Oh, I see, haven't tried that. There must be a place for fiddling with the key bindings, like the old mprc?L18L wrote:That was using a standard external keyboard.L18L wrote:Then compiled 5.2.10No problem here:The reason that I did not use that version, is could not figure out how to fix the <home> and <end> keys. They did not move the cursor to beginning and end of a line.
Key labelled "Ende" moves cursor to end of line
Key labelled "Pos1" moves cursor to beginning of line
without any configuration, OOTB.
With my convertible Acer Aspire R3-131T I had to hold additionally Fn key (the key between Ctrl and window)
SOLVED?
Quirky Pyro64 version 0.6 (alpha) -- and Pyro32 0.5
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Re: Ye olde Minimum Profit
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Re: Ye olde Minimum Profit
There is: /usr/share/doc/mp-5/index.htmlBarryK wrote:There must be a place for fiddling with the key bindings, like the old mprc?
and I have found $HOME/.mprc
EDIT
.. and there is also a menu
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Ye olde Minimum Profit
mp-5 is really nice under X.
But without X, Ctrl Alt F2, (we do need it in console mode for configuring X) I get:
But without X, Ctrl Alt F2, (we do need it in console mode for configuring X) I get:
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mp-5
No usable driver found: exiting.
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I don't think that $HOME/.mprc works with the mp 5.x series, only the 3.x series.L18L wrote:There is: /usr/share/doc/mp-5/index.htmlBarryK wrote:There must be a place for fiddling with the key bindings, like the old mprc?
and I have found $HOME/.mprc
EDIT
.. and there is also a menu
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Re: Ye olde Minimum Profit
Yes I see, you are right.BarryK wrote:I don't think that $HOME/.mprc works with the mp 5.x series, only the 3.x series.
Maybe this is just because my wrong configurationBut without X, Ctrl Alt F2, (we do need it in console mode for configuring X) I get:
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mp-5
No usable driver found: exiting.
Fatdog has mp-5.2.8
Tested OK.mp: This editor in this package can use terminal or gtk.
But translations (in all versions) is a night mare
They have minimum-profit.mo
and seem to use only mpsl files in /usr/share/mp5/lang
e.g. de.mpsl
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/* Built by po2mpsl - Don't modify, change the .po file instead */
__I18N__ = {
"" => "Project-Id-Version: Minimum Profit\nReport-Msgid-Bugs-To: \nPOT-Creation-Date: 2006-01-11 06:09+0100\nPO-Revision-Date: 2006-05-28 13:19+0100\nLast-Translator: Ronny Steiner <Post@SIRSteiner.de>\nLanguage-Team: \nMIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n",
"&File" => "&Datei",
"&Edit" => "&Bearbeiten",
use symlink mp-5 to minimum-profit
and got po and mo updated
but .mo is not used by the program.
No more wondering why they do not have more languages translated
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Quirky Pyro64 version 0.2 (alpha)
Thought I share this, too.....
Remember, this is for the famous poulsbo graphics (read more at http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/mor ... -community from 2009, but puppy is for Old computers, isn't it) which does need boot cmdline parameter:
drm_kms_helper.edid_firmware=edid/<bult-in or home made>
In the past I was stuck with the resolution from that boot parameter.
So I have been trying a "home made" EDID file.
Using get-edid: ...and I had some fun.
A solution was found on the web using python.
Used it just to see that a "home made" EDID file works.
Wrote a shell script get-edid.sh
Used it just to see that this "home made" EDID file also works.
It worked,
but with the one resolution only,
no change of resolution seemed to be possible.
Then I unplugged VGA cable and used HDMI, success!
Tested also in Fatdog64 switching resolutions with zarfy.
At last I changed back to boot with built-in EDID file
and
guess what ?
No home made EDID file needed at all. (and no get-edid.sh uploaded)
Remember, this is for the famous poulsbo graphics (read more at http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/mor ... -community from 2009, but puppy is for Old computers, isn't it) which does need boot cmdline parameter:
drm_kms_helper.edid_firmware=edid/<bult-in or home made>
In the past I was stuck with the resolution from that boot parameter.
So I have been trying a "home made" EDID file.
Using get-edid:
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# get-edid
This is read-edid version 3.0.1. Prepare for some fun.
Attempting to use i2c interface
Looks like no busses have an EDID. Sorry!
Attempting to use the classical VBE interface
Illegal instruction
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A solution was found on the web using python.
Used it just to see that a "home made" EDID file works.
Wrote a shell script get-edid.sh
Used it just to see that this "home made" EDID file also works.
It worked,
but with the one resolution only,
no change of resolution seemed to be possible.
Then I unplugged VGA cable and used HDMI, success!
Tested also in Fatdog64 switching resolutions with zarfy.
At last I changed back to boot with built-in EDID file
and
guess what ?
No home made EDID file needed at all. (and no get-edid.sh uploaded)
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Re: Quirky Pyro64 version 0.2 (alpha)
Anyway, here it is: my get-edid.sh. Maybe it will become useful.L18L wrote:No home made EDID file needed at all. (and no get-edid.sh uploaded)
not at: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=get-edid
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Note to L18L
I tried your script on fatdog64
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reference info
https://software.intel.com/en-us/articl ... l-graphics
https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index. ... 44465.html
https://www.x.org/wiki/FAQVideoModes/
I tried your script on fatdog64
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# ./get-edid.sh
Hit ENTER to close this window
EDID:
00ffffffffffff0022f08c3101010101
0b19010368331d782ae595a656529d27
105054a10800d1c081c0a9c0b3009500
818081000101023a801871382d40582c
4500fd1e1100001e000000fd00323c1e
5011000a202020202020000000fc0048
5020323378770a2020202020000000ff
0036434d353131305a4c370a202000ab
tail is not 0005; aborted.
reference info
https://software.intel.com/en-us/articl ... l-graphics
https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index. ... 44465.html
https://www.x.org/wiki/FAQVideoModes/
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get-edid.sh
Thank you for trying that scriptdon570 wrote:I tried your script on fatdog64__________________________________________________Code: Select all
# ./get-edid.sh Hit ENTER to close this window EDID: 00ffffffffffff0022f08c3101010101 0b19010368331d782ae595a656529d27 105054a10800d1c081c0a9c0b3009500 818081000101023a801871382d40582c 4500fd1e1100001e000000fd00323c1e 5011000a202020202020000000fc0048 5020323378770a2020202020000000ff 0036434d353131305a4c370a202000ab tail is not 0005; aborted.
reference info
https://software.intel.com/en-us/articl ... l-graphics
https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index. ... 44465.html
https://www.x.org/wiki/FAQVideoModes/
That check_tail is completely false (nobody is perfect )
Please get rid of it by commenting that line:
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# check tail
#[[ "${EDIDhex:252:4}" = "0005" ]] || die "tail is not 0005"
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Me don't need no
custom resolution
We don't need no
myEDID
not at first boot
Thanks for your bug report and for thereference info
I think that especially /software.intel.com is stuff for BarryK (I am just a hacker)
EDIT
https://software.intel.com/en-us/articl ... l-graphics wrote:
Of course, now that I have, it's entirely possible the Intel chipset software guys will come up with an easier way.
Or the fatdog quirky and puppy guys are comig up
Hi, when you get to it I'm taking it you'll add pyro64 somewhere here.
However, i'm wondering;
With all the new book-sized notebooks with 10" Touch Screens coming out with Atom low power processors but still only 2gig of ram still (saves a control chip and space on the mboard, which is now a premium), and using ssd instead of a HD, plus with only win10 32bit being installed even though the atoms are usually 64bit (processors are but some of the interface hardware is only 32bit), if it's time to think of a x86 32bit puppy again, and with oe being capable of x86 as well as x86-64, well....
Maybe a Quirky Pyro32 would be better than a Pyro64 for at least the low end of these?
I'd also like to see a ISO package again unless someone would like the challange of creating a Generic .img to .iso utility application.
regards
scsijon
However, i'm wondering;
With all the new book-sized notebooks with 10" Touch Screens coming out with Atom low power processors but still only 2gig of ram still (saves a control chip and space on the mboard, which is now a premium), and using ssd instead of a HD, plus with only win10 32bit being installed even though the atoms are usually 64bit (processors are but some of the interface hardware is only 32bit), if it's time to think of a x86 32bit puppy again, and with oe being capable of x86 as well as x86-64, well....
Maybe a Quirky Pyro32 would be better than a Pyro64 for at least the low end of these?
I'd also like to see a ISO package again unless someone would like the challange of creating a Generic .img to .iso utility application.
regards
scsijon
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I am surprised that notebooks with win10 32-bit are still being released. I thought that that was long-gone.scsijon wrote:Hi, when you get to it I'm taking it you'll add pyro64 somewhere here.
However, i'm wondering;
With all the new book-sized notebooks with 10" Touch Screens coming out with Atom low power processors but still only 2gig of ram still (saves a control chip and space on the mboard, which is now a premium), and using ssd instead of a HD, plus with only win10 32bit being installed even though the atoms are usually 64bit (processors are but some of the interface hardware is only 32bit), if it's time to think of a x86 32bit puppy again, and with oe being capable of x86 as well as x86-64, well....
Maybe a Quirky Pyro32 would be better than a Pyro64 for at least the low end of these?
I'd also like to see a ISO package again unless someone would like the challange of creating a Generic .img to .iso utility application.
regards
scsijon
But, there is no need for a pyro32 if the cpu supports 64-bit. Though, if the UEFI-firmware is 32-bit, that might be a problem.
I could build a pyro64 that will boot on either 32-bit or 64-bit UEFI-firmware, I think.
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Hi,BarryK wrote:I am surprised that notebooks with win10 32-bit are still being released. I thought that that was long-gone.scsijon wrote:Hi, when you get to it I'm taking it you'll add pyro64 somewhere here.
However, i'm wondering;
With all the new book-sized notebooks with 10" Touch Screens coming out with Atom low power processors but still only 2gig of ram still (saves a control chip and space on the mboard, which is now a premium), and using ssd instead of a HD, plus with only win10 32bit being installed even though the atoms are usually 64bit (processors are but some of the interface hardware is only 32bit), if it's time to think of a x86 32bit puppy again, and with oe being capable of x86 as well as x86-64, well....
Maybe a Quirky Pyro32 would be better than a Pyro64 for at least the low end of these?
I'd also like to see a ISO package again unless someone would like the challange of creating a Generic .img to .iso utility application.
regards
scsijon
But, there is no need for a pyro32 if the cpu supports 64-bit. Though, if the UEFI-firmware is 32-bit, that might be a problem.
I could build a pyro64 that will boot on either 32-bit or 64-bit UEFI-firmware, I think.
Having a 'look' at two of the newies this afternoon (while in adelaide) and pre-public release late next month, and the only thing that seems 64bit is the cpu, everything else is 32bit framed including the chipsets and windows uefi. And their definately running windows10-32bit. Their both with only 2gig of ram too so I wonder if their just using up component sets.
Not sure how this will affect you, but as their 'framed' for the Secondary/TAFE/University in-classroom market......, but I think it should be considered.
You asked for packages for pyro64 as pet's / sfs's?
Maybe for those of us that don't use seamonkey, include thunderbird for mail?;
Add tupi2d magic (small and simple to use 2d animation package) and it's extensions/plugins for inkscape, (they are all on sourceforge). It's that easy to use a 10yr old can quickly learn to use it; I'm also still looking for a good stable standalone 3D wire-animation package to replace eion from (siag);
Add filezilla for large number of packages transfers;
Add qt5 as a standalone .sfs, there is an awfull lot of good packages that need qt to run;
Add src2pkg so anyone can at least try to build simple pets. Sometimes it works and sometimes not nowadays, I suspect it's internal vs external package versions or a path problem, maybe amigo could be asked to see if he can fix it for pyro64 as he created it;
And a request, can we have a menu item called Development added, usefull for our dev tools to live in and could be also used for test runs if packages and the like to see if they work before a completely built package/packageset into the 'live' tree.
Mind you i'd also love to be able to tie these last two to use a chroot and isolated in their own partition/x.sfs, but that would take some rework;
Also have a look at Flatpak (.org), code on github. It looks slimilar to androids system, both a package maintainer and building base in one. LGPL-2.1.
And that should be enough of a headache from me. I hope to be back at my T2 building in a fortnight, i'll upload all built packages to my site as first step in case they are of use to anyone else.
Add tupi2d magic (small and simple to use 2d animation package) and it's extensions/plugins for inkscape, (they are all on sourceforge). It's that easy to use a 10yr old can quickly learn to use it; I'm also still looking for a good stable standalone 3D wire-animation package to replace eion from (siag);
Add filezilla for large number of packages transfers;
Add qt5 as a standalone .sfs, there is an awfull lot of good packages that need qt to run;
Add src2pkg so anyone can at least try to build simple pets. Sometimes it works and sometimes not nowadays, I suspect it's internal vs external package versions or a path problem, maybe amigo could be asked to see if he can fix it for pyro64 as he created it;
And a request, can we have a menu item called Development added, usefull for our dev tools to live in and could be also used for test runs if packages and the like to see if they work before a completely built package/packageset into the 'live' tree.
Mind you i'd also love to be able to tie these last two to use a chroot and isolated in their own partition/x.sfs, but that would take some rework;
Also have a look at Flatpak (.org), code on github. It looks slimilar to androids system, both a package maintainer and building base in one. LGPL-2.1.
And that should be enough of a headache from me. I hope to be back at my T2 building in a fortnight, i'll upload all built packages to my site as first step in case they are of use to anyone else.
You asked for packages for pyro64
You asked for packages for pyro64...
An appimage version of mypaint is available HERE
however I can't get it
to use the external app feature.
https://github.com/mypaint/mypaint/comm ... 7092112d01
https://community.mypaint.org/t/how-to- ... indows/120
https://community.mypaint.org/t/using-e ... h-gimp/314
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An appimage version of mypaint is available HERE
however I can't get it
to use the external app feature.
https://github.com/mypaint/mypaint/comm ... 7092112d01
https://community.mypaint.org/t/how-to- ... indows/120
https://community.mypaint.org/t/using-e ... h-gimp/314
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Quirky Pyro64 version 0.5 is out.
Announcement and d/l links here:
http://bkhome.org/news/201710/quirky-py ... eased.html
Ah, it has propagated through to nluug:
https://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/qui ... /pyro-0.5/
Announcement and d/l links here:
http://bkhome.org/news/201710/quirky-py ... eased.html
Ah, it has propagated through to nluug:
https://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/qui ... /pyro-0.5/
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Perfect! .iso runs as a liveCD, no saves, BIOS machines, albeit time to make a cup of tea whilst it boots. The usually 'silent' majority may be hoping for a true 32bit live version for BIOS machines, as indicated in the recent Distrowatch Poll and Comments! Only a tiny minority of operators in the rich nations are messin' with tomorrow's UEFI/Secure Boot 8-core, 8Gb plastic tat in a fancy carry-case? 32bit runs on 64bit, the reverse isn't true...
Frugal install to internal HDD
Not had any luck with a full install though. Tried it with the installer script, and later using the universal installer from the frugal install. Booting with Grub4dos with the generated menu entry. It finds the kernel then hangs.
Also, the devx pet will not load. Tried via PPM and also a manual download, but it complains that there is not enough space (there is plenty).
Network (wifi), and sound working correctly, although wifi not connecting automatically on bootup.
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Product Name: XPS M1530
Motherboard Vendor: Dell Inc.
Product Name: 0XR148
BIOS Vendor: Dell Inc.
Version: A12
Release Date: 11/19/2008
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00GHz
Memory Allocation:
Total RAM: 2006 MB
Xorg Startup Log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
+ Xorg Driver in use: nouveau
+ Loaded Modules: dbe dri2 evdev exa extmod fb fbdevhw glx shadowfb synaptics
+ X.Org version: 1.19.1
VGA controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G84M [GeForce 8600M GT] [10de:0407] (rev a1)
+ Kernel Driver: nouveau
+ Memory Used by Driver: 1328.00 KB
+ Video RAM: 256M
Also, the devx pet will not load. Tried via PPM and also a manual download, but it complains that there is not enough space (there is plenty).
Network (wifi), and sound working correctly, although wifi not connecting automatically on bootup.
Decided to try the live cd as well.Looking good so I'll explore more later.
Wouldn't mind a 32 bit version as well because I'm still running a lot of old hardware too.
Wouldn't mind a 32 bit version as well because I'm still running a lot of old hardware too.
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# inxi -Fxx
Resuming in non X mode: glxinfo not found. For package install advice run: inxi --recommends
System: Host: puppypc28884 Kernel: 4.13.9 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 6.3.0)
Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 dm: N/A Distro: Quirky 0.5 pyro64
Machine: Device: desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: M5A97 LE R2.0 v: Rev 1.xx serial: 150545593600028
UEFI: American Megatrends v: 2601 date: 03/24/2015
CPU: Hexa core AMD FX-6300 Six-Core (-MCP-) cache: 12288 KB
flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 42162
clock speeds: min/max: 1400/3500 MHz 1: 3512 MHz 2: 3512 MHz
3: 3512 MHz 4: 3512 MHz 5: 3512 MHz 6: 3512 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0a65
Display Server: X.org 1.19.1 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,nv,vesa)
tty size: 80x24 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio: Card-1 NVIDIA High Definition Audio Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 10de:0be3
Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2 chip-ID: 1002:4383
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.9
Network: Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d000
bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full
mac: 1c:87:2c:5a:bb:e2
Drives: HDD Total Size: 1120.2GB (0.7% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: KINGSTON_SV300S3 size: 120.0GB
serial: 50026B7256076A16
ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD10EZEX size: 1000.2GB
serial: WD-WCC3F6XAKRLY
Partition: ID-1: swap-1 size: 8.60GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdb5
RAID: System: supported: raid0
No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Unused Devices: none
Sensors: None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info: Processes: 111 Uptime: 11 min Memory: 235.9/15963.7MB
Init: SysVinit v: N/A runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: N/A
Client: Shell (bash 4.3.461 running in sakura) inxi: 2.3.8
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# free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 16346844 871476 15475368 335164 74652 560428
-/+ buffers/cache: 236396 16110448
Swap: 8396796 0 8396796
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