@debian.org> so that we can try
# to present users with a standard set of device nodes which
# they can rely on across the board.

# Catch the serial tablets and tell X that's what they are
ACTION=="add|change", SUBSYSTEM=="pnp", ATTR{id}=="WACf*", ENV{NAME}="Serial Wacom Tablet"
ACTION=="add|change", SUBSYSTEM=="pnp", ATTR{id}=="FUJ*", ENV{NAME}="Serial Wacom Tablet"
ACTION=="add|change", SUBSYSTEMS=="pnp", ATTRS{id}=="WACf*", ENV{ID_INPUT}="1", ENV{ID_INPUT_TABLET}="1"
ACTION=="add|change", SUBSYSTEMS=="pnp", ATTRS{id}=="FUJ*", ENV{ID_INPUT}="1", ENV{ID_INPUT_TABLET}="1"

KERNEL!="event[0-9]*", GOTO="wacom_end"

# Port specific link for users of multiple tablets of the same type.
# The ID_PATH variable is set by the "path_id" script in an earlier rule file.
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ENV{ID_PATH}=="?*", SYMLINK="input/by-path/$env{ID_PATH}-wacom"

# Multiple interface support for stylus and touch devices.
DRIVERS=="wacom", ATTRS{bInterfaceNumber}=="00", ENV{WACOM_TYPE}="stylus"
DRIVERS=="wacom", ATTRS{bInterfaceNumber}=="01", ENV{WACOM_TYPE}="touch"

# Type-named links for multiple tablets.  If you want to use multiple
# tablets of the _same_ type, you will probably need to use the links
# from /dev/input/by-path to identify which is plugged into what usb
# port.  For different tablet types though, just pick your links from
# the list below.
#
# We override SYMLINK for tabletpc devices because the by-path link
# is not required with such devices, there will only ever be one.
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0000", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-penpartner"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0003", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-cintiq_partner"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0010", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-graphire"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0011", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-graphire2-4x5"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0012", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-graphire2-5x7"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0013", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-graphire3"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0014", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-graphire3-6x8"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0015", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-graphire4-4x5"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0016", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-graphire4-6x8"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0017", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-bamboofun-4x5"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0018", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-bamboofun-6x8"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0019", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-bamboo1-medium"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0020", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos-4x5"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0021", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos-6x8"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0022", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos-9x12"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0023", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos-12x12"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0024", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos-12x18"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0030", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-pl400"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0031", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-pl500"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0032", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-pl600"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0033", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-pl600sx"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0034", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-pl550"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0035", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-pl800"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0037", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-pl700"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0038", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-pl510"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0039", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-dtu710"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="003f", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-cintiq21ux"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0041", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos2-4x5"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0042", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos2-6x8"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0043", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos2-9x12"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0044", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos2-12x12"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0045", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos2-12x18"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0047", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos2-6x8a"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0060", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-volito"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0061", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-penstation2"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0062", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-volito2-4x5"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0063", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-volito2-2x3"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0064", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-penpartner2"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0065", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-bamboo"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0069", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-bamboo1"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0081", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-graphire_bt-6x8"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0090",  SYMLINK="input/tablet-tpc90"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0093",  SYMLINK="input/tablet-tpc93-$env{WACOM_TYPE}"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="009a",  SYMLINK="input/tablet-tpc9a-$env{WACOM_TYPE}"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00b0", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos3-4x5"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00b1", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos3-6x8"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00b2", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos3-9x12"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00b3", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos3-12x12"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00b4", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos3-12x19"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00b5", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos3-6x11"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00b7", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos3-4x6"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00b8", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos4-4x6"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00b9", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos4-6x9"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00ba", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos4-8x13"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00bb", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-intuos4-12x19"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00c0", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-dtf521"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00c4", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-dtf720"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00c5", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-cintiq20wsx"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00c6", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-cintiq12wx"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="00c7", ENV{WACOM_TYPE}!="touch", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-dtu1931"

# Convenience links for the common case of a single tablet.  We could do just this:
#ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", SYMLINK+="input/wacom-$env{WACOM_TYPE}"
# but for legacy reasons, we keep the input/wacom link as the generic stylus device.
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ENV{WACOM_TYPE}!="touch", SYMLINK+="input/wacom"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ENV{WACOM_TYPE}=="touch", SYMLINK+="input/wacom-touch"

# Check and repossess the device if a module other than the wacom one
# is already bound to it.
#
# We probably don't need this one in the Real World anymore ...
# See the old wacom-tools package if we actually do need to resurrect the
# check_driver script for this again.
#ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ACTION=="add", RUN+="check_driver wacom $devpath $env{ID_BUS}"

LABEL="wacom_end"
This was also noticed on other distros like Tahrpup and Xenialpup.

HTH, charlie
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#47 Post by bigpup »

zestyPup 17.10.3

Rox file manager

Right click on a file and select open with......

Not much offered.

This menu needs updated with more program choices.
Not really anything offered for common file types.

Example:
If you click on an image file.
MtPaint should be an option to open with....
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#48 Post by bigpup »

zestyPup 17.10.3

Why the new names for network interfaces?

Example of my hardware:
Ethernet is named enp4s0.
Wireless is named wlp3s0.

Here is the why info.
https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Softwa ... faceNames/
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Re: /lib/udev/rules.d/69-wacom.rules for wacom tablets use

#49 Post by peebee »

charlie6 wrote:Hi PeeBee,

Have hadd to replace the file
/lib/udev/rules.d/69-wacom.rules
by the following to get the expected behaviour of the wacom tablets cursor
(otherwise, the cursor behaves as a common mouses one)

In attachment: tar.gz compressed files for replacing 69-wacom.rules...
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... either in /lib/udev/rules.d for recent video graphic chips;
or in /etc/udev/rules.d for earlier video graphic chips (especially that :roll: Brookdale 82845G intel VGA chip !).

HTH, charlie
Hi charlie6

Can you provide a .pet that installs this where you want it? Then I can include that .pet in the build - thanks.

Can the 2 locations be satisfied by a symlink?
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#50 Post by peebee »

bigpup wrote:Rox file manager
Right click on a file and select open with......
This menu needs updated with more program choices.
Not really anything offered for common file types.
Hi bigpup
Thanks for all your feedback - appreciated.

Is there a .pet to add Rox right clicks? In LxPupSc what I do is include such a .pet in the build so that people can increase right clicks as an option...

Thanks
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ImageLxPup = Puppy + LXDE
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