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Do you still use Windows, and if so, what are your reasons?
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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 17:37    Post subject:  Do you still use Windows, and if so, what are your reasons?  

This thread is for people who still use Windows (I'm one of them), in the hope that those of us who still do can pool our experiences and then either bin it or come to a better understanding of our options.

My computer came with Vista already installed, and although I've sometimes been tempted to wipe it and become Linux-only (or maybe install one of the BSDs), so far I haven't done so.

Why not? Well, Wine (as I'm sure even its devs will admit) isn't perfect and there are some programs that don't run as well in it as they will in Windows

The bigger problem though is that since I've had fast broadband, I've had to concede that the Windows drivers are better at starting the router up in the morning than those of pretty much any Linux distro I've seen. Puppy is one of the best in this regard as it's reasonably straightforward to reconfigure the network manually, but it still often takes two or three tries to get online if I power up the machine (and the router) first thing in the morning.

What does everyone else think?

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James C


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 17:50    Post subject:  

I still use Windows but as little as possible. Same story, some applications that either do not work correctly in Wine or have no equivalent native Linux app.

I'm probably 90% Linux and 10% Windows. Tahr64 and Windows 7 primarily.
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Pete


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 17:54    Post subject:  

Hi my name is Pete and I haven't touched Windows for several months now. Very Happy

Well not entirely true as at work I have to use the wretched thing but at home it's a no-no.
Recently bought a second hand HP Elitebook with Win 10 on it, first order of business was to nuke Win 10 off the HDD and put Slacko on it.

Cannot believe how quick it is compared to before.
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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 17:56    Post subject:  

James C wrote:
I still use Windows but as little as possible. Same story, some applications that either do not work correctly in Wine or have no equivalent native Linux app.

I'm probably 90% Linux and 10% Windows. Tahr64 and Windows 7 primarily.


Thanks for replying James, and I agree entirely. 90% Linux and 10% Windows is about where I am too.

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ally


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 18:00    Post subject:  

I have been solid puppy for many years except for some specialist medical software

this rarely comes out now due to poor health preventing me working

I find windows now to be extremely frustrating, mainly speed, my son has an i7 gaming laptop with heaps of ram, my eeepc with puppee can boot and shutdown before his reaches a desktop

having said that I find mainstream linux distros much the same, feckin sudo and permissions does my head in!!

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foxpup

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Location: europa

PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 18:41    Post subject:  

I have HBCD mini XP installed to use rufus and unstoppable copier.

Rufus is very easy and good to make a bootable usb.
I use UC to make a second backup. I often make a backup to my first external HD with gadmin-rsync. Only a few times a year I make a backup of the first backup to my second external HD. Because my external HD's are both NFTS I prefer to do it in windows and it is faster with UC.

In all, that is not even 5% of my time on PC.

At work I have to use windows and it is fast because it is on a lot of expensive servers I do not have to pay for Wink
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 18:44    Post subject: Do you still use Windows, and if so, what are your reasons?  

I use both but mainly linux, have Windows 10 on the 32gb SSD and now running
puppex-slacko64 from a 32gb usb-3.0 flash drive.

I picked up the adapter that I needed to connect 2 monitors to the hp
mini stream and it's working great.

# uname -ra
Linux puppex 4.7.2-x86_64-puppex #2 SMP Mon Aug 22 20:31:53 EDT
2016 x86_64 Intel(R) Celeron(R) 2957U @ 1.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
#

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: PuppEX Slack64, version 6.3.2

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics
Controller (rev 0b)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1920x1080
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
Loaded modules: dbe dri2 extmod fb fbdevhw glx kbd mouse

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 3840x1080 pixels (1013x285 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
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I usually boot Windows 10 about once month and spend a couple of hours udating everything,
doing a quick scan (if 30 minutes can be called quick) and then shut it down.

Don't use Windows often but keep it just in case I do need it,
if I wanted to sell the pc most potential buyers would want Windows I think.
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dancytron

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 18:46    Post subject:  

I still use Windows XP. I have a USB TV Dongle and matching remote control that only work with Windows. I also use Beyond TV as a TV/DVR program and I am used to it and really like it.
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Pete


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 18:48    Post subject: Re: Do you still use Windows, and if so, what are your reasons?  

Billtoo wrote:
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I picked up the adapter that I needed to connect 2 monitors to the hp
mini stream and it's working great.


@Biltoo

I thought it was called Display Port or have I got it wrong and thinking of something else?
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 18:55    Post subject: Re: Do you still use Windows, and if so, what are your reasons?  

Pete wrote:
Billtoo wrote:
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I picked up the adapter that I needed to connect 2 monitors to the hp
mini stream and it's working great.


@Biltoo

I thought it was called Display Port or have I got it wrong and thinking of something else?


It has a HDMI port + a display port, I got an adapter for the display port that allows connecting a HDMI cable to it so I use the HDMI port on each monitor.

xrandr --output HDMI1 --auto --output HDMI2 --auto --right-of HDMI1
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Pete


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 18:57    Post subject:  

Thanks Billtoo, perfect, we are on the same page.
What do you think the chances are of getting three displays going?
The built-in one, the HDMI and the Display Port.

EDIT:

What the heck, let's try with 4 displays. Very Happy
Built-in
HDMI
Display Port
USB to VGA

Do-able?
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rokytnji

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 19:21    Post subject:  

One dedicated desktop computer and laptop computer for

http://www.mastertune.net/

Which is windows only.

You probably cannot tune EU or Brit fuel injected, electronic ignition, machines either without using windows or mac.
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nic007


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Location: Cradle of Humankind

PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 20:29    Post subject:  

My online income tax filing system requires windows and internet explorer. I also need windows for printing as my printer does not have a linux driver. I sometimes use windows for windows programs I can't get going with wine (there may or not be linux alternatives). I have used windows in the past to fix fat and ntfs filesystems which puppy managed to bugger up somehow. So yes, still need windows.
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nitehawk


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Location: West Central Florida

PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 21:42    Post subject:  

I have to use Windows about 2 days out of the week. That's 'cause the grandson comes for a "sleep-over" ....and his homeschooling stuff is usually only accessed through windows. Well,...it probably COULD be just as well accessed from linux,...but he is so used to M$, that he refuses to even try linux (same as his mom, and his sister).

Not to mention that all of his games, gaming software etc etc. etc. etc. can only be accessed from windows. <sigh>. Most of ALL the other times, I am using Linux exclusively. (Mostly Debian-based or Puppies). For which-ever of the six or seven computers that are around here,...that I happen to be using at any particular time. Can't stand windows personally.

EDIT: Oh,..and the reason I say that I have to use windows when the grandson is here,...is that he insists that I sit down at another computer, and help download and get involved in the "Mugen" windows game he is so obsessed with at this time. I think he is addicted to it.
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TyroBGinner

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016, 22:01    Post subject:  

I fear that even asking the question stated in the topic could get Colonel Panic busted at least seven grades.

Honestly - and this is my direct experience - Windows XP is more responsive in ordinary use than Puppy Linux on my old P3. In XP, video playback is far better. XP boot times are noticeably longer.

On a typical, current PC, Windows 8 and Tahrpup move with similar dexterity. In ordinary use, I guess saturation has occurred. The hybrid shutdown feature in Windows allows for very rapid booting.

Driver support overall is invariably going to be better in Windows than in Linux. This has great relevance in GPU performance. For gaming, Windows is the only game in town.

As stated elsewhere, my Windows to Linux usage is about 3 to 1.
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