Woof CE Debian Stretch and Devuan Ascii Based Development

[ttuuxxx]

Next release will have no start-up errors in Xerrs.log
Just finished fixing them and applying them to the next build, Not sure when That will be, I'm pretty busy until the weekend.
ttuuxxx

[cthisbear]

" Today is a good day on puppy "

Don't want to come over nice at my age but it should read

" ttuuxxx makes puppy good today."

""""'

First ISO release...booted pretty quick.

The usual Mr T attention to detail was obvious.

Only problem on bank sites etc was printing a PDF file for my payments.
It always failed, very unusual behaviour.
I never install any printer.
So I used your screen capture instead....Thanks.

""""""""

Mr Firefox changed to Palemoon eh....made me smile.

Network came up as >> enp4so wired r8169 RealTek RTL-8169

:::::::::

" make pcmanfm the default file manager "
No thanks... still get my rocks off on Rox.

Cheers....Chris.

[belham2]

Billtoo or any others,

Have a question (jilst's comment about pcmanfm brought it up):

If you open pcmanfm, and then see a file, and right-click on it to choose an "Open with...", how do you modify/remove the "Open With..." choices you previously made and that are already listed (this assumes you've made a mistake in selecting it before and want to change any and/or all of the 'Open With..." choices currently listed)?

I am sure it is easy, but I can't/couldn't figure it out. In ROX, it's super easy, as it allows you to add, delete, rename, etc, etc to your heart's desire anything to do with "right-click" setting up of "Open With..." choices.

I am sure it must be the same in pcmanfm, but how & where??


Thanks.


P.S. Dam#, ttuuxxx, you're making so many changes so fast that I can't even get one ISO built (and all problems solved) before you've gone on done something new. And you always claim you DON'T HAVE TIME and/or the computer setup! Heaven help us when you do get time....I'm going to give up soon and just download whatever you make & forget this headache of trying to iron-everything out for my own ISO, lol, to upload.

[fredx181]

If you open pcmanfm, and then see a file, and right-click on it to choose an "Open with...", how do you modify/remove the "Open With..." choices you previously made and that are already listed (this assumes you've made a mistake in selecting it before and want to change any and/or all of the 'Open With..." choices currently listed)?

Modifying can be done from right-click > properties
Removing, not sure, but I think it can be done only manually in ~/.config/mimeapps.list
For example I had Geany as default for text/plain in ~/.config/mimeapps.list

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[Added Associations]
text/plain=Geany.desktop;leafpad.desktop;
.....
.....

[Default Applications]
text/plain=Geany.desktop
.....
.....

And edited to this (by removing Geany.desktop):

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[Added Associations]
text/plain=leafpad.desktop;
.....
.....

[Default Applications]
text/plain=leafpad.desktop
.....
.....

Fred

[Billtoo]

Billtoo or any others,

Have a question (jilst's comment about pcmanfm brought it up):

If you open pcmanfm, and then see a file, and right-click on it to choose an "Open with...", how do you modify/remove the "Open With..." choices you previously made and that are already listed (this assumes you've made a mistake in selecting it before and want to change any and/or all of the 'Open With..." choices currently listed)?

I am sure it is easy, but I can't/couldn't figure it out. In ROX, it's super easy, as it allows you to add, delete, rename, etc, etc to your heart's desire anything to do with "right-click" setting up of "Open With..." choices.

I am sure it must be the same in pcmanfm, but how & where??
Thanks.

On this screen I think.

[belham2]

On this screen I think.

Unless I am mistaken, how? You can't. Go ahead and set something via 'right-click' in pcmanfm (like I mentioned in my previous post). Now, try to get it out/delete/modify that right-click option from pcmanfm (like you can easily do in Rox). How is this possible? I've even looked in ./root/pcmanfm directory and in /usr/share/pcmanfm directory, nothing. So tell me how we are easily supposed to remove/modify/etc right-clicks we've already added? It's has to exist in Pcmanfm, right?, but I cannot figure it out

[Billtoo]

So tell me how we are easily supposed to remove/modify/etc right-clicks we've already added? It's has to exist in Pcmanfm, right?, but I cannot figure it out

This works for me as a user, if that's not what you're after maybe jlst will respond.

[fredx181]

Belham, you can look inside /root/.local/share/file-manager/actions
On Xenialdog I added some .desktop files there for right-click actions (did it manually, not by Open with...).
But if there's nothing there you probably have to edit ~/.config/mimeapps.list to remove something (changing default app can be done from PCManFm, as billtoo wrote).
Or maybe look in ~/.local/share/applications, could be there also (and if it's there, e.g. dir-to-pet.desktop, deleting it will do I think).

Fred

[belham2]

Thanks, Billtoo and Fred!!

Argh, do you think I was smart enough to go ahead and use or set up an "Open With..." and see the box pop up? Greengeek said it best a few weeks ago: somebody make it stop. In my head, lol, puppy is mind-melding me Fred, thanks, I couldn't find the bugger folder and that's a good trick to know to easily add shortcuts. Wow, I might actually, lol, right-click set up PcManFM now for everything I did in ROX. I've been spoiled for so long since Peebee makes it so easy to use it in LxPupSc and Fred, you make it braindead easy since you do most of it for us in the DDs!!

[fredx181]

Thanks, Billtoo and Fred!!

Argh, do you think I was smart enough to go ahead and use or set up an "Open With..." and see the box pop up? Greengeek said it best a few weeks ago: somebody make it stop. In my head, lol, puppy is mind-melding me Fred, thanks, I couldn't find the bugger folder and that's a good trick to know to easily add shortcuts. Wow, I might actually, lol, right-click set up PcManFM now for everything I did in ROX. I've been spoiled for so long since Peebee makes it so easy to use it in LxPupSc and Fred, you make it braindead easy since you do most of it for us in the DDs!!

Hi Belham, about the pcmanfm right-click actions (from ~/.local/share/file-manager/actions) I read on the net, but at first couldn't get it to work, later I found that package libfm-modules is required to have it installed to make it work.

And.. are you doing your physical exercises at least one hour a day? , I'm a little worried about you!

Fred

[ttuuxxx]

P.S. Dam#, ttuuxxx, you're making so many changes so fast that I can't even get one ISO built (and all problems solved) before you've gone on done something new. And you always claim you DON'T HAVE TIME and/or the computer setup! Heaven help us when you do get time....I'm going to give up soon and just download whatever you make & forget this headache of trying to iron-everything out for my own ISO, lol, to upload.

Well thanks for that, I've been putting some long hours on this and its starting to turn into a really nice distro Nice to see some positive reviews for my efforts/time
ttuuxxx

[Sailor Enceladus]

It's good to see development happening. This may be the way to go, I name tuxx the official dpup mantainer or whatever. I feel reluctant to continue in the woofce side since I strongly oppose to the default traditional puppy apps, i think it's pure and undiluted hatred. My next changes would be... make pcmanfm the default file manager, make engrampa/file-roller the default archiver. And what could happen next is me trying to get rid of rox for good. Fortunately I don't have time to do this, as my job requires me to spend almost all my time on Windows with rhino3d and other programs to design and reverse engineer stuff...

I agree jlst. This thread goes by so fast I can't even keep up with the posts. And your work will surely be appreciated forever. It used to take me 10 hours to make a woof-ce puppy and now it takes about 3. I was wondering if you know any tricks to make ppm2 faster? Just downloading pets and sfs files and clicking on them is a lot faster for me. Maybe ppm2 should have a "don't extract DOC, DEV, NLS stuff" option or "don't strip everything" option, though I'm not sure if that's the issue or something else.

[musher0]

Sorry to disagree.

ttuuxx has incredible stamina, he has invaluable programming skills, and
speed. He has a long Puppy experience.

IMO, what disqualifies him as a woof-ce manager -- if that is really what
jlst is talking about --, from what I've seen here, is that he grabs and
claims a territory, and bulldozes his ideas through.

Some of you know where I'm coming from, saying that: a co-operative
management background. I can't stand autocrats, even in pictures...

BTW, I'm not looking for the job! And before you ask: no, I don't have
many friends, because I prefer truth and fairness over flattery.

Sorry for being so frank, for raining on the parade, for not bowing
to rising stars, etc.

Nevertheless, I hope this helps forward a discussion about Puppy
management: I'm not really discussing ttuuxxx here, but an idea.

BFN

[belham2]

Thanks, Billtoo and Fred!!

Argh, do you think I was smart enough to go ahead and use or set up an "Open With..." and see the box pop up? Greengeek said it best a few weeks ago: somebody make it stop. In my head, lol, puppy is mind-melding me Fred, thanks, I couldn't find the bugger folder and that's a good trick to know to easily add shortcuts. Wow, I might actually, lol, right-click set up PcManFM now for everything I did in ROX. I've been spoiled for so long since Peebee makes it so easy to use it in LxPupSc and Fred, you make it braindead easy since you do most of it for us in the DDs!!

Hi Belham, about the pcmanfm right-click actions (from ~/.local/share/file-manager/actions) I read on the net, but at first couldn't get it to work, later I found that package libfm-modules is required to have it installed to make it work.

And.. are you doing your physical exercises at least one hour a day? , I'm a little worried about you!

Fred

Well, my initial joy about pcmanfm and thinking I'd got working the ability to modify existing right-click actions already set has turned to no joy. It just doesn't work, in pcmanfm, when after you set some right-click actions, and you want to remove and/or modify those existings ones, you can't. And I can't find them anywhere in puppy to be removed, hunted through /root and /usr/share. Furthermore, if you install, as Fred noted, the libfm-modules, which will make the right-click actions removable and/or modifiable, using PPM you find out the "libfm-modules" PPM-download wants 85MB for the install! No way, pcmanfm can kiss it. Wish Peebee or Jilst would maybe say something here about this. Surely, if pcmanfm is getting included in dpup-stretch builds by "default", just how do we get right-click 'full' control working w/o that monster PPM install? Otherwise, pcmanfm seems to be a neutered in dpup-stretches. Anyone???

[peebee]

Although there are still some wrinkles to iron out....looks promising that the ttuuxxx variant of Dpup Stretch will provide a suitable basis for an LxPup derivative....

[fredx181]

using PPM you find out the "libfm-modules" PPM-download wants 85MB for the install!

Are you sure? Yes, that would be really too much then, on DD or XD it uses only around 1MB (but strange, if pcmanfm is already installed I would expect most dependencies are satisfied for installing libfm-modules, does PPM "know" about these dependencies?, maybe not)
Btw the "actions" gives more advanced features, but with the "Open with.." you can do a lot also, of course.

Fred

[ttuuxxx]

Sorry to disagree.

ttuuxx has incredible stamina, he has invaluable programming skills, and
speed. He has a long Puppy experience.

IMO, what disqualifies him as a woof-ce manager -- if that is really what
jlst is talking about --, from what I've seen here, is that he grabs and
claims a territory, and bulldozes his ideas through.

Some of you know where I'm coming from, saying that: a co-operative
management background. I can't stand autocrats, even in pictures...

BTW, I'm not looking for the job! And before you ask: no, I don't have
many friends, because I prefer truth and fairness over flattery.

Sorry for being so frank, for raining on the parade, for not bowing
to rising stars, etc.

Nevertheless, I hope this helps forward a discussion about Puppy
management: I'm not really discussing ttuuxxx here, but an idea.

BFN

Really?? He's only talking about Debian Woofce Quote"official dpup mantainer or whatever" Really by far I've been spearheading this Line of woof Stretch anyways, Its basically just continuing what I'm doing and I'm not about ready to stop, The latest Debian woof built script now uses my Kernel I compiled as default. Plus really I haven't changed anything compared to a default puppy version other than substituting Gnumeric for MtCellEdit which is over 50% smaller. Oh and Palemoon for Firefox since its also smaller and still basically firefox. I might add some Icons and do a lot of fixes etc. You shouldn't have an issue, Heck We were suppose to get some Tim's coffee one of these days, (Maybe in the summer )
ttuuxxx

[Moat]

Although there are still some wrinkles to iron out....looks promising that the ttuuxxx variant of Dpup Stretch will provide a suitable basis for an LxPup derivative....

[Billtoo]

I did a new woof-CE auto build this afternoon, also compiled a new
kernel with the kernel kit.

System: Host: puppypc25388 Kernel: 4.9.15-4G i686 (32 bit) Desktop: JWM 2.3.6
Distro: Dpup Stretch 7.0.0a1
Machine: Device: desktop System: Compaq-Presario product: AU194AA-A2L CQ5123F serial: MXX9300M0F
Mobo: MSI model: Boston v: 1.0 BIOS: Phoenix v: 5.24 date: 06/19/2009
CPU: Dual core Pentium E5200 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1200/2500 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: X.org 1.19.2 driver: nvidia
tty size: 90x28 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller
driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (4.8% used)
Info: Processes: 150 Uptime: 21 min Memory: 189.9/3153.3MB
Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.5

I don't have much installed yet but so far so good

[ttuuxxx]

I did a new woof-CE auto build this afternoon, also compiled a new
kernel with the kernel kit.

System: Host: puppypc25388 Kernel: 4.9.15-4G i686 (32 bit) Desktop:

I don't have much installed yet but so far so good

Nice and congratulations
ttuuxxx