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favorite puppy features?
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learnhow2code

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jul 2016, 19:14    Post subject:  favorite puppy features?  

theres probably a thread about this already, feel free to point me to it (or reply to this one.)

id like to know everyones favorite puppy features. i do mean "features" like "things that puppy does" or "the way puppy does something." "its fast, and small" is a feature, but really not what im asking about.

this can be something that is included, or it can be a package manager, a wrapper, a special puppy filetype, a widget, boot option, package, etc.

prefer to have this about puppy-- if you mention a feature of puppy you really like, feel free to mention a feature you like in another distro too. feel free to list more than one feature, leaning towards your favorites. ANY puppy distro/flavor/remaster counts, active or not.

my favorite puppy features are: it was the first distro i loaded with the "toram" option, i like .pup packages (.pet packages are basically the same, they were .pups when i used puppy) and puppy is also the distro that introduced me to gdmap and isomaster.

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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jul 2016, 19:33    Post subject:  

- frugal / all in ram
- slacko and tahr (creators are cool!)
- jwm/menu
- forum
- puppies
- light and fast
- woof-ce
- open source / easy to edit things / compile with devx
- has all essential apps
-- firefox
-- leafpad
-- gnome-mplayer
-- chat
-- pup-advert blocker
-- etc.
- grub4dos / gparted / quick goodbye to winblows!
- I'm sure there's a ton of things I'm missing...
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learnhow2code

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jul 2016, 19:36    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
- frugal / all in ram
- slacko and tahr (creators are cool!)
- jwm/menu
- forum

(lol, fine) - light and fast
- woof-ce
- open source / easy to edit things
- has all essential apps
-- leafpad

(theres an ad blocker? whats it called?) -- pup-advert blocker
- grub4dos / gparted / quick goodbye to winblows!
- I'm sure there's a ton of things I'm missing...


fine examples, i quoted the ones i like too.

i would add: people are always inventing things here. or reinventing them (which is underrated imo.) thats one of the things that draws me here.

i first found puppy while looking for monkey linux, which used grub4dos or similar, and puppy was the closest thing to is still being maintained.
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Pete


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jul 2016, 19:39    Post subject:  

Uhmm, let's see:

Runs as root
Really like the sfs and pet features
Can run completely in RAM
Loads of media it can boot off
Friendly forum/users
Easy to customize
Plus the obvious ones like speed and size

Once the devx sfs is loaded, it has C, Bacon, Python plus a whole other bunch of languages one can pgm in.

it was also the first distro that i tried that I really liked and just felt comfortable with.
Started with 4.3 then moved to 5.28 now using Slacko 6.3.0 32 bit
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 04:18    Post subject:  

Frugal installs
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 04:50    Post subject:  

Frugal is the #1 feature for me also.

Install, change, tweak, add things, remove things .... until you get the system as you like, and provided you save all docs etc. outside on a separate partition/directory you can set/fix the system to be unchanging across reboots, but with the option to reboot, make changes (such as security updates) and reset/store the 'cast in stone' version again.

Knowing you're running with a system that can simply be reset back to how you liked it with a simple reboot is way better than a dynamic installation, where a single change, corruption, virus, whatever ... could have you having to start all over again from square one ... more often that never gets you back to exactly how you had it before (and often can be a very time consuming process).

Being able to boot, try things, mess the system up and just reboot to have you back to before is the #1 appeal for me. Yes you can do the same by using backups of a full install at a point when the system was 'good', but that's a much more lengthy and often overlooked approach. System how you like it, make a backup. System trashes, you have to remove that, then restore from backup ... compared to frugal - that just required a reboot.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 05:57    Post subject:  

Frugal, savefile and squashfs.

They're gonna have to pry that Precise Puppy CD from my cold, dead hands.
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learnhow2code

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 06:15    Post subject:  

rufwoof wrote:
Frugal is the #1 feature for me also.


the refracta dev asked me for a tree of /mnt/mkrefpup/newiso in refractahrpup:

Code:
/mnt/mkrefpup/newiso
├── boot.cat
├── boot.msg
├── fig31_1.0.deb
├── help2.msg
├── help.msg
├── initrd.gz
├── isolinux.bin
├── isolinux.cfg
├── live
│   ├── filesystem.squashfs
│   ├── initrd.img
│   └── vmlinuz
├── logo.16
├── puppy_tahr_6.0.5.sfs
├── README.HTM
├── vmlinuz
└── zdrv_tahr_6.0.5.sfs

1 directory, 16 files


theres got to be a way to do a frugal install of this, given the similarity in the livecd setup with this and puppy. (it is actually puppys isolinux config, with a little of refractas added in.)

the frugal installer for the puppy half should work, though it would be neat to modify it to frugal install both parts. (if the installer wouldnt do that out of the box.)
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 06:29    Post subject:  

learnhow2code wrote:
rufwoof wrote:
Frugal is the #1 feature for me also.

the refracta dev asked me for a tree of /mnt/mkrefpup/newiso in refractahrpup:
Code:
/mnt/mkrefpup/newiso
├── boot.cat
├── boot.msg
├── fig31_1.0.deb
├── help2.msg
├── help.msg
├── initrd.gz
├── isolinux.bin
├── isolinux.cfg
├── live
│   ├── filesystem.squashfs
│   ├── initrd.img
│   └── vmlinuz
├── logo.16
├── puppy_tahr_6.0.5.sfs
├── README.HTM
├── vmlinuz
└── zdrv_tahr_6.0.5.sfs

1 directory, 16 files

theres got to be a way to do a frugal install of this, given the similarity in the livecd setup with this and puppy. (it is actually puppys isolinux config, with a little of refractas added in.)

dd works too, at least once you run isohybrid on the iso file.

In this thread we've frugal installed Debian Jessie's live CD content. Fundamentally its a matter of copying the live folder over onto HDD, setup up grub4dos to point to that using the template of the one on the CD as a reference, and then setting up persistence/saves. In that Debian thread we now have choices of saves to either a partition, folder or directory. For directory that needs a change of the initrd, for partition or file you can continue to use the initrd that came with the ISO.

A sort of puppy frugal wrapper around a core system such as Debian Jessie. End up with the best of both worlds, stable and extensive set of apps and fast updates of security fixes, alongside puppy frugal type booting.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 07:37    Post subject:  

rufwoof wrote:
In this thread we've frugal installed Debian Jessie's live CD content.


nice! thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 11:06    Post subject:  

    runs in ram
    cursor_themes
    - with pcur allows great selection of cursors - can't stand those rinky-dink default cursors
    The multiplicity of boot media - cd/dvd, usb-flash, external usb HD
    single-click operations
    single-click mounting/unmounting of ISOs
    manual install of puppy from ISO to USB device
    emelfm2 (not unique to puppy; with cursor_themes, it's my first installs after initial psave)
    easy "uninstall" of pets and SFSs, although needs better space management when pets are uninstalled.
    -yeah! I know about remastering.
    pfix=ram to create copy of boot version for experiments/tests
    event manager with 0 min interval and save/nosave at shut-down for psave management
    removal of cd/dvd after boot (but why not flash also, if definitely known that there won't be saves to flash?)
    seamonkey/composer
    gParted and Testdisk (not unique to puppy)

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jul 2016, 14:09    Post subject:  

Touchscreen is an OOTB feature for several community PUPs
    Touch screen operations has an ever growing application. More of PUPs could consider the changes introduced by FATDOG, LightHouse, Just-Lighthouse, and Slacko for Touch screen operations..
This benefit is a welcome for Desktops, Laptops, Tablets of past few years.

When showing Windows/MAC Touchscreen PC owners Puppy Linux. They are miffed as they "thought" that it was exclusive to their installed OS. This surprise has made it simple for users to switch/consider switching to PUPPY, as PUPs do much of the same things they are accustomed to.

PUP Developers have been most considerate in making sure PUPs, today, are also PUPs that operate on newer hardware PC features.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jul 2016, 15:53    Post subject:  

Multisession DVD. For years, all Puppys could do this trick except for some derivatives. Barry seems to have gotten away from it, apparently preferring remastering. I prefer the multisession approach, as each saved session can be skipped if desired at boot, and is available for inspection.
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jul 2016, 17:59    Post subject:  

+1. This generational aspect of Puppy Linux has provided benefit on several occasions.

@Ted Dog was another member who not only finds favor but also extended this generational abiltiy to Frugal users. But, sadly, as much benefit as it offers to selective remove or disengage a generational setting, it has not bubble to the top for developers to include. Much benefit, but lost in lack of knowledge or understanding.

I dont know if it will survive, but, it IS ONE OF PUPPY SHINING FEATURES even though it is only relegated to DVDs.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jul 2016, 18:44    Post subject:  

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Multisession DVD. For years, all Puppys could do this trick except for some derivatives. Barry seems to have gotten away from it, apparently preferring remastering.


my attitude towards this is

1. the fan is always right about their favorite feature-- unless theyre technically wrong ("puppy can turn pi into 6.28318..." no... it can multiply pi by 2 though.) however this is one of those (usual) times when the fan is right.

2. speaking personally, i do not like to advertise features that are not time-tested and work well, but good cds are difficult to find these days, and i still havent figured out the capabilities of the average dvd.

given this, i would not be likely to promote or encourage such a feature for dvds. but the nice thing about this community is-- you can get lots of testimonials, ask questions, learn whats good from peers. at some point i may instead say "actually, this is great, its fine, everyone loves it." instead i recommend remastering (and trying the remaster out with qemu.) the good thing is, i also tell people to listen to someone that knows more about the subject.
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