Dpup-Stretch-700 DELUXE

[Galbi]

Hi Fred & all,

False alarm about browsers and uploading when clicking on any site's "Browse" button to upload and watching the browser immediately crash/shutdown. Whew, lol

The only way thus occurs (which I had did yesterday) is if you do this: to remove "pcmanfm" completely via the main-menu-SETUP-Remove Builtin Packages (RBP). RBP quickly removed pcmanfm, nothing else, but sure enough it caused all browsers to immediately crash when on a website and clicking their 'browse' and/or 'upload' buttons. Pcmanfm is needed in some way for HTML-web-pages 'browse' or 'upload' clickable buttons to work. Wish it wasn't so, and it could be ROX, but I haven't yet figured out how to make this change and/or if it is even possibe.:

I'm afraid I have bad news, this problem affects all apps that calls the File>>Open dialog box.

Not only the web browsers, it happens with Geany, with Xarchiver, with LibreOffice...

Other apps that use a different file open dialog (like mtPaint, mtCell or InkscapeLite) do not have this problem.

I have unistalled pcmanfm through RBP, but no way, the apps still crash.

Some missing lib, perhaps?

Saludos.

[belham2]

Hi Fred & all,

False alarm about browsers and uploading when clicking on any site's "Browse" button to upload and watching the browser immediately crash/shutdown. Whew, lol

The only way thus occurs (which I had did yesterday) is if you do this: to remove "pcmanfm" completely via the main-menu-SETUP-Remove Builtin Packages (RBP). RBP quickly removed pcmanfm, nothing else, but sure enough it caused all browsers to immediately crash when on a website and clicking their 'browse' and/or 'upload' buttons. Pcmanfm is needed in some way for HTML-web-pages 'browse' or 'upload' clickable buttons to work. Wish it wasn't so, and it could be ROX, but I haven't yet figured out how to make this change and/or if it is even possibe.:

I'm afraid I have bad news, this problem affects all apps that calls the File>>Open dialog box.

Not only the web browsers, it happens with Geany, with Xarchiver, with LibreOffice...

Other apps that use a different file open dialog (like mtPaint, mtCell or InkscapeLite) do not have this problem.

I have unistalled pcmanfm through RBP, but no way, the apps still crash.

Some missing lib, perhaps?

Saludos.

Galbi,

Oh no, through language barrier I am afraid you did EXACTLY opposite of what you were supposed to do.

PCManFM cannot be removed. It cannot be touched. I was describing how I created the situation I did, and it was BECAUSE I had removed PCManFM that the behavior was happening. Since you removed PCManFM, it is going to affect a ton of things.

Argh. And I do not think you can re-install PCManFM now, and just be ok. Try this first:

1) Load the DEVXvia SFS-Load before you do anything

2) Go into PPM, and see if you can install PCManFM.

3) If any message comes up through PPM, click "OK". If not, fully wait for PPM to finish.

4) Then use SFS-Load to to unload the DEVX.

5) Reboot.

6) And see (hopefully) everything is back to normal.


Please accept my apology for not writing clearly in the previous messages for what a 'user' is supposed to do and "not supposed" to do.

Let me know what happens when you do the above 6 steps.

[fredx181]

I'm afraid I have bad news, this problem affects all apps that calls the File>>Open dialog box.

Not only the web browsers, it happens with Geany, with Xarchiver, with LibreOffice...

Can you check in PPM if you have package "libglib2.0-0_2.50.3-1" installed?
(It's depencency of many programs)
If so, try to uninstall it and see if the problem is still there.
I had the same problem and solved it that way by uninstalling (it's safe because the libglib2.0 library is already built in, but in another directory, so in fact "double installed" which may be the reason for the crashing, not sure, just guessing)

Fred

[belham2]

I'm afraid I have bad news, this problem affects all apps that calls the File>>Open dialog box.

Not only the web browsers, it happens with Geany, with Xarchiver, with LibreOffice...

Can you check in PPM if you have package "libglib2.0-0_2.50.3-1" installed?
(It's depencency of many programs)
If so, try to uninstall it and see if the problem is still there.
I had the same problem and solved it that way by uninstalling (it's safe because the libglib2.0 library is already built in, but in another directory, so in fact "double installed" which may be the reason for the crashing, not sure, just guessing)

Fred

...and IF you follow Fred's advice, please be safe and load the DEVX before opening the PPM and doing anything.....just trying to be safe here.

[fredx181]

Hi Belham,

Very strange, I uninstalled pcmanfm also from "remove-builtin-packages" (just to test) and all "Open File" dialogs are still working fine for me.
These "Open File" dialogs are not depending on any file-manager to have installed, I'm almost sure.
Probably what I wrote in my previous (and earlier) post is more close to what's the problem (libglib2.0).
If you don't have libglib2.0 installed (through PPM) just try to install it and you''ll probably see the crashing of all programs when using "Open File" dialog (anyway it was for me). Can you test that?

Fred

[belham2]

Hi Belham,

Very strange, I uninstalled pcmanfm also from "remove-builtin-packages" (just to test) and all "Open File" dialogs are still working fine for me.
These "Open File" dialogs are not depending on any file-manager to have installed, I'm almost sure.
Probably what I wrote in my previous (and earlier) post is more close to what's the problem (libglib2.0).
If you don't have libglib2.0 installed (through PPM) just try to install it and you''ll probably see the crashing of all programs when using "Open File" dialog (anyway it was for me). Can you test that?

Fred

Fred,

Ssssssh.. Be quiet!...I am expecting here....lol..oh the pains, wha am I doing wrong?.......trying to give birth to my first GIF.....lol....



P.S. yes, I'll test it tonight or tomorrow morning...right now, I want my first GIF to work!!!

[fredx181]

Ssssssh.. Be quiet!...I am expecting here....lol..oh the pains, wha am I doing wrong?.......trying to give birth to my first GIF.....lol....



P.S. yes, I'll test it tonight or tomorrow morning...right now, I want my first GIF to work!!!

Ah, you became gif-aholic, good!, welcome to the club Btw, you accidentally know what the word "gif" means in Dutch?

Take it easy, you'll get there!! (or maybe with a little help from your friends)

Fred

[Sailor Enceladus]

edit: Nevermind.

[Galbi]

Well, to make things a bit more interesting... now I'm at home, that means, another computer (old Pentium IV) and everything works fine.

Just to discard, I've installed the same than in the other, the machine in my work, where apps crash at file opening.

Very strange, it's the same ISO, and in both machines DEVX loaded.

Maybe something hardware related? Does not sound probable.

To try to uninstall that libglib2.... lib, I have to wait till Monday, when back to work.

Saludos.

P.S. Beham2 please, don't feel bad, the problem was there before I've uninstalled pcmanfm. I did it just to test what happens, I understood you right, no language problem, this time...

[fredx181]

Hi Belham and everyone,

I tried latest dpup-stretch ISO from ttuuxxx
As I was curious I installed "libglib2.0-0_2.50.3-1" from PPM to see if the same problem with pcmanfm and the "Open with" dialogs occurs.
And yes, after that, pcmanfm segfaults, and all applications I tried to open a file or folder with did crash.
So looks to me more like a general problem (woof-CE?) not a problem only for dpup-stretch-DELUXE.

Fred

[pemasu]

https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/w ... 1e29ea2cab

The problem with debian or ubuntu glib and pup-volume-monitor is well known.

I believe that the problem in this case is caused by using woof-ce as starting point and then adding extra apps and libs to the base version, possibly by using ppm and pets and then remastering the result as new distro. And somewhere during that process the debian glib has been added with pup-volume-monitor co-existing. The fixed glib (zzz_glib-2.50.3-i686-dpup-stretch) also installs the content to the different places than debian original, which causes that debian glib is effectively in use causing conflict with pup-volume-monitor and crippling the pcmanfm.

Also this problem has been discussed in the dpup stretch thread.

[belham2]

Hi Belham and everyone,

I tried latest dpup-stretch ISO from ttuuxxx
As I was curious I installed "libglib2.0-0_2.50.3-1" from PPM to see if the same problem with pcmanfm and the "Open with" dialogs occurs.
And yes, after that, pcmanfm segfaults, and all applications I tried to open a file or folder with did crash.
So looks to me more like a general problem (woof-CE?) not a problem only for dpup-stretch-DELUXE.

Fred

Hi Fred!

Family duty today, lol, plus made myself stay in the sunshine and get some exercise. Hope you were able to get outside too. spring is coming for us in this part of the world So what do I do about the "libglib" thing? It sounds from pemasu's explanation that we're just whistling past the graveyard in whatever choice I make in the ISO. I never remastered this ISO I put up...it is all built-in (well, sneaking some of it in to the woof-CE build process) and also just SFS-Edit the main puppy.sfs. But I am not sure what to do, other than just keep going with how things are. What do you think??

[fredx181]

Hi Belham and everyone,

I tried latest dpup-stretch ISO from ttuuxxx
As I was curious I installed "libglib2.0-0_2.50.3-1" from PPM to see if the same problem with pcmanfm and the "Open with" dialogs occurs.
And yes, after that, pcmanfm segfaults, and all applications I tried to open a file or folder with did crash.
So looks to me more like a general problem (woof-CE?) not a problem only for dpup-stretch-DELUXE.

Fred

Hi Fred!

Family duty today, lol, plus made myself stay in the sunshine and get some exercise. Hope you were able to get outside too. spring is coming for us in this part of the world So what do I do about the "libglib" thing? It sounds from pemasu's explanation that we're just whistling past the graveyard in whatever choice I make in the ISO. I never remastered this ISO I put up...it is all built-in (well, sneaking some of it in to the woof-CE build process) and also just SFS-Edit the main puppy.sfs. But I am not sure what to do, other than just keep going with how things are. What do you think??

Ah, good! Yes, I got some sunshine vitamin D also today, very needed after this endless winter!

About "libglib", I don't know (as you know, I am not at all into woof-CE)
A "workaround" is to uninstall libglib2.0 package as soon as it's installed by PPM as a dependency of some application, but that is not a solution, of course.
Someone who knows a lot about building Puppy (and woof-CE) can probably fix it.

Also this problem has been discussed in the dpup stretch thread.

I missed that, maybe they have found solution?

EDIT: About it here, exactly the problem as far as I can see, when libglib2.0 installed in different places /usr/lib and /lib:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 211#946211
EDIT2: further reading from there it looks like the problem has been fixed, but apparently not?!

Fred

[belham2]

I missed that, maybe they have found solution?

EDIT: About it here, exactly the problem as far as I can see, when libglib2.0 installed in different places /usr/lib and /lib:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 211#946211

Fred

Well, then, that's just plain weird. My uploaded ISO's woof-CE build date (db-date file in builin_files at ~/.packages) is 15 March. This is a full 10 days after ttuuxxx made the corrections in the woof-CE build. As he discussed afterwards, it was fixed, and my build shows the zzz-glib included. So now I am totally lost, ugh, what to do. This building ISOs gets weirder and weirder



P.S. Me thinks its getting near time you hit us with one of your new DD releases...maybe a stretch version???, which will, as usual, be better than what I've cobbled together here with woof-CE. You still thinking about something maybe for early summer release??

[fredx181]

Well, then, that's just plain weird. My uploaded ISO's woof-CE build date (db-date file in builin_files at ~/.packages) is 15 March. This is a full 10 days after ttuuxxx made the corrections in the woof-CE build. As he discussed afterwards, it was fixed, and my build shows the zzz-glib included. So now I am totally lost, ugh, what to do. This building ISOs gets weirder and weirder

And the latest ISO from ttuuxxx is dated 22 march and has the same issue.

P.S. Me thinks its getting near time you hit us with one of your new DD releases...maybe a stretch version???, which will, as usual, be better than what I've cobbled together here with woof-CE. You still thinking about something maybe for early summer release??

Yes, will probably make new stretch-doggie in summer, but I did made (already some time ago, you didn't notice maybe) a testing version:
https://github.com/DebianDog/Stretch/bl ... /README.md

EDIT: You might be judging too hard about woof-CE/Stretch, it's all very new development stage, it has to grow, btw, -as I may have said earlier- Debian Stretch isn't 'stable' branch yet which makes it double experimental IMHO.

Fred

[Pelo]

belham if you get outside." spring is coming for you in your part of the world, "

If you want to take your Puppy Linux with you, install it on a laptop, buy antenna that fits well with drivers provided by Rcrsn51, choose the accurate kernel, and life will be sunny
Devs forget often that laptops are to move, indoor but mainly outdoor, unless there are devs laptops. if rcrsn51 were not here to compile , none of laptops could be used with Puppy Linux outside
About Stretch, Debian advise that it's only a testing version, and that packages are not yet available. Why such an hurry ? Jessie would not be enough for you ? Has anybody got succes in a puppy Jessie, excepted josejp24, (pupjibaro) ? Bah go on working on it, only think about users using outside their laptop, wireless connected.
I hope that each of you working for the team , not for its own ego , will find success.

[davids45]

G'day belham2,

I tried your Stretch-700 Deluxe via another Stretch thread so missed this thread. Found it when trying to get to know more about QtWeb (refer to my Dillo complaint following). So I'm apologising in advance .

I made a post to the other thread about my initial problems:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 477#950477

The printer problem has been fixed (with help) by reverting to an older ghostscript.

I found Dillo is not a user-friendly browser to try to use with CUPS, or to fix a printing problem involving CUPS. QtWeb is much preferred.

The non-avi playing vlc remains. Big problem if the grandkids visit - no Pepper nor Shaun to watch!

The dark green default theme makes text hard to read - where can either the dark green be lightened or at least the text whitened?

The screenshot shows the dark green I'd like lighter and also another aggravation. When selecting a file to open:
The left-side panel lists all the partitions on this computer - mounted & unmounted - when at most, I only want to see the mounted ones. My commonly wanted data partition ends up at the bottom of this listing (off-panel) adding to my iritation. How do I revert to the past set-up for this panel?

Thanks for any advice.

David S.

[belham2]

G'day belham2,

I tried your Stretch-700 Deluxe via another Stretch thread so missed this thread. Found it when trying to get to know more about QtWeb (refer to my Dillo complaint following). So I'm apologising in advance .

I made a post to the other thread about my initial problems:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 477#950477

The printer problem has been fixed (with help) by reverting to an older ghostscript.

I found Dillo is not a user-friendly browser to try to use with CUPS, or to fix a printing problem involving CUPS. QtWeb is much preferred.

The non-avi playing vlc remains. Big problem if the grandkids visit - no Pepper nor Shaun to watch!

The dark green default theme makes text hard to read - where can either the dark green be lightened or at least the text whitened?

The screenshot shows the dark green I'd like lighter and also another aggravation. When selecting a file to open:
The left-side panel lists all the partitions on this computer - mounted & unmounted - when at most, I only want to see the mounted ones. My commonly wanted data partition ends up at the bottom of this listing (off-panel) adding to my iritation. How do I revert to the past set-up for this panel?

Thanks for any advice.

David S.

Hi David,

sorry, didn't see this till today....it's spring here, and yard/garden is demanding all my free time.

Thanks for the printer info.

As far as that crazy green/yellow, I just set those themes to show colours (something many creators forget, that we humans like colours and not just black/whites/blues & greys).

Anyhow, my dpup contains over 43 GTK Themes, 28 Icon Themes, 31 Wallpapers, and 43 JWM Themes. What this means is that you can literally choose any possible colour combo that is in existence for . window/gtk themes. Plus, I've included programs where if you don't somehow find something you like in what's provided, you can create your own jwm themes and GTK themes.

For starters, just click on on lower-left main MENU button, go up to DESKTOP, and then into JWM DESK MANAGER, and peruse all the possible combinations, trying different ones out. Be warned, it's best to stick to one wallpaper at first, for ROX+JWM's interaction in setting the wallpaper through JWM DESK MANAGER (Nathan's Wallpapersetter) can still be problematic (radky fixed this, but in the next iteration of dpup I am doing, I have removed all traces of JWM and am going with radky's fantastic desktop environment of fbBox-4.0 (soon-to-be fbBox 4.1).

Radky's FbBox creation is the future (along with XFCE/other Openbox) for pups in my opinion. JWM has served well for many years, but it has become limited in some areas that are frustrating (like integrating everything together smoothly, and having it still work, as radky's FbBox does so effortlessly....something JWM no longer does).


Anyhow, give the JWM themes and GTK themes (even the icon themes) a whirl....I'm sure you'll find something you like colour-wise. Let the grandkids play with them too, especially creating new ones


P.S. I am not sure I understand what you are saying about the "mounted/unmounted" partitions being shown? Any chance you could take a pic and post it here so I can see what you mean?? A "file-to-open" using what? off the desktop directly?? Via Rox??? Or via PcmanFM????

[davids45]

G'day belham2,

Thanks for your reply.

I'll get around to trying to find a readable colour scheme based on your feedback.

P.S. I am not sure I understand what you are saying about the "mounted/unmounted" partitions being shown? Any chance you could take a pic and post it here so I can see what you mean?? A "file-to-open" using what? off the desktop directly?? Via Rox??? Or via PcmanFM????

I've made two screenshots to show my normal or preferred situation with opening files in a program in Puppy.
I prefer to start with no partitions listed (empty panel) rather than overflowing with unused partitions (StretchPup, example from my earlier post).

First time I want to open a file in a program, I drag my two data partitions (sda5 & sdb3) into that empty panel from the right (main) panel. This then becomes the default so every future 'Open file' in any program has only my mounted-at-boot data partitions listed.

StretchPup's default of listing all partitions is a problem for me because I have about 30 partitions on two hard-drives - I think it would be no problem if there were only a couple of partitions, so the left panel did not fill up.

By the way, does vlc play .avi or .mp4 files for you? I get sound but no video.

David S.

[davids45]

G'day again belham2,

I've booted into Stretch Deluxe and following your suggestions, have found it was the gtk theme producing the dark green parts I found hard to read.

I changed this theme (to one called windoze! ) and can now read without effort the text in the bars, etc.

Thanks for your help.

David S.