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EasyOS Pyro 0.9.10, December 5, 2018
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tigs

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2018, 15:18    Post subject:  

don570 wrote:
tigs wrote:

I want to install multiple copies on a hard drive


There is an explanation here.....
http://bkhome.org/easy/how-to-install-easy-os-on-your-hard-drive.html

The important thing is the editing of the boot specs file.


That is what I followed. What I wanted is to add another version on top of the one, making it a dual boot, for example, if want to have both pyro and xenius there.
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Cu Chulinux


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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2018, 19:52    Post subject:  

Barry, when I upgraded I didn't expect it to default to modesetting but I was surprised that it defaulted to intel uga when I was using intel sna previously. I figured that it would continue with the same settings as the previous version before upgrading. The icon set also changed back to green which also was surprising. Nothing else that I changed was changed back.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2018, 20:09    Post subject:  

rerwin wrote:
Thanks for that explanation. I changed the sdb1 initrd.gz init script to wait up to 30 seconds. In 5 reboots, 4 took 9 seconds, but 1, 18! So, maybe a 10- or 20-second maximum wait would be safer than 8.


Ok, I have changed it to 20.

Weird that it should take so long.

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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2018, 20:22    Post subject:  

tigs wrote:
don570 wrote:
tigs wrote:

I want to install multiple copies on a hard drive


There is an explanation here.....
http://bkhome.org/easy/how-to-install-easy-os-on-your-hard-drive.html

The important thing is the editing of the boot specs file.


That is what I followed. What I wanted is to add another version on top of the one, making it a dual boot, for example, if want to have both pyro and xenius there.


That link has some description of reFind. You can modify the menu, to either automatically discover other OSs, or enter them manually.

If you have another Linux installed into another partition, reFind should be able to find it automatically.

Trying to recall... there is a caveat with reFind. If you have another Linux installed in another partition, you will need to copy the kernel (and initrd.gz if used) into the boot partition (the fat partition where reFind is installed), and give them unique names. Then maybe create a manual menu entry.

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Cu Chulinux


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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2018, 20:32    Post subject:  

Tigs, you should be able to boot multiple copies by having separate subdirectories for the boot files (editing the EFI/BOOT/refind.conf to match) and having separate partitions for the two versions.

I have both Easy and Quirky booting from EFI menu doing essentially this (and Tiny Core too), except I left the Easy boot files in root directory and use a subdir for Quirky. I just don't have Quirky running stable enough.

I also have puppies running from my Windows partition using Lick.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2018, 20:55    Post subject:  

Right, I think that's it, all of EasyOS Pyro64 0.9 uploaded!

As of yesterday afternoon, rsync at ibiblio.org still wasn't working properly, so all uploaded got done with gFTP, which uploaded at speeds fro 10 to 26 KB/sec (compared with up to 500KB/sec I was getting before with rsync).

Download:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/easyos/amd64/releases/pyro/0.9/

Here is the blog announcement, with lots of links:

http://bkhome.org/news/201804/easyos-pyro64-09-released.html

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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2018, 07:05    Post subject: EasyOS Pyro64 0.9 (April 15), Xerus64 0.6.8 (Jan. 4), 2018  

I did a new install of 0.9.0 modesetting to a 64gb flash drive for use on my hp
desktop:

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Sun 15 Apr 2018 on Easy Pyro64 0.9 Linux 4.14.32 x86_64
0.0 VGA compatible controller:
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Redwood PRO [Radeon HD 5550/5570/5630/6510/6610/7570]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: REDWOOD 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: radeon
X.Org version: 1.19.1
dimensions: 3840x1080 pixels (1013x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: X.Org
OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD REDWOOD (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.14.32, LLVM 3.9.1)
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 17.0.7

AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1045T Processor
Core 0: @813 1: @800 2: @865 3: @835 4: @800 5: @811 MHz

I ran the installer from my lapop install to the 64gb flash drive, when
I booted the new install on my hp it scanned the drives and began to
create the filesystem on the second partition of the drive, when it
finished it gave an error about "version mismatch", it was working on
the 32gb flash drive install of 0.8.5 instead of the 64gb flash drive
that I booted from.
I shut down the computer and unplugged the 0.8.5 drive and rebooted
from the 0.9.0 drive, it worked properly then and I finished setting up
the new 0.9.0 install.

I ran xorgwizard and switched to the radeon driver,added some pets,the
devx and kernel source sfs files,also added Palemoon web browser.

It's working well now,
Thanks.

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EDIT: I had a 7 port usb hub connected to this pc and that was causing
problems.
I now have Pyro64-0.9.0 booting from the 64gb flash drive (from the bios
boot menu) it defaults to Xubuntu-18.04 Beta-2 from the hard drive.

My 64gb flash drive has changed from f1 f2 to b1 b2 but it's working
well.
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tigs

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2018, 13:16    Post subject:  

Cu Chulinux wrote:
Tigs, you should be able to boot multiple copies by having separate subdirectories for the boot files (editing the EFI/BOOT/refind.conf to match) and having separate partitions for the two versions.

I have both Easy and Quirky booting from EFI menu doing essentially this (and Tiny Core too), except I left the Easy boot files in root directory and use a subdir for Quirky. I just don't have Quirky running stable enough.

I also have puppies running from my Windows partition using Lick.


Thank you all! Will try once I have some time.

Regards,
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upnorth


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2018, 14:05    Post subject: easyos pyro64 0.9
Subject description: dell 7010
 

Installed 0.9 to microsd 4gig via gzip/dd, first boot was good with internet, graphics, audio all working. Second boot now, with all working.

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Rodney Byne

Joined: 31 Jan 2014
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2018, 19:21    Post subject: Containers  

Barry's right, being experimental there are no
guarantees using containers.
I found from experience they are not robust,
they are frail and easily accidentally deleted if
mishandled.
I'm not sure what happened but I manually
deleted an experimental item of mine sitting
adjacent to the SM in a container, then both container
and SM disappeared never to be seen again.
No hard coded right-click backup delete safeguards
- don't DO that whoops too late.

Barry's tutorials in the main are for advanced compilers,
not for inexperienced casual users.
Just look at those block diagrams.
We've come a long way from Precise 5.7.1

The practical stuff we really need to know to make
things work properly are missed out or glossed over.
Experts know but take sh & sh0 for example in container
gui's, how are they used in plain english.
Remastering steps are a minefield to the nervous unwary,
best avoided.

This OS has such a complex cutting edge file structure,
take great care it's like walking on eggshells, tread carefully
so delicate.

Sorry Barry I felt I had to write all this.
Best regards.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2018, 02:42    Post subject:  

Quote:
...OS has such a complex cutting edge file structure...

You are right, RB, but the real problem is the name ' Easy'. Yes, fairly easy to get running (but not using dd which is as much a mystery to neophytes as most other CLI - use USBWriter from one of the major distros), difficult to understand the intricacies and limitations. The Forum gurus are, predictably delighted by this complex offering from the arch-guru. Probably a smaller, faster, more limited bog-std version complete with .iso as well as .img (not .img.gz - most of the folk I help don't understand it needs to be extracted, never mind how to do that!), with limited aspirations and capabilities? My experience is that the eyes of the unwashed glaze over when presented with an how-to. Having said all that, many still struggle on with the bent, broken and expensive offerings from Redmond and switch on their mobiles instead...
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tigs

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2018, 08:45    Post subject: Re: easyos pyro64 0.9
Subject description: dell 7010
 

upnorth wrote:
Installed 0.9 to microsd 4gig via gzip/dd, first boot was good with internet, graphics, audio all working. Second boot now, with all working.

easy-0.9-amd64.img.gz


How do you manage to boot from an SD card? My laptop has a SD card slot, but it is recognized as a bootable device. I was told because it is PCIe interface. Do I have a chance to get it to boot?

thanks
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upnorth


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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2018, 10:30    Post subject: EasyOS Pyro64 0.9  

Hi Tigs:
I booted with a 10 year old card reader tethered to usb port. Then used the uefi bios menu via F12 on this machine. I have heard of others having trouble with the "built in" card readers on some machines. So maybe somebody knows how to get it working?

But, check through your bios setup for possible solution.
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lp-dolittle

Joined: 25 Apr 2016
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2018, 10:35    Post subject: booting from SD-card
Subject description: workaround
 

Hi Tigs,

faced with the same problem as you mention here, I realised, some time ago, that I can boot my elderly laptops from SD-cards if I insert them into an external card reader that is connected to the laptop (mainboard?) via a USB-interface.

Hope this 'simple' method also works in your case
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lp-dolittle

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2018, 11:23    Post subject: EasyOS 0.9 release
Subject description: XKB settings; tutorials
 

Hi Barry,

thank you for the EasyOS 0.9 release!

I installed the 'MODESETTING'-version on an SD-card.

As for the initial Quicksetup, I'm still facing similar XKB-related problems as – previously reported - with your Quirkies. The Swiss-German keyboard-layout setting still requires some inexplicable XKB fiddling, depending on the graphics chipset, but the final settings now survive restarts. The Video Wizard seems to work perfectly.

Rodney Byne's comment on the containers' robustness certainly should be kept in view, but I do not agree with the opinion that your tutorials are too complicated. Understanding well the standpoints of Rodney Byne and Sage, I tend to believe that explanations cannot be simplified 'ad infinitum', and expecting to attract the attention of totally uninterested OS-users might be an illusion .... such people never will be able to be fascinated with Puppy, Quirky or EasyOS

kind regards
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