ArtfulPup (& Upup-Bionic-Beaver-RC)

[Billtoo]

I applied the delta and did a manual frugal install to the hard drive of my lenovo desktop:

# inxi -bw
System: Host: puppypc26371 Kernel: 4.9.56-lxpup-32-pae i686 (32 bit) Desktop: JWM 2.3.7
Distro: ZestyPup 17.10.12
Machine: Device: desktop System: LENOVO product: 7491B8U v: ThinkCentre M58e serial: MJ01509
Mobo: LENOVO model: N/A serial: INVALID BIOS: LENOVO v: 5HKT39AUS date: 06/17/2009
CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 Duo E8400 (-MCP-) speed/max: 2336/3003 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: X.org 1.19.3 driver: nouveau tty size: 113x24 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card-1: Marvell 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
Card-2: D-Link System AirPlus G DWL-G122 Wireless Adapter(rev.C1) [Ralink RT2571W] driver: rt73usb
Drives: HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (9.2% used)
Weather: Conditions: 70 F (21 C) - Overcast Time: October 15, 11:50 AM EDT
Info: Processes: 168 Uptime: 1:01 Memory: 459.0/4041.4MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.8
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I added applications with PPM, I'm giving the nouveau driver a try this time.

Seems to be working well so far,
Thanks.

[hamoudoudou]

"Open with" was working well with (not will) links cloned from Xenial.
That is true that 'Open With' is poor. The Xenial one is not rich.
Why XenialDog is able to provide more applications keeping the ISO smaller than our Puppies ? Check the useless libs, as Mistfire did with Slacko..
A painter would not paint straight on old layer. Devs should do the same. Just treesize your Puppy will make some evidences.

[peebee]

This Zest pup version is very slow..

Anybody else have this impression?

Certainly running htop in LxPupSc compared to ZestyPup shows that a process running /usr/libexec/Xorg - /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg ..... is consuming a greater amount of cpu power in ZestyPup....
7-10% compared to c.2% - both with kernel 4.9.56 and with 4.13.6 (i.e. same as LxPupSc)

Any thoughts?

[zigbert]

My suggestion to save some space:
The build includes 11 cursor themes of totally 8 Mb.

I think it would be more logical that the global theme package includes the cursors it uses.

[zigbert]

/usr/sbin/pdesktop is deactivated for the jwm-menu. It would be handy to have it available.

[Marv]

This Zest pup version is very slow..

Anybody else have this impression?

Certainly running htop in LxPupSc compared to ZestyPup shows that a process running /usr/libexec/Xorg - /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg ..... is consuming a greater amount of cpu power in ZestyPup....
7-10% compared to c.2% - both with kernel 4.9.56 and with 4.13.6 (i.e. same as LxPupSc)

Any thoughts?

I see pretty much the same numbers for those pups you do using htop, 6% vs 1.5%, on my i5 laptop. That notwithstanding, Zesty actually 'feels' a bit snappier to me on this laptop. Opening programs, menus, general use. DVDs and CDs play stutter free on both, Scrolling in slimjet is pretty much the same etc. glxgears FPS is about 10% slower under Zesty but that varies easily that much from kernel/driver to kernel/driver combo even on same-line pup updates. Not a red flag for me there. Unfortunately my Pentium Ms have all gone to the pound. They'd be a better test of 'slowness'. I wonder what specific hardware and programs or functions feel slow. Interesting, I just looked at time to populate one of my image directories with thumbnails. Always starting with nothing cached. pcmanfm on lxpupsc 17.10.22 = 5 seconds. pcmanfm and roxfiler on zesty 17.10.12 both = 3 seconds. Zesty, once through the theme teething, feels snug and quick to me.

[belham2]

This Zest pup version is very slow..

Anybody else have this impression?

Certainly running htop in LxPupSc compared to ZestyPup shows that a process running /usr/libexec/Xorg - /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg ..... is consuming a greater amount of cpu power in ZestyPup....
7-10% compared to c.2% - both with kernel 4.9.56 and with 4.13.6 (i.e. same as LxPupSc)

Any thoughts?

Zestypup, slow? Not here it is not (on both desktops and this old core i3 laptop). The max I have seen with Htop on /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg is 6%, and more usually it is 4-5%. On LxPupSc, same thing, it hovers between 4-6%. Plus, even with one Zesty frugal install running Radky's FbBox, and another running Battleshooter's XFCE, and the last a pure pristine Zesty, they are all snappy & programs open and run just as fast as any of my other pups & Ddogs. So I am not sure where hamou's comment that "this Zesty Pup version is slow...." is coming from. Given the b!tching display he put on concerning the browser, count me as a little circumspect. I think you've done a great job with this, Peebee. It's hard for me to believe, though, that by Jan/Feb '18, Ubuntu is going to ditch Zesty all together. Stuff moves like a hurricane nowadays.

[bigpup]

Unless you can find something that is not needed being loaded into memory and using CPU.

Does anyone really understand how these multi-core processors are being used in Linux and Puppy?

I would not worry about minor speed differences between Puppy versions.

Keep in mind with new improvements to Puppy core programs.
Their size changes.
Supporting software size changes.
Kernel improvements usually require size changes.
Memory and CPU usage changes.

/usr/libexec/Xorg is dealing with the graphics resources.
A lot of stuff can affect that.
Graphics driver.
Running programs graphics demands.
Graphics settings that display stuff.
Etc....

Do wonder, when Light browser is running, seems to be a lot of /usr/libexec/Xorg entries in Htop.


It was not long ago that a internet browser would startup in 1 or 2 seconds.
Those new bloated things now take 5, 6 or more seconds to startup.

Hardware is always the big speed controller.

[Billtoo]

I got rid of the kernel sources devx mismatch error when installing the proprietary Nvidia driver by compiling the 4.9.56 kernel from Zestypup.

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Sun 15 Oct 2017 on ZestyPup 17.10.12 Linux 4.9.56-pae i686
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1)

X Server: Xorg Driver: evdev
X.Org version: 1.19.3
dimensions: 3840x1080 pixels (1049x292 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GT 430/PCIe/SSE2
OpenGL core profile version string: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 387.12

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz
Core 0: @2003 1: @2003 MHz

For my own use only,no offence intended.

Thanks.

[hamoudoudou]

Don't change what i said, please.. I said the last version is slow. Slow means that a picture does not appear immediatly, but by a scrolling. pixels coming slow , very slow. as audio was on You Tube..
The question is why ? belham answer is that is not true.. ???
I suppose the kernel is the reason. (Suppose)
My feedback can be ignored. That is for you. I am back to the first version, without the icon for U-light, and this odd JWM some of you don't like.
I was just testing Zesty.. XenialDog will remain active still not a Puppy able to do as easy.
Ubuntu as seasonal names (6months ) between LTS versions.. Zesty, unicorm, vivid... Sometimes a season has no change, or changes about unity, not used by Puppy.
My interest in Zesty was coming back to FFMpeg..
There are 50MB useless (for 3D) None app runs with 3D excepted Bino.(50MB = 18MB less in the ISO)

[bigpup]

This Zest pup version is very slow.. Kernel has been changed.

Need computer specs.
How installed?
Installed on what data storage device?
Specific version of Zestypup?
Zestypup is a fresh clean install and nothing has been added!

Specific details on doing something that seems slow.
The details need to specifically say what is being done, so we can try to reproduce your results.

Example:
Navigating in Rox.
Changing to different directories.

Slow means that a picture does not appear immediatly, but by a scrolling. pixels coming slow , very slow.

What picture?
Doing what?
Etc.....

[Robert123]

Don't change what i said, please.. I said the last version is slow. Slow means that a picture does not appear immediatly, but by a scrolling. pixels coming slow , very slow. as audio was on You Tube..
The question is why ? belham answer is that is not true.. ???
I suppose the kernel is the reason. (Suppose)
My feedback can be ignored. That is for you. I am back to the first version, without the icon for U-light, and this odd JWM some of you don't like.
I was just testing Zesty.. XenialDog will remain active still not a Puppy able to do as easy.
Ubuntu as seasonal names (6months ) between LTS versions.. Zesty, unicorm, vivid... Sometimes a season has no change, or changes about unity, not used by Puppy.
My interest in Zesty was coming back to FFMpeg..
There are 50MB useless (for 3D) None app runs with 3D excepted Bino.(50MB = 18MB less in the ISO)

hamoudoudou are you Pelo? Because you post just like him.

[josepinto]

Hi,
- unable to change to on demand
-unable to set scaling using either 0.8x or 1.2.
Thanks,

The intel pstate is enabled in this kernel. If you have intel hardware it takes precedence over acpi_cpufreq and won't let you set a governor using the acpi_cpufreq driver. You can pass

Code: Select all

intel_pstate=disable

as a kernel parameter and reboot. That disables the intel driver and then you can set governors normally. I'm guessing you have an intel cpu, right?

Hi Marv,
Yes, Core I5.
In terms of performance, wich is best, to mantain the intel driver or to disable it?

[hamoudoudou]

Bigpup, as audio garbled or not working with Firefox or Light, i will wait for more users to feed back slowness of zesty 17.10.11. (Speed was ok on first version Kernel 4.9.50)
I have re-installed first version, until new events posted here, about this matter.

pet (37k) has been enough to get videos you tube play as they should.° with Light, the browse provided in Zesty) Mini lib, maximum bug..

Puppylinux-jp blogspot

[Marv]

Hi,
- unable to change to on demand
-unable to set scaling using either 0.8x or 1.2.
Thanks,

The intel pstate is enabled in this kernel. If you have intel hardware it takes precedence over acpi_cpufreq and won't let you set a governor using the acpi_cpufreq driver. You can pass

Code: Select all

intel_pstate=disable

as a kernel parameter and reboot. That disables the intel driver and then you can set governors normally. I'm guessing you have an intel cpu, right?

Hi Marv,
Yes, Core I5.
In terms of performance, wich is best, to mantain the intel driver or to disable it?

The i5s 25xx (2nd gen) are right on the cusp. Anything older, clearly disable it and use the acpi_cpufreq. Newer, the intel_pstate seems to do an ok job, especially with the newest 4.13.x kernels. I have looked at benchmarks (Phoronix has a pretty good set) and watched the CPU freqs while tasking and personally prefer disabling it and using the acpi_cpufreq schedutil governor if available or the conservative one otherwise on all my machines. Both are much more gradual in their speed control than ondemand which is pretty much a full slow or full fast switch with load.

+@peebee I had a wcpufreq with an advisory message on this issue included in it out for testing here. Got some downloads but no feedback so I haven't done anything on it. It might forestall some questions in the long run.

[peebee]

17.10.14 delta brings:

- PupControl customisation
- some further PTheme tweaks from @zigbert in woof-ce

- couple of additions to menu
- wpa_supplicant update

[Billtoo]

I applied the delta, did a manual frugal install to a 16gb flash drive,
did basic setup and rebooted creating the save file, changed kernels
then rebooted and did more setup.

# inxi -bw
System: Host: puppypc18773 Kernel: 4.9.56-pae i686 (32 bit) Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 Distro: ZestyPup 17.10.13
Machine: Device: desktop System: HP product: 260-p029 serial: CNV6240BWP
Mobo: HP model: 81B4 v: 01 serial: PFPSK0BWJ301LW UEFI [Legacy]: AMI v: F.04 date: 05/10/2016
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i3-6100T (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 800/3101 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel HD Graphics 530
Display Server: X.org 1.19.3 driver: intel tty size: 121x22 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Card-2: Realtek RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter driver: rtl8723be
Drives: HDD Total Size: 1031.7GB (0.3% used)
Weather: Conditions: 30 F (-1 C) - Partly Cloudy Time: October 17, 2:43 AM EDT
Info: Processes: 197 Uptime: 1:34 Memory: 212.9/3898.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.8
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No problems to report so far.
Thanks.
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EDIT: I installed arandr from PPM and connected a second monitor.

[belham2]

Delta 17.10.13 applied, all is good here as my orange-themed ZestyRadky-killer-pumpkin-descending-planet comes along

P.S. oooh, peebee, new desktop trash icon...gracias

[belham2]

....and all is working equally good on my ZestypupXFCE with the 17.10.13 delta applied. Zesty is da bee's knees, Peebee!

[belham2]

17.10.14 delta brings:

- PupControl customisation
- some further PTheme tweaks from @zigbert in woof-ce

- couple of additions to menu
- wpa_supplicant update

Thanks, Peebee. Delta 17.10.14 applied and looks good so far. Relief that Zesty and the DDogs are now patched concerning the wpa-Supplicant issue. I'm a sprinting to keep up with ya, baby! But it sure is appreciated how you stay on top of your releases