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DavidSpector

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Dec 2017, 14:38    Post subject:  Success and problems
Subject description: Targeting to the Eee Asus 1000HE netbook
 

8Geee, I was referred to this thread by bigpup because I have created a live USB drive from the puppy Slacko distro s57-2018a.iso on target computer Eee Asus 1000HE, which runs Windows XP on every alternate boot.

This distro works nicely for the most part. Thanks for your work. The mouse, keyboard, audio, screen, Internet, and browser all work fine.

The first time I booted, I got the often-occurring error message "puppy_slacko_5.7.sfs not found", even though that file was on the USB drive, plain as day. I say "often-occurring" because I've found reports of it 8 years back on the Web, and I've encountered it myself with every distro I've tried on this 1000HE. It seems to be a bug that is inherited by all distros created from either puppy or Linux in general.

The standard syslinux.cfg file ends with the option "pmedia=cd". I don't think this causes the bug, because changing to strings like "usb" and "usbflash" doesn't usually help (I haven't tried it with s57-2018a.iso because I assume it will fail).

So I do the old trick of moving the puppy_slacko_5.7.sfs file from the USB drive to the Windows C: drive on the target computer, and editing that final option in syslinux.cfg to "pmedia=atahd". This makes the Linux boot look on the Windows C: drive partition to find the SFS file. This works.

However, any customizations of the resulting live Linux are lost, because when Saving during Quit or Reboot the reported size is -24 MB (yes, negative). Either the save file is not loaded on the next boot (I don't see it in the messages scrolling by) or it is loaded but is empty.

Can anyone listening to this thread help me?
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 03:33    Post subject:  

If you open /mnt/home/extlinux.conf what do you see on Line 12?

The version should contain 'append initrd=initrd.gz pmedia=usbflash pfix=copy' without marks.

That is in addition to 'cd' initrd has these other qualities.

Be careful using FAT based files, they fragment.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 10:20    Post subject:  Results  

I opened the Edit icon and got Geany. The choices were root and File System. I chose File System, not sure why. Then I opened mnt. Under mnt there was no home directory. There was a flash directory, but it is empty. Not sure what I should do now.

Some questions: Doesn't Linux have a defragmenter? And why should the USB drive get fragmented if it is never written?
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 12:21    Post subject: Re: Results  

DavidSpector wrote:
I opened the Edit icon and got Geany. The choices were root and File System. I chose File System, not sure why. Then I opened mnt. Under mnt there was no home directory. There was a flash directory, but it is empty. Not sure what I should do now.

You can probably get there by clicking on the flash stick icon on desktop (probably sdb1, last one on the bottom of this image).



Once you have it open in the file manager, you can probably open text files by right-clicking on them and Open as Text.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 12:49    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus, When I clicked on the USB plug icon, I got a file manager, not gparted.

The file manager was looking at mnt/sdb, if I recall correctly. But the files it showed were only the files on the USB drive, the same files that were put there when I created the puppy boot system.

There is no "home" or any other directory.
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 12:51    Post subject:  

DavidSpector wrote:
The file manager was looking at mnt/sdb, if I recall correctly. But the files it showed were only the files on the USB drive, the same files that were put there when I created the puppy boot system.

There is no "home" or any other directory.

The directory you're in (mnt/sdb) is the one 8Geee is talking about. It's only called "home" after you create a savefile. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 12:54    Post subject:    

So I am stuck now. Don't know how to do this kind of debugging.

I added more information to my previous posting, but it seems to have been ignored or deleted by the forum system.

There is no such file.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 12:56    Post subject:  

Just in case it didn't get posted, I am stuck.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 16:47    Post subject:  

What you are looking for is found by clicking on the House then clicking on the up arrow on top-left. Evidently you didnot create a save-file when first run was completed.

I do not know how you downloaded the Puppy, but it looks like f2fs, because the drive is full. Also I don't read Japanese/Chinese, so the screenshots don't help.

Editted out. The OP wants a live usb... I don't know how to do that. I just do the usual puppy on the usb (mode 13).

Also tell us how you get Windows to boot on every alternate start-up. Live cd rewritable might be a better choice.


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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 17:18    Post subject:  

8Geee, before I attempt to follow your instructions, some of the things you said made me believe that you did not read the OP for this thread. I cannot create a Save file because the size is always zero (actually, -24 MB).

I'm not even sure I am able to follow your instructions.

Please confirm that you know what is happening and that I should try to follow your instructions.

I am a beginner, but this Linux work is pretty loose and random, not at all what I am used to after 40 years creating and debugging software. I know that sounds critical, but it is not just a response to you, but to all the advice I've received in this and other forums about Linux. It just seems so strange and experimental instead of being clear and logical. Maybe you can set me straight on this?
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 18:16    Post subject:  

Editted my previous post, I do not know how to make a live usb, just pupmode 13, independent of Windows.

Its not the computer, its the method, and translation from Chinese/Japanese.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 18:38    Post subject:  

Oh. Murga thought that you had created this ISO.

I don't see any Japanese or Chinese characters anywhere. I do not know what "pupmode 13" is or how it differs from a live Linux.

So just let me ask you this: do you have any idea why this puppy will not Save? Why it says that the Save file would be -24 MB?

If you can't help, I guess I'll post again and see if bigpup can help me further. He had no idea why the size would be -24 MB but thought you would know.

Maybe it's just that the Eee Asus 1000HE is too weird for Linux. I wonder if I could find a distro of the original Linux that was designed for the OEM 1000HE.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 18:50    Post subject:  

ADDED to previous posting:

Does https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1000HE help you any?

How about http://www.geteasypeasy.com/ ?
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2017, 18:54    Post subject:  

@DavidSpector: I replied to your other thread here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=978192#978192
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Dec 2017, 15:10    Post subject:    

I've given up on Slacko puppy, also on several others.

I found EasyPeasy, which really works right away, and perfectly. Since it comes from Ubuntu, you specify some storage size in the installer (I used 100 MB) so your live EasyPeasy has persistent storage automatically (no Save required).
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