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I finally woofed a loading Puduan Pup! With lots of help!
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musher0

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Aug 2016, 01:41    Post subject:  

@Sailor Enceladus:

With MY iso? LMHO!
Now get this straight, Sailor: flattery won't get you anywhere! Laughing

Seriously: I was hopîng you'd go further than I did with the new mods provided by
jlst. My truly sincere sympathies.

What went wrong?
~~~~~~~~~~

Thinking out loud:

Back to square 1, eh?
Like in the Monopoly game: Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Sounds as if once upon a time somebody had the key but forgot it along the way
or threw it in the river...

Logging in just now before I read your message, I was thinking that Puppy creation
needed a complete re-think: Puppy From Scratch or something like that.

How did member "wanderer" do it when he published a series of Puppies-CE in
the void (interim) between BK's retirement and the official creation of the woof-CE
process?

I should keep my mouth shut, I'm almost a complete newbie in distro creation and
I'm not half as knowledgeable as some of the guys and gals here, but still, it's
bugging me.

"There has to be a modulo or some sort of fractal formula that will pull us through.
I don't know, maybe a simple but maxi loop at some level of abstraction with a
number of interchangeable objects that would end up with putting a Puppy CD in
your hand." (Quote from Moi!)

Problem seems to be a maximum number of moving targets at the same time.
If we could order a couple of them to stay still for a minute or two: "Hey you!
Don't move! Stop wiggling!"

Sorry for being so vague. BFN.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Aug 2016, 18:50    Post subject:  

the DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-devuan-jessie in woof is pretty sparse, so i took xenialpups DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS and adapted it for the devuan build.

it's far from perfect but you might find it a better base to work from.

one oddity is that drive icons appear on the left for some reason Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Aug 2016, 21:27    Post subject:  

Thanks phil.

I'll give it a try.

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BTW, in the Choose packages tab, are we supposed to choose anything? Or is it
automatic? If we choose every package individually, that's quite a chore.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Aug 2016, 21:50    Post subject:  

What now?

My question is not so much about where and how to find them, but rather where to
put them once I've found them.
    -- Do I download the *.debs and put them in directory XYZ or
    -- do I open one of the databases and insert the info? (Which one, please?)
    -- Maybe both?
Thanks in advance.
Quote:
1 This is a report on the last time the '0setup' script was run.
2 Date and time '0setup' last run: dim aoû 14 21:39:23 EDT 2016
3 Compatible-distro and release-name: devuan, jessie
4 Mostly only errors get logged, so the less seen below, the better.
5 Log of last run of '0setup':
6
8 Checking that compat-distro pkgs specified in PKGS_SPECS_TABLE actually exi 8 st...
9 FAIL: libtsan0
10 FAIL: libgnutls-dev
11 FAIL: ndiswrapper
12 FAIL: libgnutls30
13
14 Finished, but some failures. You need to fix the above entries in variable
15 PKGS_SPECS_TABLE in file DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-devuan-jessie.
16 Search for suitable packages in these files:
17 Packages-devuan-jessie-main
18 Packages-devuan-jessie-contrib
19 Packages-devuan-jessie-non-free
20 Or, search online. In the case of Debian or Ubuntu, you can search
21 at packages.debian.org or packages.ubuntu.com.
22 After you have fixed PKGS_SPECS_TABLE, run this script again.

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 00:30    Post subject:  

@666philb: Very nice! I see what you mean with the drive icons Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 00:44    Post subject:  

Glad you made it, Sailor! Way to go! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 02:22    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
What now?

My question is not so much about where and how to find them, but rather where to
put them once I've found them.
    -- Do I download the *.debs and put them in directory XYZ or
    -- do I open one of the databases and insert the info? (Which one, please?)
    -- Maybe both?
Thanks in advance.
Quote:
1 This is a report on the last time the '0setup' script was run.
2 Date and time '0setup' last run: dim aoû 14 21:39:23 EDT 2016
3 Compatible-distro and release-name: devuan, jessie
4 Mostly only errors get logged, so the less seen below, the better.
5 Log of last run of '0setup':
6
8 Checking that compat-distro pkgs specified in PKGS_SPECS_TABLE actually exi 8 st...
9 FAIL: libtsan0
10 FAIL: libgnutls-dev
11 FAIL: ndiswrapper
12 FAIL: libgnutls30
13
14 Finished, but some failures. You need to fix the above entries in variable
15 PKGS_SPECS_TABLE in file DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-devuan-jessie.
16 Search for suitable packages in these files:
17 Packages-devuan-jessie-main
18 Packages-devuan-jessie-contrib
19 Packages-devuan-jessie-non-free
20 Or, search online. In the case of Debian or Ubuntu, you can search
21 at packages.debian.org or packages.ubuntu.com.
22 After you have fixed PKGS_SPECS_TABLE, run this script again.

libtsan0 is just for 64bit builds

libgnutls30 is a left over entry from xenial and any package that needs it will need recompiling for puduan.. use checkdeps -system

ndiswrapper is probably obsolete with the latest kernels... if needed you'll should probably make a.pet. and add it to packages-puppy-paduan-official.

lots of stuff should be recompiled for puduan ... i added libjpeg8 so various xenial packages would work, but this isn't in the devuan repos. ideally it should be removed and specific puduan packages made. jwm abiword etc..

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 11:49    Post subject:  

Thanks, phil, for the information. We continue, then!
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PostPosted: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 17:40    Post subject:  

Wow, phil, you pulled us through! You're a genius! Smile

Ms. Minnie Delna Smile and a couple of other programs (one being InkScapeLite) are
reported missing.

More worrisome to me is that the window decorations in jwm and the urxvt font
refuse to be changed.


Also, I probably need to have a coffee with the person who did the new JWM
desk. It is seriously constraining any imaginative approach to the jwm tray bars.
For ex., if you wish to have two separate bars in .jwmrc-tray (please see attached
capture), it will ignore your changes or misinterpret them. I had quite a time
overriding this new JWM Desk.

I shouldn't bother because I personally have limited tolerance towards jwm overall.
I won't spend any time trying to solve this bug since I will be installing another
window manager. But it's sad for those who do like jwm.

However, when all is said and done, I am very grateful to you and also jlst for
your help in these pages and for having provided Puppyists with the means to build
a new Puppy canvas to work on.

Again, thanks. BFN.
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PostPosted: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 20:36    Post subject:  

666philb wrote:
(...)
libgnutls30 is a left over entry from xenial and any package that needs it will need recompiling for puduan.. use checkdeps -system

ndiswrapper is probably obsolete with the latest kernels... if needed you'll should probably make a.pet. and add it to packages-puppy-paduan-official.

lots of stuff should be recompiled for puduan ... i added libjpeg8 so various xenial packages would work, but this isn't in the devuan repos. ideally it should be removed and specific puduan packages made. jwm abiword etc..

Hello phil.

In light of what you said, what should be the criteria for choosing what needs to be
recompiled for the Puduan Pup?

Thanks in advance. BFN.

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 21:57    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Also, I probably need to have a coffee with the person who did the new JWM
desk. It is seriously constraining any imaginative approach to the jwm tray bars.
For ex., if you wish to have two separate bars in .jwmrc-tray (please see attached
capture), it will ignore your changes or misinterpret them. I had quite a time
overriding this new JWM Desk.

Haha good idea musher0. While you are having a chat and coffee with them, I will have a talk with Joe Wing himself about why the borders were removed in jwm 2.3.0, and how to get them back. It seems like the last version with them available is 2.2.2:

http://joewing.net/projects/jwm/releases/jwm-2.2.2.tar.xz

Joe winggggg! *shrieks like granny* Twisted Evil Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 01:30    Post subject:  

That's not nice, Sailor ! Bad kitty!!! Laughing I don't like jwm, but Joe Wingmueller
himself may be a nice person, I don't know.
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I had the same problem as you with the new jwm, except in my case it also looked
like aewm, with no icons to close or maxi/mini/mize. The window decorations
wouldn't follow the chosen theme either. So I went back to jwm v. 2.2.2 too, from
the pupjibaro.
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The old urxvt that's included is the pits. (Sorry, phil!) Very few of my scripts worked
with it.

So I compiled rxvt-unicode-9.22 from source on the Puduan Pup with parameter
"--enable-everything" (yep, such a thing exists!) and it's working great. Here it is for
you people to pluck off its branch!
https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZcpQBZwKYSJcxfIRpWuS3o2GMGdzcNEnG7
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The old jwm manager settings are just above the jwm Desk utility in the Desktop
sub-menu, BTW, if you don't like the suffering!
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Following phil's advice, these are the libs I installed as indicated by
Code:
checkdeps -system
Quote:
[/initrd/mnt/...our_Puduan]>ls -Algo
total 7156
-rw-r--r-- 1 2088573 aoû 15 22:41 libavcodec52-0.7.16-1-rosa2014.1.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 492833 aoû 15 22:55 libavformats52-0.7.16-1-rosa2014.1.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 60677 aoû 15 22:51 libavutil50-0.7.16-1-rosa2014.1.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 52916 aoû 15 22:54 libcdio12-0.82-5-rosa.lts2012.0.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 1056270 aoû 15 22:19 libdirectfb-1.2-9_1.2.10.0-5.1_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 61046 aoû 15 22:12 libelfg0_0.8.13-5_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 98804 aoû 15 22:16 libmhash2_0.9.9.9-7_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 673125 aoû 15 22:36 libperl5.18-5.18.2-8-rosa2014.1.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 34510 aoû 15 22:38 librest-0.7-0_0.7.92-3_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 38541 aoû 15 23:02 librtmp0-2.3-5-rosa2014.1.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 204690 aoû 15 22:09 libsdl1.2debian_1.2.15-10+b1_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 131266 aoû 15 22:11 libssh2-1_1.4.3-4.1+deb8u1_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 53402 aoû 15 22:17 libvlc5_2.2.4-1~deb8u1_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 414580 aoû 15 22:28 libvlccore8_2.2.4-1~deb8u1_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 554320 aoû 15 22:07 libvpx1_1.3.0-3_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 1279400 aoû 15 22:29 perl-base_5.20.2-3+deb8u6_i386.deb
If you need them, just say so, I'll make them available.

The only one that didn't register properly with the checkdeps utility is libcdio-
something-12 which I actually installed twice -- to no avail. But deadbeef is working
fine. (Beats me.)

Some of them are rpm archives that I found for the ROSA distro at pkgs.org. But
they work! (The Debian Jessie repo did not have them at all, or it had them but not
for the i386 architecture.)
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Finally, is it just in my head, or is this Puduan noticeably faster than any other Pup?

BFN.
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 05:49    Post subject:  

got a link for the iso?

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 06:19    Post subject:  

ally wrote:
got a link for the iso?

Smile
Many thanks for the offer, ally.

I'm almost there, give me another day, please.
There are still a couple of bugs.

BFN.

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 06:56    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
666philb wrote:
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libgnutls30 is a left over entry from xenial and any package that needs it will need recompiling for puduan.. use checkdeps -system

ndiswrapper is probably obsolete with the latest kernels... if needed you'll should probably make a.pet. and add it to packages-puppy-paduan-official.

lots of stuff should be recompiled for puduan ... i added libjpeg8 so various xenial packages would work, but this isn't in the devuan repos. ideally it should be removed and specific puduan packages made. jwm abiword etc..

Hello phil.

In light of what you said, what should be the criteria for choosing what needs to be
recompiled for the Puduan Pup?

Thanks in advance. BFN.


move libjpeg.so.8.0.2 and its symlink somewhere safe then run checkdeps -system

be warned that that particular jwm needs it so you'll need to move it back if you want to keep the system up.

deadbeef will need recompiling .... so you don't need to get those libs from alien distros, just recompile.

also installing libperl from another distro isn't what i meant ... i meant use checkdeps and then recompile those apps for puduan ... so add hexchat to the list ...although you might get away with just a symlink to puduans libperl.

you are liable to break something installing random libs not from the official repo

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