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Easy Linux 0.3 alpha, released May 29 2017
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don570


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Apr 2017, 18:26    Post subject:  

There appears to be a bug in Easy Linux.

When I uncompress portable apps in /opt
I want to launch them from the start menu, but I find that I can not.
They don't show in start menu.
Crying or Very sad

I assume that the installer app is making a list somewhere,
and if the installer app isn't used then the start menu isn't updated.

Here's an example of a desktop file that won't update the start menu.

Code:
[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
#Encoding=UTF-­8 #Encoding causes problems
Name=RedNotebook
GenericName=Journal
Comment=Daily journal with calendar, templates and keyword searching
Exec=/opt/rednotebook-1.14/rednotebookx
Icon=rednotebook.png
Terminal=false
Type=Application
Categories=X-Personal-organizer
StartupNotify=true

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don570


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Apr 2017, 18:31    Post subject: Red notebook  

Good news Laughing

I could make Red notebook portable journal work in Easy linux

Instructions:
There are two pet packages that need to be installed.
I got them from RU xerus

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=930564#930564


The installation is in /opt .
After the install an icon will appear on desktop.
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rufwoof

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 18:27    Post subject: Re: Red notebook  

don570 wrote:
Good news Laughing

I could make Red notebook portable journal work in Easy linux

Just what I've been looking for Don. Thanks for highlighting RedNotebook, until you posted I didn't even know of its existence. Just installed it from the Debian repo and it feels 'just right' (version 1.8.1, copyrighted 2008-2012, so a older version, but seems to work well enough for my needs).

I had been using osmo but never really got on that well with it. Then I moved over to Evolution ... but that's more heavyweight than what I need (caters for mail etc. ... which I do online). Rednotebook as a calender ... great/ideal for me. I now have it set so when I click the date/time in the panel - up it pops. Laughing Cool Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Apr 2017, 15:21    Post subject:  

To Rufwoof...

Can you use the start menu when you use a repository?

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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sat 20 May 2017, 05:30    Post subject:  

Thanks for identifying some issues, guys.

This post is advance notice, I am coming back to working on Easy Linux.

One problem identified was how to specify extra sfs file to load, either in the main filesystem or in containers.

I propose to greatly simplify that. No need to make entries in the "configuration" files. Will post details later.

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rufwoof

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PostPosted: Sat 20 May 2017, 07:44    Post subject:  

don570 wrote:
To Rufwoof...

Can you use the start menu when you use a repository?

I'm running Debian where I simply installed the core (command line only) version that I then booted and added xorg, jwm and rox to (and subsequently loads of other stuff such as mtpaint .... etc.). That in effect is the same as a Puppy, I could for instance copy across all of the jwm files/structure from a Puppy over to that. I however opted to just use a single .jwmrc file and set it so that the menu button launches pcmanfm menu://applications as that presents a menu (that automatically reflects what's been installed/added/removed).

Can be very similar to a Puppy, but that uses the Debian repository (has access to its 50,000+ programs). Best of both worlds (single provider and stable/security patched).

I like my menu bar/panel at the top of screen so the relevant part in my .jwmrc has

<Tray x="0" y="+1" height="24" border="0">

rather than y="-1" as per the more usual choice to have the panel at the bottom of the screen. And my menu button simply launches that pcmanfm (filemanager) opening menu://applications

(clickable thumbnail)


as part of that setup I have a bookmark to /usr/share/applications in the left main frame so that a single click also shows all applications from there. And rox-filer is also still available.



After having installed and setup to a HDD partition, I just create a sfs of that and install live-boot, so that it can be booted with the more usual three file arrangement (initrd, vmlinuz, filesystem.squashfs (sfs)). I actually quite like systemd so I prefer to boot using that, but that does mean that saves are limited to being to either partition or file (no directory based saves catered for) ... at least not without modification. I'm content however to just use a partition based save, and use the same partition to where the initrd/vmlinuz/filesystem.squashfs files are located ... and I save just changes to the /home folder tree only (calendar/brower/personal configuration ...etc. changes only preserved). But that means to apply any updates (security patches provided by Debian) I have to extract the main sfs and set it to fully saving (all changes) before applying the updates and then reforming the main sfs again (a bit like a remaster of sorts). The live-boot (sfs) choice however does mean a layered setup is being used, so you can load other sfs's ....etc. in a similar manner to Puppy.

Mostly I've stuck with pure Debian stable, but have imported kodi and the more recent jwm version (jwm 2.3) from what Debian call 'Backports' (newer versions that are stable and likely to be in the next release of stable, brought back from the more recent version that will become the next stable release). Which involves adding the backports repository (edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add a line
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main
and then use apt-get update; apt-get -t jessie-backports install jwm .... or whatever command line choice, or the graphical synaptic (like puppy package manager) to install programs).

The nice thing about that is that it should just evolve over time. As Debian bring out the next release (current Jessie stable becomes old-stable and is superseded by Stretch being the stable), you just run a apt-get dist-upgrade after changing the repositories (edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all jessie entries to stretch) ... and (after a half hour to hour of upgrading) ... you're running under that later release. I have pre-run that and in effect switched from Jessie stable to Stretch testing and it worked OK for me, there were however a few flaws apparent still so I switched back to stable again. Nice to know however that the upgrade to the next Debian stable looks easy enough.
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PostPosted: Sat 20 May 2017, 07:55    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
One problem identified was how to specify extra sfs file to load, either in the main filesystem or in containers.

Hi Barry. The structure Debian uses is the main sfs is in /live folder and any files in that folder with a .squashfs suffix (they use that longer format rather than .sfs) are loaded in alphanumeric sorted order at bootup. Unless a filesystem.module file also exists in that folder in which case only the sfs files named in that file (one per line) are loaded and in the order presented in that filesystem.module file. man live-boot shows the detail. That has been useful in that if you remaster a live system (current overlaid image) to a new main sfs you can set that with a version number of some kind and then edit the filesystem.module file to change to use that new version instead of the old/prior version - so that as the next reboot you're running with that new main sfs version (when I used that I just added a additional script to the startup to delete the older version).

For containment, firejail is quite popular due to its simplicity. You can for instance run firejail firefox and it sets up a container where the session can only access Downloads and Desktop folders along with the .mozilla configuration folder. Add a --private to that firejail command and it sets up a whole new container (so like loading firefox from fresh).

That's evolving to be even easier as how labbe5 has outlined here
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PostPosted: Sat 20 May 2017, 10:51    Post subject: keyboard-layout on Easy Linux 0.2 pre-alpha
Subject description: setting keyboard-layout to sg may corrupt Easy Linux on SD-card or flash-stick
 

to don570 and Sage

Don't worry, it's not my intention to restart interfering, yet it might be useful to let you know the following documentation of my experiences with attempts at changing the keyboard-layout in Easy Linux 0.2 pre-alpha. And, as I noticed, Barry again is focusing on Easy Linux

After installing Easy Linux 0.2 pre-alpha on a 64GB SD-card as well as on a 32GB flashstick and setting the keyboard layout to Swiss German (on a Dell Optiplex 980 desktop), I tried to use them on 4 different laptops.

On 2 Laptops (Dell Latitude 6500; ASUS X 61S) the keyboard-layout was spontaneously reset to US (default), and regardless of whether I only had tested the settings by typing some characters in the console or had tried to reconfigure the settings, after each restart of X the setting again was US. Even worse, repeated attempts at resetting seemed to corrupt Easy Linux (mainly) on the SD-card.
On the other 2 Laptops (Dell Vostro 1720; Packard Bell Easy Note) everything worked fine; the sg layout settings remained unaffected.

Supposing that the issue might be due to the laptops' hardware specifications (graphics card), I add the hardware info of the 4 laptops as attachments.

Furthermore, when I reconfigured the keyboard-layout (that spontaneously had been reset to us) on the desktop, the SD-card as well as the flash stick worked again as initially; however, during booting the following message appeared:

sbin/rollback: .: line 12 can't open /mnt/sda2/.session/etc/rc.d/DISTRO_SPECS

I in fact unsuccessfully had tried to roll back, and the file DISTRO_SPECS in fact was in folder etc instead of rc.d.

I copied DISTRO_SPECS into rc.d ..... and Easy Linux started next time flawlessly, finally displaying the Quick Setup first run dialogue, everything seemed to be pristine

Do we have to accept that Easy Linux on a removable drive may get corrupted by a computer's hardware? How to prevent such interference?

Many thanks; ..... now, I will fall silent again
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sun 21 May 2017, 08:46    Post subject: Re: keyboard-layout on Easy Linux 0.2 pre-alpha
Subject description: setting keyboard-layout to sg may corrupt Easy Linux on SD-card or flash-stick
 

lp-dolittle wrote:
Furthermore, when I reconfigured the keyboard-layout (that spontaneously had been reset to us) on the desktop, the SD-card as well as the flash stick worked again as initially; however, during booting the following message appeared:

sbin/rollback: .: line 12 can't open /mnt/sda2/.session/etc/rc.d/DISTRO_SPECS

I in fact unsuccessfully had tried to roll back, and the file DISTRO_SPECS in fact was in folder etc instead of rc.d.

I copied DISTRO_SPECS into rc.d ..... and Easy Linux started next time flawlessly, finally displaying the Quick Setup first run dialogue, everything seemed to be pristine


Thanks for finding that!

A typo, yes, the "rc.d/" should not be in the path. Fixed.

To anyone else reading this, the offending script is /sbin/rollback in the initramfs (file initrd.q).

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rameshiyer

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PostPosted: Thu 25 May 2017, 02:30    Post subject: Easy Linux
Subject description: Installation
 

I have booted from Easy Linux from USB. However, I don't find any option install to my Internal HDD. No universal installer found in setup menu.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 May 2017, 07:42    Post subject:  

http://barryk.org/easy/how-easy-works.htm

"Unlike most other Linux distributions, Easy is not deployed as as image for a CD disk (ISO file). Instead, Easy is an image for an external drive, such as USB Flash stick, SD-card or USB solid state disk (SSD)."

"Installation
This web page is describing how Easy works, not installation. There will be a separate page for that, however, it can be mentioned here how easy it is. Just install one of the free GUI tools for writing an image file to a drive, such as USB Image Tool for Windows, or Etch for Windows, Mac and Linux. Or, in Linux it is easy to do on the commandline (for the example of the external drive being /dev/sdb):
# gunzip --stdout easy-0.1.6-amd64.img.gz | dd of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
# sync"

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PostPosted: Thu 25 May 2017, 18:36    Post subject:  

One user did report that he could use Easy linux in a full install with a few changes.
You need at least two partitions apparently.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=948207#948207

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For now, I was trying something else. Tested with a VirtualBox install onto VHD, and that went fine, fully functional. Then with a few things tested there, did a manual hard drive install on the laptop. Copied boot and work files into existing Windows and Quirky partitions respectively, edited BOOT_SPECS, and looks to be functioning fine.(much faster than the USB)

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PostPosted: Sat 27 May 2017, 06:40    Post subject: Re: Easy Linux
Subject description: Installation
 

rameshiyer wrote:
I have booted from Easy Linux from USB. However, I don't find any option install to my Internal HDD. No universal installer found in setup menu.


Yeah, that is not yet written.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 May 2017, 06:47    Post subject:  

A progress report.

I am working on Easy, looking good.

The next release of Easy and Quirky, built with the OpenEmbedded packages, will have updated "firmware_linux_network" and "firmware_linux_display" PETs, with a huge collection of firmware. It should cover everyones needs.

As Easy is embracing SFS files and the layered filesystem technique, similar to Puppy, it is a good idea to think of some kind of GUI for choosing, downloading and "installing" SFS files. There could be a repository of them.

I have a vague memory that someone developed something like this for Puppy, an SFS-chooser GUI, but I can't find it. Does anyone recall anything like that?

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PostPosted: Sat 27 May 2017, 06:58    Post subject:  

Hi Barry !

Quote:
As Easy is embracing SFS files and the layered filesystem technique, similar to Puppy, it is a good idea to think of some kind of GUI for choosing, downloading and "installing" SFS files. There could be a repository of them.

I have a vague memory that someone developed something like this for Puppy, an SFS-chooser GUI, but I can't find it. Does anyone recall anything like that?


Maybe have a look here down at the Bottom of the Page :

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/SquashFS

Regards !
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