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passenger237

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 16:39    Post subject:  apt-get : command not found  

Yesterday I installed Slacko Puppy 64- 3.2. into a H110 motherboard, with an i3 and 8g ram.

The first thing I went to do was update the system using apt-get

the computer replied

bash: apt: command not found

Figuring updating the system might require a slackware command, I tried

slackpkg

the computer replied

bash: slackpkg: command not found

So then I experimented, trying. yum, zipper urpmi, gslapt

Each time the computer replied

bash: ____ : command not found

ppm in terminal

gives me Puppy Package Manager v2

from which I could install, amoungst other options

gslapt-05.3

slapt-get-0.10.2q

slapt-src-03.2f

xf86-input-snaptics-1.7.1

but apt (alone is not offered)

So my question is, what do I install to be able to update my system from the command line?
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 16:49    Post subject:  

You can use Menu -> Setup -> Updates Manager for Slackware 14.1 updates.
A Slacko 6.9.6 puppy is now out with Slackware 14.2, might want to try a fresh install with that one also for newer things.
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 16:56    Post subject:  

Try PPM (Puppy Package Manager) it does what apt-get does.
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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:02    Post subject:  

Top and bottom of it is.....you don't.

Puppy is totally unlike most of the 'big' distros, where you are continually being offered upgrade after upgrade after upgrade, update after update. Personally, I came to Puppy to get away from all the damn upgrades that were slowly breaking my machine, one day at a time.

In short, Puppy doesn't have regular 'upgrades' like the big distros. Reason? The 'big' distros have entire teams (very often paid) doing nothing but work on the upgrade packages. Other teams, focussing on development, and new, upcoming versions. Yet more teams, looking after software and package management.....

You need to understand, most Pups are the work of a single individual. Usually, each one is a 'snapshot in time' at the moment when that Puppy was created. And that individual sure as hell isn't getting paid for his time. It's often a 'labour of love'; performed for the sheer enjoyment it affords. Very occasionally, you will get a 'dev' who takes it upon themselves to support their creation for a period of time. Tahrpup is one of these.....and 666philb (Phil Broughton) is still issuing regular 'bugfix' updates. But it will be entirely up to him when that comes to an end; Phil is working on at least 3 or 4 other projects that I know of.....

With Puppy, you tend to only upgrade (manually) things that you want to upgrade.....when you want to upgrade them. Not automatically, every time somebody with too much time on their hands decides to change a couple of things here and there for the hell of it (which usually breaks something else).....and then calls it a new release, or a security 'patch'. Rolling Eyes

Hope that clarifies things a wee bit.


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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:06    Post subject:  

smokey01 wrote:
Try PPM (Puppy Package Manager) it does what apt-get does.


Smokey, I think the OP is after something along the lines of

Code:
sudo apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist upgrade


...where the entire OS is simultaneously updated, every little piece of it. He'll not find that in Puppy; and a lot of folks don't understand why. They usually start off with one of the 'buntu-based distros, get used to all the above 'apt-get' stuff, and naturally, think that's the way it works in all Linux distros.

Can't really blame them.


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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:13    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
You can use Menu -> Setup -> Updates Manager for Slackware 14.1 updates..


Only offers updates for firefox and seamonkey

smokey01 wrote:
Try PPM (Puppy Package Manager) it does what apt-get does.


Offers

gslapt-0.5.3j

and

slapt-get-0.10.2q

edit: for the one spelling mistake I noticed
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:16    Post subject:    

Spot on Mr. Walsh, Sir -- Bravo!
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:24    Post subject:  

One of the main reasons I'm with puppy. It sounds too much like windows to me. Also all that sudo and su malarkey, it just gets in the way.

I thought he just wanted to install/update some software. PPM does that.

Must have read it too quickly.

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:34    Post subject:  

You'll never get a"apt-get upgrade" or anything similar to work on Puppy. It just isn't designed for it. That can be good or bad depending on your point of view.

You might take a look at Debian Dog, which is built to look and act Puppyish, but is built on a Debian Live (or Ubuntu) base and includes apt and synaptic out of the box, instead of the Puppy Package Manager.

https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:36    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh wrote:


Smokey, I think the OP is after something along the lines of

Code:
sudo apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist upgrade


...where the entire OS is simultaneously updated, every little piece of it.


Close but not quite.

I was thinking to update the system and then using Puppy's how to, to miigrate to Devuan to get away from systemd. But without a command line update ability, the miigration might not be possible.

Quote:
They usually start off with one of the 'buntu-based distros,


I did start with Mint, but have been using Magiea for the last 4 or 5 years.

Maybe I'll just stay with Puppy. So far I'm impressed.

smokey01 wrote:

I thought he just wanted to install/update some software. PPM does that.


If I want something that I can't find in ppm I'll install from source
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:38    Post subject:  

passenger237 wrote:
Sailor Enceladus wrote:
You can use Menu -> Setup -> Updates Manager for Slackware 14.1 updates..


Only offers updates for firefox and seamonkey

I use 32-bit, and it has all the updates listed here (that are in slacko) as they arrive. I guess your 6.3.2 is already up to date?
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:45    Post subject:  

apt-get? The nerve of this guy?? Mr. Green Me? I'm gonna remain an "In-Patient." Very HappyWink
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:51    Post subject:  

smokey01 wrote:
One of the main reasons I'm with puppy. It sounds too much like windows to me. Also all that sudo and su malarkey, it just gets in the way.

I thought he just wanted to install/update some software. PPM does that.

Must have read it too quickly.

Cheers


'It sounds too much like Windows to me'. That's about the size of it. I came to Linux to get away from Windows; began with Ubuntu. Within days of installing it, and getting updates by the bucket-load every single day, I began to think I'd re-installed Windows..!

I like the way Pup is set-up. 'If it ain't broke.....' Works for me.


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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:55    Post subject:  

Semme wrote:
apt-get? The nerve of this guy?? Mr. Green Me? I'm gonna remain an "In-Patient." Very Happy Wink


I feel the same way about GRUB2. Compare it with Grub4DOS, and.....well, honestly. How the hell can somebody make a simple bootloader that bloody complicated, huh..? Rolling Eyes

Methinks some of the dinosaur 'geeks' had some input on that one..!

'Let's make it as complicated as possible; we don't want newcomers joining the club...'

(*sheesh*)


Mike. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2016, 17:56    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh, I agree completely with everything you've said Laughing
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