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How to use dialup modem? (Solved)
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zippy12

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2016, 19:22    Post subject:  How to use dialup modem? (Solved)  

I am totally new to Linux.........I've been using Windows for many years..........I'm fascinated by PuppyLinux..........I ordered a live CD of Tarh Puppy , based on what I read about Puppy working with a dial up connection...........will it work ??
Any replies are appreciated.
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purple379

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2016, 20:26    Post subject: Use of Dial Up with Linux might be problematic
Subject description: Problem being modems, not so much linux
 

It might work right out of the box for you, with the very first attempt to dial up. The problem being, back in the day when Dial Up modems were common, many companies jumped into building Modems, with their own secret means of the Windows based software needed to work well.

Let me put that differently. Modems could be build with all the hardware inside the modem to work. We used to call them Hard modems, often referring to Serial Port Modems,. Now I have a hard modem which plugs into the USB port of my computers rather than the serial port. , but it has all the internal hardware to do what a dial up modem should do. Linux inherently having the software to interface with such modems. I think it was about forty dollars. They are often termed to be hard modems, meaning the modem does all its own work in the hardware. Hard modems always work with Linux.

Most of the modems from that generation used some part of the Windows system to do the work of the modem. These are often called soft modems. Some of those modems have software already installed in Puppy to work. Some other of those modems have software to interface with them easily available to work with Puppy. Although the software would have to be downloaded and installed. I am guessing that might be all a new comer to Linux would be willing to fool with. Altho one can use a wrapper (software), and use a soft modem with its windows driver.

The other option, would be to buy a dial up soft modem that is known to work with Linux. Or even better, a true hard modem from a sale somewhere.

Perhaps you can describe the computer you want to use Puppy on, and describe it, including the modem, and someone on the forum who is more experienced than I with dial up modems to give you some help. Might be useful to use an version of Puppy which has older modems- drivers for older hardware, although the Linux kernel might be very recent. If you think it will be useful, then post the need here. (I am guessing you are not in a situation where you can burn CD's or you would not be buying one) If anyone sends you a CD from the forum, I would think it would be free, as the only folks who are in a position to charge are some distributers, and if he still does it, Barry K himself.

I would also suggest, from my experience, look at using some extensions to the browser that block flash, and block Java Script. Flash and Java Script can be, interactively, selectively allowed. Flash pictures for advertising take a lot of time to load on dial up.

I would repeat, the problem is not Linux, it is that those who made soft modems, never intended them to be used with Linux, and often did not release the needed information to make it easy for some Linux person to create a Linux driver for that soft Modem. Also many companies used what they considered a clever name for their soft modems, which make it hard for the ordinary user to really know which modem is which. (Yeah, all the forum experts, there are ways around that, but not so easy for a new comer.)
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2016, 20:40    Post subject:  Dial up connection
Subject description: Will it work
 

Sad thank for the reply........... I hope to install it in a Dell dimension PC that is running wWin XP Pro with an Intel modem..........I bought the CD from somebody on eBay who didn't seem to be a distributor , so who knows who he is.
I'm OK with doing a little bit of work to get it working though.
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2016, 20:42    Post subject:  

That was supposed to be a smiling face.
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2016, 21:03    Post subject:  

Look at the largest chip on the modem card.

If it says Conexant on it, or has their logo -- you're screwed. You can communicate at 14.4kbps using their purposefully-hobbled free driver, or fork over $20 for the driver that actually works.

My suggestion -- recycle it, and get something older that works. RS-232 (COMport) and parallel (LPT) port modems do exist. (I had a parallel port model back in the early 90s myself. No idea who made it, it's long since been lost.)

US Robotics was amazing back in the day... don't know how they are now, though.

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2016, 22:32    Post subject: While one can install Puppy Linux on the hard drive.
Subject description: I find it works so well off the live CD, that I would not put it on the hard drive.
 

You will find it is possible to create a save file on the hard drive to keep your options and settings, which is much smaller than the entire hard drive. This is pretty neat in that one can more easily use different versions of Puppy. or Other versions of Linux on Live CD.

I feel it is obvious that starhawk has much more knowledge of dial up modems than I do. Plus I have only been on broadband for many years. I do not even have a dial up phone.

I should throw in, Linux universally works quite well on any broadband, high speed connection. Well, some Internet Service Providers can make it harder than it would seem necessary to connect to their service with names and Passwords, protocols I am not familiar with.

If your Dial Up gives you trouble, you could walk into a local computer store, which repairs computers, Not a sales mostly store (Staples being a mostly sales store - comes to mind.) Then tell the folks there you need a dial up modem that easily works with Linux. I would bet that local store has at least one Linux freak there, and they can sell you a modem to fit into your computer for very little (not too many folks need them any more) Without a doubt, if you have a few extra dollars, find a true hard modem. You might find one a church sale for a dollar. Wherever, with a true hard modem, you do not have to fool with this nonsense any more.

EDIT. If that computer still runs Windows, you might get a copy of Belarc, and run it to find the specific hardware that you have in the Dell.
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2016, 22:54    Post subject:  

I don't know squat about modems beyond what I posted and a bunch of boring dusty old historical crap that (a) nobody cares about anymore and (b) nobody needs to care about if their computer was built after roughly 1991.

I'm on a cell tower network myself... protip to you, zippy -- wherever you are, if you can get Verizon, don't. Their signal is borderline usable outside of city center, regardless of what they brag -- and they are the epitome of the stereotype of the greedy uncaring corporate black hole. I've written their CEO twice, now... the second time (and the reason why I've given up on that part of humanity) -- their defense was, "but, hey, you're paying us!". I wish that last one was a lie, but it's not...

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jul 2016, 09:44    Post subject:  

No one mentioned Wary?
Since 2009 or so, Wary has been the go-to Puppy version for dialup modem support. Wary was last updated in 2013 to version 5.5. Funny how such information seems to seep away over time.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/wary-5.5/
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jul 2016, 20:23    Post subject: Dial up connection
Subject description: I hope
 

That wary does it............now I hope my burner can do an iso CD.
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jul 2016, 20:45    Post subject:  

zippy, if I may ask, where are you in the world that you're still stuck on dialup...?
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 09:15    Post subject: My reply
Subject description: To you
 

I'm residing in the USA on planet EARTH..............Im NOT "stuck" on dial up!
I use dial up because I CHOSE TO .
Does that answer your inquiry? Surprised
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 10:49    Post subject:  

"I now have additional questions..."

Well, one, anyhow. Why the heck would anyone WANT dial-up...? It's soooo sloooow.

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 14:49    Post subject:  

zippy12,
Another puppy that supports the Intel modems is Lucid Puppy 5.2.8.7. Precise pup may handle them if their drivers get installed. If you are interested, I can probably find how to get the driver, so as to instruct you. (I developed Puppy's support for the intel536 and 537 drivers. I hope yours is a 536.)

For newer puppies, you need a USB hardware modem (as described above), which uses a driver (cdc_acm) built into the newer kernels (3.x, at least). Mine is a Rosewill RNX-56USB. I see them on ebay for $12 used and $15 used on Amazon -- no need to pay more.
Richard
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 15:45    Post subject: Much appreciated
Subject description: From you
 

Thank you for the decent reply and information...............I appreciate a mature responce. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2016, 17:04    Post subject:  

zippy, what's "immature" about asking questions?

EDIT: more to the point.

The purpose of my questions is not to irritate or otherwise haggle you -- and please do accept my humblest apologies if that's what's actually happening. I'm trying to /understand/ you. Yes, I do tend to phrase things in a somewhat casual manner -- that's part of who I am as a person -- but I assure you that I'm not trying to be immature or troll you or be otherwise bothersome to you. I just don't understand why you are saying what you're saying, and I want to figure that out.

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