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Fatdog64 crashed and couldn't reboot off of savefile
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PappyPuppy

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 10:43    Post subject:  Fatdog64 crashed and couldn't reboot off of savefile
Subject description: I have no dev-save directory of the virtual file system
 

I don't remember how to start up (initialize?) the virtual file system so I can peer over onto my Windows drive that I've been saving everything to. Under aufs, I have pup_init, pup_multi, pup_ro, pup_rw, pup_save, but devsave isgone.

How can I either 1) view the files on that lost partition somehow
or 2) get the virutal file system going again.

And 3) How can I make sure the system understands my password. I never had to enter it,since perhaps it had been saved. I would be happy to reset it to no password.

One of the messages on boot was perhaps fatal, "cannot log in to xserver, giving up"

Thanks.
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PappyPuppy

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 10:49    Post subject: I have not studied the savefile idea
Subject description: Is that the file that gets decompressed on boot up?
 

Each time it boots, it decompresses something.

Can I do away with this?

It seems I need that dev-save directory in there but how to get it? Or work around it somehow?
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 10:50    Post subject: I would be happy to put a USB flashstick in and work off tha
Subject description: Or back things up
 

Perhaps I should involve a flashstick?
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 10:52    Post subject: Ok, I found something called sda2 that seems to have my old
Subject description: files
 

sda2 looks like my old windows files. I'll see iof they are only readonly.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 11:05    Post subject: I can see the files with the Rox File Manager
Subject description: But I cannot see the files when I go to import my bookmarks
 

I need to understand why I cannot see the .json files and/or .html backups of my bookmarks. I want to load them. FOr now, Perhaps I can copy them to a different drive,b ut I mean in general, how can I solve this problem?

ANy help appreciated.

I can open a file with the Geany editor and save it. But SeaMonkey doesn't see the contents of an html file from the mnt/sda2
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drunkjedi


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 11:13    Post subject:  

Take a deep breath.
Don't panic.
And list out few things.
1) Your PC system specs. And what version of Windows is on it?
2) How and where is the Fatdog installed.
3) How long were you using Fatdog?
4) Did you create a savefile or savefolder? and where?
5) What did you do before the problem came?
6) What exactly is the problem?

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 11:13    Post subject: I copied my html files to a directory called usr
Subject description: I then reimported them into SeaMonkey
 

So using that little "trick", I now have all my Internet links back in SeaMonkey.

Is it ok to leave that html file in usr or should I delete it?
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PappyPuppy

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 11:20    Post subject: I will answer your questions
Subject description: It may take a little time.
 

drunkjedi wrote:
Take a deep breath.
Don't panic.
And list out few things.
1) Your PC system specs. And what version of Windows is on it?
2) How and where is the Fatdog installed.
3) How long were you using Fatdog?
4) Did you create a savefile or savefolder? and where?
5) What did you do before the problem came?
6) What exactly is the problem?


2x Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU E7300 @ 2.66GHz

Linux 3.18.7 (x86_64) circa Nov 16, 16:01:58:11 WIIB 2015

It was a Windows 10 machine.
I boot off the Fatdog CD.
I have been using it for like 3 or 4 months or so.
At one time, I had a savefolder. I no longer want to do this. I would like to just save stuff either on Windows or Linux - no Virtual File system. Perhaps I can find a way to do this - perhaps not? we'll see.
I didn't do anything obvious to create the problem of occasional Abi Word Processor hangups or is it an OS hangup of the cursor? Then I rebooted but I don't yet have a log to show.
I just want to go forwards and not use a savefile if posssible. There's something not workign with the savefile idea.

I started using fatdog because I lost interest in troubleshooting the windows os on the machine. I don't mind using it as a fatdog machine. It's just the little cursor to crosshairs hangup bug. It just happens once in a while. It's not my fault. There's an OS bug in there somewhere.

Things like editors and Geany programming editors are only picky about LFLF or LF or whatever. Some of these tools are easier to use across OS's. I can just change line endings when I need to upload myfiles to a shared repository for some software devel. project I'm working on. I'm not a linux user for much time. It willt ake some learning.

Many, many years ago, I used profiles abd scripts on a Unix, a Next or Sun workstation but it's too long ago to remember much.

I might need some help in answering youru question about where the savefolder is. Idon't know.
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drunkjedi


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 11:32    Post subject:  

You can certainly use Fatdog or any puppy without savefile or savefolder.
You just have to remaster or you loose all the changes you made.

I hope you didn't delete your old savefolder.
Boot fatdog with that savefolder loaded.
And remaster.
I have never done this, so someone more knowledgeable will come and help you.

Other way is to get all programs as sfs and load them when needed.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 12:26    Post subject: I did have a savefile but there is not one in /root/ anymore
Subject description: I went into System Savefile tool and it doesn't find anything.
 

I'll need to know how to setup fatdog better - like boot off cd? hard-drive? savefile types? sfs eetc.. I need to leaqrn all this. I don't know how to create a savefile but I'll probably figure it out.
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TeX Dog

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 12:33    Post subject:  

Reread his description... READ-ONLY! he needs to reboot in windows and run checkdisk to clear dirty bit on windows drive. Savefile on a read only filesystem. There has been WAY TOO many corrupt file issues with last year releases of FD64, I no longer trust its use.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 12:56    Post subject:  

Linux mount command mounts ntfs drive read only if hibernation file is present in that drive.
This is default behaviour of win10 and mount command.
Not a Fatdog bug.

And as he said he did have savefolder that means he did disable default behaviour of hibernation while shutting down win10 (fast boot).

What I suspect is win10 update may have enabled hibernation again as my win10 did change my settings after update too.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 12:58    Post subject:  

And yes he may need to reboot in Windows and disable hibernation fastboot while shutting down behavior.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 16:26    Post subject:  

I think M$ expects to own our hardware. Twisted Evil

yes the dangers of using dual boot bites again. At least his savefile most likely is ok.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016, 19:38    Post subject:  

drunkjedi wrote:
Linux mount command mounts ntfs drive read only if hibernation file is present in that drive.
This is default behaviour of win10 and mount command.
Not a Fatdog bug.

And as he said he did have savefolder that means he did disable default behaviour of hibernation while shutting down win10 (fast boot).

What I suspect is win10 update may have enabled hibernation again as my win10 did change my settings after update too.


I am not using Windows 10 anymore. I simply like having the files from it. They are now read-only - they were not read-only before because "the system" had installed the virtual file system. That system is now not running. Hence, I need to make decisions as to how to deal with the windows directories in a writable manner. I don't yet know how to do that. I never intend to run windows again on this machine. If I have to disable the hiberation files somehow, it would have to be from oustide windows. The Windows 10 OS does not work anymore. It will not boot windows anymore. I will keep the machine as a Linux machine unless I were to discover a process of repairing Windows 10 from within Linux (Fatdog64). I'm sure a process like that could be invented but it has details that I don't know of. I don't spend a lot of time administrating PCs. I normally just use them. This takes me a little bit far afield. I just use PCs to write and upload software. I don't yet know how to proceed but at least I can use the machine now that I don't use the savefile on boot. I keep reading fatdog's help file but it's not much help.
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