Ah the "Australis/ChromeFox renovation" happened in Firefox 29, so I use Firefox 28. Firefox 3.6 was nice, but doesn't support a lot of things now - heh. Some sites like Youtube and Facebook say that Firefox 28 is outdated, but besides those nag screens I don't see any real issues. The main advantage is that it works better (and faster) on 1GB RAM than the newer versions for me.greengeek wrote:Any idea which exact version that is? Keen to know what people find still works well for them. I recall mikeb was still running FF 3.6 last time he posted (where has he gone??)Sailor Enceladus wrote:- Old Firefox (before Austalis)
Puppy - Which programs do you need/want?
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This is a bit of a random comment, but I recently tried to install F.lux (a program that modifies the screen's light depending on the hour of the day in order to protect your eyes), and I found nothing in the Tahrpup Package Manager, otherwise so well supplied.
(As a sidenote, shouldn't a program like that, given that it works, be mandatory like, in every computer ever? )
(As a sidenote, shouldn't a program like that, given that it works, be mandatory like, in every computer ever? )
Hello Rattlehead.Rattlehead wrote:This is a bit of a random comment, but I recently tried to install F.lux (a program that modifies the screen's light depending on the hour of the day in order to protect your eyes), and I found nothing in the Tahrpup Package Manager, otherwise so well supplied.
(As a sidenote, shouldn't a program like that, given that it works, be mandatory like, in every computer ever? )
Not necessarily. You can modify the lighting in your computer studio using
curtains and lamps, can you not?
Just a thought. BFN.
musher0
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Basic puppy*: Slacko 5.7 Frugal install (pupmode=13)
Browser*: FF27.0.1 configured (YT D/L included)
Video Edit (simple): avidemeux 2.5.5-s5 (edits YT)
Office: FreeOffice 6.97 (pre Win10) trimmed to language specific and manuals moved to HDD
paint*: mtPaint (mine is 3.44.48 IIRC... newer is available elsewhere here)
* found in slacko5.7-2017 elsewhere here with latest security upgrades.
As others have pointed out spice, and clones need wine and dep. pkgs.
Regards
8Geee
Browser*: FF27.0.1 configured (YT D/L included)
Video Edit (simple): avidemeux 2.5.5-s5 (edits YT)
Office: FreeOffice 6.97 (pre Win10) trimmed to language specific and manuals moved to HDD
paint*: mtPaint (mine is 3.44.48 IIRC... newer is available elsewhere here)
* found in slacko5.7-2017 elsewhere here with latest security upgrades.
As others have pointed out spice, and clones need wine and dep. pkgs.
Regards
8Geee
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K3b is reputedly the best Linux CD burner. That's the program that I would want to try on tahr or slacko.
Quote from a lifehacker article:
Anyone up to the challenge?
Quote from a lifehacker article:
Apart from the technical reason, there may be a political reason why it hasn't been done in mainstream puppy.It is a KDE program, however, meaning if you use any other desktop environment it'll require a good amount of KDE dependencies to install, which some users don't like.
Anyone up to the challenge?
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It has been used in the past in puppy, Example
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=71862
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=71862
Devuan Linux, Stardust 013 (4.31) updated [url]https://archive.org/details/Stardustpup013glibc2.10[/url]
s57(2018)barebone[url]https://sourceforge.net/projects/puppy-linux-minimal-builds/files/s57%282018%29barebones.iso/download[/url]
s57(2018)barebone[url]https://sourceforge.net/projects/puppy-linux-minimal-builds/files/s57%282018%29barebones.iso/download[/url]
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I emphasize try. If I heard New Zealand butter was the best butter, I would want to sample it. I did not say other tools were lacking in features, though they might. I just want to try what is reputedly the best.greengeek wrote:
B.K. Johnson wrote:Any particular reason why the other existing tools are lacking in features? Have you tried Peasy disc tools?K3b is reputedly the best Linux CD burner. That's the program that I would want to try on tahr or slacko.
Re Peasy:
Yes, I have tried Peasy. see post starting here and ending here.
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Clarification is in order. My previous comment was the nutshell version of the thing. What F.lux and other programs of its kind do (and the physical screen filters too), is eliminating the blue light component from the light beam. It seems blue light frequency, close to UV rays, is the most harmful for the eyes. What you want is reducing the blue component as much as possible, but keeping red light untouched as much as possible.musher0 wrote: You can modify the lighting in your computer studio using
curtains and lamps, can you not?
Disclaimer: my source is Youtube, so this explanation might not be 100% exact. It is what I got out of watching videos from several guys and collecting what all of them coincided upon.
In case someone is interested, here's a link to a guy who runs a gorilla experiment on several filters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM0sBgVSSgs
Yes, I see your point.
I seem to recall there are some puppies that were focused on handling the KDE range of programs. Hopefully someone may be able to post some info on what it takes to run such things - ie: what would need to be added to Tahr or Slacko etc to run them.
I seem to recall a number of comments that KDE was too weighty for the puppy environment but I would imagine modern machines would have no issues.
On the basis of your recommendation I gave F.lux a go - it's nice that they have a Linux native version. I had mixed success - if I entered the zipcode 90210 (which I think is Hollywood or somewhere similar) the screen slowly dimmed to a much softer light. However if I tried to enter my local NZ zipcode (or even Canadian zipcodes) it didnt recognise them. I also tried entering longitude and latitude but it didnt seem to understand them. And then at one point the screen went into this weird flashing between a blue tint and a rose coloured tint. Nearly turned me epillepticRattlehead wrote:What F.lux and other programs of its kind do (and the physical screen filters too), is eliminating the blue light component from the light beam
I think it could be a useful program but I suspect needs fine tuning for local needs. I only used the older cli interface which i was able to download as a .tgz - I suspect the gui method would have been much better but I am not familiar with github yet.
Properly configured F.lux could be a good addition to Puppy.
Programs such as flux are little use to you unless you have first calibrated your screen and set your graphics card up to produce a natural light setting in the first place.
It is unlikely to be useful on standard laptop screens which tend towards a cool green/reddish tint anyway.
By all means use it to dim the back light especially if you are using your screen in bed as it will encourage tiredness.
It is unlikely to be useful on standard laptop screens which tend towards a cool green/reddish tint anyway.
By all means use it to dim the back light especially if you are using your screen in bed as it will encourage tiredness.
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett
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Beverly Hills 90210. That's the random zip code I always put in to places that need one too, hahahgreengeek wrote:if I entered the zipcode 90210 (which I think is Hollywood or somewhere similar)
So this forum should really be red instead of blue? edit: And your avatar as well?Rattlehead wrote:What F.lux and other programs of its kind do (and the physical screen filters too), is eliminating the blue light component from the light beam. It seems blue light frequency, close to UV rays, is the most harmful for the eyes. What you want is reducing the blue component as much as possible, but keeping red light untouched as much as possible
Last time I tried it wasn't the same, ie. tabs were shorter, but didn't try any customization. Might give it another go...Burn_IT wrote:It takes a little work, but there is an add on called CLASSIC THEME RESTORER which makes later versions look like earlier ones so you get the later security fixes but keep the good old looks.
I use it.
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I have often used Jana Valley New Zealand butter. Nice - it has a light, clean, sweet flavor...a bit like ice cream.
For zip codes, I use 90125.
Much of what is packaged with puppy versions, especialy older ones, is far outstripped by mainstream open-source material. You have to give up a lot for compactness.
Newer versions are often improvements and reperesent an advantage to upgrading.
I am requesting the current version of TeX, but certainly no one should break their neck trying to provide it - the TeX Live iso serves its purpose pretty well.
For zip codes, I use 90125.
Much of what is packaged with puppy versions, especialy older ones, is far outstripped by mainstream open-source material. You have to give up a lot for compactness.
Newer versions are often improvements and reperesent an advantage to upgrading.
I am requesting the current version of TeX, but certainly no one should break their neck trying to provide it - the TeX Live iso serves its purpose pretty well.
Yikes!! This link says the iso is 2GB ! Surely there can't be a puppy fat enough to run that can there??TyroBGinner wrote:I am requesting the current version of TeX, but certainly no one should break their neck trying to provide it - the TeX Live iso serves its purpose pretty well.
I think the way to do it rather than as part of the intial iso is to do a science/math service pack for puppylinux.greengeek wrote:Yikes!! This link says the iso is 2GB ! Surely there can't be a puppy fat enough to run that can there??TyroBGinner wrote:I am requesting the current version of TeX, but certainly no one should break their neck trying to provide it - the TeX Live iso serves its purpose pretty well.
I think a standard barebones puppy (32 and 64 bit) should be issued with necessary drivers, networking, printing intact. Then we need a dedicated repository for applications ie. Pets, sfs's, etc. which will all work with this standard issue (the necessary libs included). This will make things easier and give the user freedom of choice.
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I like this approach too, having an almost empty menu and then populating it with whatever you need/want from PPM after.nic007 wrote:I think a standard barebones puppy (32 and 64 bit) should be issued with necessary drivers, networking, printing intact. Then we need a dedicated repository for applications ie. Pets, sfs's, etc. which will all work with this standard issue (the necessary libs included). This will make things easier and give the user freedom of choice.
Mike Walsh just posted re a similar program here:Rattlehead wrote:. What F.lux and other programs of its kind do (and the physical screen filters too), is eliminating the blue light component from the light beam.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 322#919322