I have had some bad experience with updating items from "Update Notices." which basically left me having to reinstall.
What is the general consensus with regards to updating?
My main concern is with Firefox as the FF update manager does not see any updates telling me that on the default channel I'm up to date at 52.1.2 but as you can see from slackware the latest is 52.3.
Regards
When & what to update in Puppy?
When & what to update in Puppy?
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Hi solex,
See this post: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 464#965464
If you have a built-in application, such as firefox, and load an SFS, the SFS will overwrite in RAM the older version. Under Puppy's 'merge-file-system' what that means is that it will use the SFS and ignore the 'builtin'.
However, if you've installed a pet --made it a part of your SaveFile/Folder, the SFS will be ignored. What you have in your SaveFile/Folder has priority over everything else. Another reason to use --when possible-- SFSes rather than install applications.
The 'when possible' is mentioned because some applications require a 'frame-work' like python and its SFS may include them. But the included framework within an SFS has a lower priority than the version of the framework included in any installed pet or builtin by the Puppy's developer.
mikeslr
See this post: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 464#965464
If you have a built-in application, such as firefox, and load an SFS, the SFS will overwrite in RAM the older version. Under Puppy's 'merge-file-system' what that means is that it will use the SFS and ignore the 'builtin'.
However, if you've installed a pet --made it a part of your SaveFile/Folder, the SFS will be ignored. What you have in your SaveFile/Folder has priority over everything else. Another reason to use --when possible-- SFSes rather than install applications.
The 'when possible' is mentioned because some applications require a 'frame-work' like python and its SFS may include them. But the included framework within an SFS has a lower priority than the version of the framework included in any installed pet or builtin by the Puppy's developer.
mikeslr
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First always, always, always tell us the exact Puppy version you are using.
I will assume you are using one of the Slacko versions, because Slacko has the update notifier you posted a picture of.
This "Updates Notices" program was a good idea.
In practice not so good.
The stuff it offers is from Slackware repositories and this is stuff compiled for Slackware.
Slacko used stuff from Slackware as it's core common Linux files, but Slacko is still very much Puppy.
Most of the time the stuff listed as updates will work OK.
However, sometimes something is just too much pure Slackware and not common Linux.
In general, for Puppy Linux, follow the rule.
If it is not broken do not try to fix it!
Internet Browsers are the one program that seem to constantly need to be updated.
This "Updates Notices" program works very good for getting the latest version of Firefox for Slacko.
I will assume you are using one of the Slacko versions, because Slacko has the update notifier you posted a picture of.
This "Updates Notices" program was a good idea.
In practice not so good.
The stuff it offers is from Slackware repositories and this is stuff compiled for Slackware.
Slacko used stuff from Slackware as it's core common Linux files, but Slacko is still very much Puppy.
Most of the time the stuff listed as updates will work OK.
However, sometimes something is just too much pure Slackware and not common Linux.
In general, for Puppy Linux, follow the rule.
If it is not broken do not try to fix it!
Internet Browsers are the one program that seem to constantly need to be updated.
This "Updates Notices" program works very good for getting the latest version of Firefox for Slacko.
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The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
I have had some bad experience with updating items from "Update Notices." which basically left me having to reinstall.
You probably updated something that needed another program or file updated first before it can be updated.
"Update Notices." will not tell you that.
It only tells you there is a newer version of something.
"Update Notices." is a new idea for Puppy. As you can see, still needs a little tweaking to make it 100%.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Hi again solex,
One of the reason I recommend using SFSes when possible is that updating applications by installing them to your SaveFile/Folder can create other problems. See for example the 'no sound without pulseaudio' discussed on this firefox thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 907#959907
Additionally, if updating firefox isn't currently essential, I'd wait a bit until the smoke clears and all the pieces have fallen into place. See this thread: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 764#961764.
MikesLr
One of the reason I recommend using SFSes when possible is that updating applications by installing them to your SaveFile/Folder can create other problems. See for example the 'no sound without pulseaudio' discussed on this firefox thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 907#959907
Additionally, if updating firefox isn't currently essential, I'd wait a bit until the smoke clears and all the pieces have fallen into place. See this thread: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 764#961764.
MikesLr
So we should use SFS for firefox instead of Pet ??
Do they update themselves automatically too?
I've been using .pets for a long time now so I'm wondering if I should use SFS at least for firefox
Do they update themselves automatically too?
I've been using .pets for a long time now so I'm wondering if I should use SFS at least for firefox
Main puppy used : LxPup tahr.
[url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=97623]Multiple package installer/remover.[/url]
[url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=97623]Multiple package installer/remover.[/url]
Pets or SFS packages are still installing the program.
They just do it in different ways.
If the person that made the SFS package of a program, did it correctly, it should have a better chance of working.
Correctly made, it will contain all that is needed by the program.
Key is if they made it correctly.
The common problem, they both have, is what version or versions of Puppy were they made to work on.
Slacko64 Puppy 6.9.9.9 is still a Puppy in development and it is not going to be perfect.
If all the bugs ever get worked out it is going to be Slacko 7.0
Should you be using it?
Sure, but do not expect it to be 100% perfect.
One thing about Firefox and letting it auto update.
I would set it to notify you of an update.
You update it when you are controlling the update.
I just know that always gives me the best results when updating Firefox.
Example:
They just do it in different ways.
If the person that made the SFS package of a program, did it correctly, it should have a better chance of working.
Correctly made, it will contain all that is needed by the program.
Key is if they made it correctly.
The common problem, they both have, is what version or versions of Puppy were they made to work on.
Slacko64 Puppy 6.9.9.9 is still a Puppy in development and it is not going to be perfect.
If all the bugs ever get worked out it is going to be Slacko 7.0
Should you be using it?
Sure, but do not expect it to be 100% perfect.
One thing about Firefox and letting it auto update.
I would set it to notify you of an update.
You update it when you are controlling the update.
I just know that always gives me the best results when updating Firefox.
Example:
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The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Hi totolanio,
I guess I deleted too much.
I had written about using fredx181's Firefox Quantum (57.0.1) portable with apulse All-in (includes apulse), available here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 010#978010. I run the 64-bit version in XenialPup64. But the 32-bit version didn't start in Slacko 5.7.
mikesLr
I guess I deleted too much.
I had written about using fredx181's Firefox Quantum (57.0.1) portable with apulse All-in (includes apulse), available here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 010#978010. I run the 64-bit version in XenialPup64. But the 32-bit version didn't start in Slacko 5.7.
mikesLr
