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When & what to update in Puppy?
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solex

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Sep 2017, 12:04    Post subject:  When & what to update in Puppy?  

I have had some bad experience with updating items from "Update Notices." which basically left me having to reinstall.

What is the general consensus with regards to updating?

My main concern is with Firefox as the FF update manager does not see any updates telling me that on the default channel I'm up to date at 52.1.2 but as you can see from slackware the latest is 52.3.

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mikeslr


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Sep 2017, 12:40    Post subject:  

Hi solex,

See this post: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=965464#965464

If you have a built-in application, such as firefox, and load an SFS, the SFS will overwrite in RAM the older version. Under Puppy's 'merge-file-system' what that means is that it will use the SFS and ignore the 'builtin'.

However, if you've installed a pet --made it a part of your SaveFile/Folder, the SFS will be ignored. What you have in your SaveFile/Folder has priority over everything else. Another reason to use --when possible-- SFSes rather than install applications.

The 'when possible' is mentioned because some applications require a 'frame-work' like python and its SFS may include them. But the included framework within an SFS has a lower priority than the version of the framework included in any installed pet or builtin by the Puppy's developer.

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Sep 2017, 12:47    Post subject:  

First always, always, always tell us the exact Puppy version you are using.

I will assume you are using one of the Slacko versions, because Slacko has the update notifier you posted a picture of.

This "Updates Notices" program was a good idea.
In practice not so good.
The stuff it offers is from Slackware repositories and this is stuff compiled for Slackware.
Slacko used stuff from Slackware as it's core common Linux files, but Slacko is still very much Puppy.

Most of the time the stuff listed as updates will work OK.
However, sometimes something is just too much pure Slackware and not common Linux.

In general, for Puppy Linux, follow the rule.
If it is not broken do not try to fix it!

Internet Browsers are the one program that seem to constantly need to be updated.

This "Updates Notices" program works very good for getting the latest version of Firefox for Slacko.

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Sep 2017, 12:56    Post subject:  

Quote:
I have had some bad experience with updating items from "Update Notices." which basically left me having to reinstall.

You probably updated something that needed another program or file updated first before it can be updated.
"Update Notices." will not tell you that.
It only tells you there is a newer version of something.

"Update Notices." is a new idea for Puppy. As you can see, still needs a little tweaking to make it 100%.

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solex

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Sep 2017, 14:23    Post subject:  

Thank you for the responses

Sorry about missing the version I'm running

Distro: Slacko64 Puppy 6.9.9.9
Window Manager: JWM v2.3.2
Desktop Start: xwin jwm

So I can upgrade Firefox to the latest version?
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Sep 2017, 14:37    Post subject:  

Hi again solex,

One of the reason I recommend using SFSes when possible is that updating applications by installing them to your SaveFile/Folder can create other problems. See for example the 'no sound without pulseaudio' discussed on this firefox thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=959907#959907

Additionally, if updating firefox isn't currently essential, I'd wait a bit until the smoke clears and all the pieces have fallen into place. See this thread: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=961764#961764.

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