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Pelo

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Sep 2017, 20:23    Post subject: Release candidate kernel 3.16.43 Laptops & wireless
Subject description: 64 bits done, 32 bits now : unchain your laptops !
 

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No answer about removing Alexandra from the menu.. app tested and removed.
I will post in bugs topic, for an answer.

Screenshot below, not a bug, but feed back about dongles; Previous versions were not providing wireless if a pet by rcrsn 51 not added.
You develop inside, in summers and winters. We use our laptops outside, mainly on holidays, if sun is shining and some wifi point around.
Trains, railways stations, post office and... bars will provide access.
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jd7654

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Sep 2017, 02:11    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
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Over the past year, people complain about Puppy itself falling & breaking down, or losing its way----well----how are they supposed to think otherwise when this, Slacko 700, the "flagship" murga/puppy offering, is so darn buggy?? Most of us who post here are fairly proficient users/builders, and if we can't get it to run correctly, I can't imagine what happens to all the other normal users when they download Slacko 700. They've gotta be frustrated as heck Shocked , and trying, possibly helplessly, to return to the old, stable versions (as Pelo mentions) of Slacko.

I know this sounds heretical: possibly Slacko 700 can be stated/removed as the "flagship" Murga-linux offering, and the mantle on murga be passed to Peebee and his excellent LxPupSc offering---something which he keeps up-to-date & stays on top of like a bull on top of a cow-in-heat Wink


In my mind, Puppy kind of died when BK retired from it. Anything put out now I just accept that it is what it is. I don't blame Micko's if he has other priorities, or Phil for checking out. A project is never the same without the founder. Sad but true.

Like what was talked about before, a big problem now is fragmentation, or lack of focus on an official mainline Puppy that everyone can get behind. But I feel more comfortable with Slacko as the mainline, its got the pedigree.(I still have the good old 5.7 installed in many places) Never really took to Tahr, but realize that was the more popular one. And the popular one gets more users, which gets more user testing, which gets more bug fixes. Peebee's LxPup is great stuff too, but that is not mainline Puppy, but a darn fine derivative.

And like what Pelo said, right now you have many people making Pups out of Woof-CE, but it's just kind of spit out there and that's it. To make a good distro, you have to bug fix and user support for a main version. Not as fun as just cranking out stuff, more boring and mundane, but that's what it takes to be a good popular distro.

Woof was supposed to be a tool to build a Puppy for release, with Puppy itself the main product or goal. Right now with Woof-CE, it kind of exists as its own product, a Puppy construction set toy that can spit out all kinds of Pups. It lives to serve itself, not a main Puppy distro release that is solid and stable and supported.
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Sep 2017, 06:17    Post subject:  

EDIT: rant/comments about Woof-CE and Git moved to http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=966974#966974
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Sep 2017, 11:09    Post subject: puppy woofCE github  

Hi sc0ttman

Amazing post! You are a man with a vision, sc0ttman.
Shouldn't this be in another thread though?
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Sep 2017, 12:08    Post subject:  

I think 01micko has left the building!
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Sep 2017, 14:20    Post subject: Re: puppy woofCE github  

foxpup wrote:
Shouldn't this be in another thread though?

Yes probably Embarassed ... Flash can move it where it needs to go.. (the 'Rant' section, maybe?)

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Sep 2017, 16:01    Post subject:  

sc0ttman wrote:
I see a lot of complaints about recent Puppys, but 01micko and others have done a great job moving puppy into x64 and ARM land, and people are free to contribute fixes via GitHub... it's just that most puppy users can't be bothered to learn how Rolling Eyes .. and THAT is what slows development... other distros can rely on hundreds of users who know git. shell, etc .. puppy devs dont have that luxury.. plus they have to work, barry is retired.. it would be nice if barry sometimes did a PR for woofCE ..

I agree with the above - that building pups from so many different sources creates a lot of complexity ... better to focus on a couple only, I think .. My choice would be T2(if its alive?), Slackware, CRUX, Debian, Ubuntu .. Or whatever 3 or 4 work best.


Hi sc0ttman,

What you write in that long post is pretty much spot on. Puppy is far from dead - it remains the centre of creative development on Puppy forum, and its the forum members who need to get working on improving woof-CE, which is the core of Puppy. We don't need remastered Pups as much as properly working woof-CE branches with, as you say, choices such as desktop managers. Debian, via huge amount of continuous development is supporting debootstrap, so easy to build DebianLive-based systems (and plenty of these around the Internet). Puppy is a creative distribution in its own right and this is the Puppy forum afterall - supposed to be a place to promote Puppy and support it via the development work all distributions need. I'm tired of those who come on here making negative comments as if trying to bring it down.

Fact is woof-CE works, which is amazing from such a small, but active, development team. It must be difficult for devs to be bothered when faced with such negative people bringing their work down. However, Puppy is not about to die - more like a Phoenix about to rise through renewed interest of those who support it. Getting into woof-CE branch improvement internals, and avoiding remastering when creating a woof-CE buildable distribution, is the key to rapid progress and Puppy improvement.

As for where you post should be posted, I suggest you just re-post it in woof-CE needs you thread, and simply edit the version you have here (i.e.blank it out and just put a link to new version in woof-CE needs you).

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Sep 2017, 17:36    Post subject:  

wiak wrote:
As for where you post should be posted, I suggest you just re-post it in woof-CE needs you thread, and simply edit the version you have here (i.e.blank it out and just put a link to new version in woof-CE needs you).

wiak

Done.. moved..

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Sep 2017, 18:35    Post subject:  

wiak wrote:
I'm tired of those who come on here making negative comments as if trying to bring it down.


People are just talking, discussion and giving opinions is not allowed in your world wiak? The only force of negativity I see here is you. Contempt for Puppy users is not welcome.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Sep 2017, 12:30    Post subject: slacko-700 rc3  

I installed the rc3 slacko64 that uses the 4.4.7 kernel to my hard drive (and updated it) then used it to do a testing branch build of slacko:

# inxi -bw
System: Host: puppypc2159 Kernel: 4.4.70 i686 (32 bit) Desktop: JWM 2.3.2 Distro: Slacko Puppy 6.9.9.9
Machine: Device: desktop Mobo: Acer model: Aspire X3950 serial: U02C120500059
BIOS: American Megatrends v: P01-A3 date: 05/05/2010
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i3 540 (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 1467/3067 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
tty size: 148x35 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 540.0GB (3.2% used)
Weather: Conditions: 66 F (19 C) - Partly Cloudy Time: September 12, 11:39 AM EDT
Info: Processes: 192 Uptime: 2:13 Memory: 922.9/5997.2MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.8
#

I added applications with PPM (slow but works), added radky's latest JWMDesk-2.4.pet + JWM_themes_update-2.0.pet

The kernel has been updated 17 times since 4.4.70 came out, now at 4.4.87.

@wiak

A Single script to build a Puppy kernel automatically from woof-CE would be a nice addition Smile

This is working well so far.
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Edit: I did a new rationalise build of Slacko64:
# inxi -bw
System: Host: puppypc13699 Kernel: 4.4.87 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: JWM 2.3.2 Distro: Slacko64 Puppy 6.9.9.9
Machine: Device: desktop Mobo: Acer model: Aspire X3950 serial: U02C120500059
BIOS: American Megatrends v: P01-A3 date: 05/05/2010
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i3 540 (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 1333/3067 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
tty size: 163x34 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 532.0GB (4.6% used)
Weather: Conditions: 50 F (10 C) - Partly Cloudy Time: September 13, 8:51 AM EDT
Info: Processes: 180 Uptime: 16 min Memory: 655.3/5896.3MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.8
#
Works well so far Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Sep 2017, 06:28    Post subject: pets unsintalled still appear in the menu  

pets uninstalled still appear in the menu . I am not the only one to feed back. topic created here Puppy Projects » Next Puppy Development
there was a bug section for Puppy serie IV and V
Perhaps chapter would be updated. Soon or later, you shall have to check this bug about apps removed but still in the menu.
version 32 bits downloaded (Firefox and Abiword). 64bits was for test only.
We are not typists, in the family, Some could use version Libre Office, much bigger , with mathematics, slides , and database software for daily working at home.. Me, i choose Goggles Music Manager Very Happy as extra software, and Lazpaint for graphics. (in addition to MTpaint, so useful)
Feed back soon for update menu in 32 bits version.
If i were a geek, i should do my own Puppy. As passenger i like ready for use ones, Released for passengers unable to script anything in English. Exclamation

Installed USB 4GB , grub4Dos, beside Precise 5.7.1 and Racy 5.5
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Sep 2017, 09:53    Post subject: Re: pets unsintalled still appear in the menu  

Pelo wrote:
pets uninstalled still appear in the menu .


Does running fixmenus in the terminal,then restarting the graphical server work?
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Sep 2017, 13:34    Post subject: it's not a NO GO item, some details.  

it could work. I will do it. nevertheless that is not a ready for use way.
needs :
to speak english and read the forum
to get answers. This was feed back by several topics;
To be efficient
it's not a NO GO item, some details. But Slacko is the official Puppy done by maestros. It has to be perfect because many locale Puplets will be released from it..
When you add an apllication , icon is missing in the menu because xpm not included, menu .desktop hs to be modified to add an SVG icon instead of xpm...
Often answers considers users as Linux experts... Sure they are 200 experts, but 200,000 downloades half from Windows are users.
Merci Biltoo to give help.. i appreciate. I plug Slacko right now to check it.

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Sep 2017, 15:41    Post subject: slacko-700 rc3  

I used the kernel kit to compile the latest kernel and then did ./3builddistro-Z to produce the new devx and iso
which I then installed to my Gateway desktop pc.

# uname -ra
Linux puppypc27421 4.4.88 #1 SMP Thu Sep 14 08:42:26 EDT 2017 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
#

Works well.
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Sep 2017, 04:53    Post subject: Puppy installer does not see 7 partitions on Sda  

st downloaded and booted 6.9.9.9 but when I attempted to install the Puppy installer did not see the 7 partitions on Sda (including 3 for windows and 3 for pups) but did see the 3 partitions on Sdb with 2 pups installed. I have been using Puppy for many years and this has never happened before,
I also have Tahr54 and Xenial 64 and the installer worked ok with them.
Any answers available.
Regards Dennis
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