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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sun 09 Sep 2018, 22:44    Post subject: Xenialpup64 CE 7.5 / 25 Nov 2017  

I installed to the hard drive of Acer laptop:

System: Host: puppypc19945 Kernel: 4.14.68 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: xenialpup64 7.5
Machine: System: Acer (portable) product: Aspire V5-571P v: V2.17 serial: NXM49AA03531512EC36600
Mobo: Acer model: Aspire V5-571P v: V2.17 serial: NBM491100831501E946600
Bios: Phoenix v: V2.17 date: 02/27/2013
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i3-3227U (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 969/1901 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.org 1.18.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
tty size: 144x27 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Card-2: Broadcom BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n driver: bcma-pci-bridge
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (0.8% used)
Weather: Conditions: 60 F (15 C) Time: September 9, 10:33 PM EDT
Info: Processes: 129 Uptime: 1:12 Memory: 250.7/5764.8MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35

Installed xfce4 + favorite applications + changed kernel.

Touchscreen works.
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep 2018, 15:02    Post subject: Xenialpup64 CE 7.5 / 25 Nov 2017  

I installed xenialpup64-7.5 to the hard drive of my Acer Revo nettop pc:

System: Host: puppypc29857 Kernel: 4.9.126 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 Distro: xenialpup64 7.5
Machine: System: Acer product: Aspire R3610 serial: PTSCX0205302001AC12700
Mobo: Acer model: FMCP7A-ION-LE serial: U020102009703
Bios: American Megatrends v: P01-A4 date: 11/03/2009
CPU: Dual core Intel Atom 330 (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 1599/1600 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA ION VGA
Display Server: X.org 1.18.4 driver: nvidia tty size: 161x26 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card-1: NVIDIA MCP79 Ethernet driver: forcedeth
Card-2: Ralink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe driver: rt2800pci
Drives: HDD Total Size: 160.0GB (9.0% used)
Weather: Conditions: 64 F (18 C) Time: September 11, 2:43 PM EDT
Info: Processes: 180 Uptime: 1:33 Memory: 259.4/1496.4MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35

Changed kernel,installed the usual applications,and installed proprietary nvidia driver.

It's connected to a 32" TV via an HDMI cable, sound also via HDMI.
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artsown

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Sep 2018, 18:21    Post subject:  

During my testing of a javascript number-cruncher program, I found that
google-chrome browser executes 12 times slower than waterfox on xenialpup64 version 7.5. On fatdog 721 Chrome is only 30% slower. The Chrome
version is 09052018 generated by fatdog which is version 69.0.3497.81

So what is it about xenial64 7.5? Something missing that I can get via
the ppm? I don't have a clue Smile Or maybe it's something about the kernel
(I use the default kernel). I haven't tried changing the kernel (yet).

Art
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Sep 2018, 22:54    Post subject:  

I loaded Xenialpup64 onto a USB thumb drive, and live booted into a new Acer Chromebook R11 (CYAN, Intel Braswell).

The boot went fine, but keyboard, touchpad, and touchscreen were non-functional.

After some searching I found these are elantech type (elan)

I did try the chromebook w/Xenialpup with a wireless mouse and the onboard florence virtual keyboard and everything I tried worked well so far.

I would really like to have this going permanently with puppy and functioning input devices.

In the mean time, I've loaded the Chromebook with GalliumOS 3.0 alpha -- built on Xubuntu, and all functions work. It is designed specifically for Chromebooks. Mine is the Intel Braswell flavor. But I'm spoiled by puppy for the last ten years -- never was happy with Ubuntu.

Just curious, since it seems to have the right drivers and modules can the kernel from from GalliumOS 3.0 be swapped into Xenialpup64, or is that just foolish wishful thinking?

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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Fri 14 Sep 2018, 23:49    Post subject:  

artsown wrote:
During my testing of a javascript number-cruncher program, I found that
google-chrome browser executes 12 times slower than waterfox on xenialpup64 version 7.5. On fatdog 721 Chrome is only 30% slower. The Chrome
version is 09052018 generated by fatdog which is version 69.0.3497.81

So what is it about xenial64 7.5? Something missing that I can get via
the ppm? I don't have a clue Smile Or maybe it's something about the kernel
(I use the default kernel). I haven't tried changing the kernel (yet).

Art


I'm running Palemoon with xenialpup64, there used to be a site to compare browsers but apparently it shut down in March of this year.
I found another site and ran the test, don't really know if the reasult is good or bad Smile but I guess you could test your Google Chrome there.

Bill
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EDIT:
I loaded the Google Chrome sfs by Mike Walsh and ran the test, it got a better score than Palemoon 28.01
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Sep 2018, 23:50    Post subject: The problem is Drivers  

Hi vtpup,

In order for a Kernel (vmlinuz) to interface with peripherals (even those built into a laptop) such as keyboards, mice, touchpad, touchscreen, sound, and graphic cards, there must be both firmware and drivers. Firmware is ubiquitous -- can be used on any system. But drivers have to be compiled against the specific kernel of the operating system. (Or, I think, nearly so: the driver compiled against, say, Kernel 4.9.107 may be satisfactory under Kernel 4.9.100 thru 110; but not Kernel 4.8.anything).

Do you know what kernel GalliumOS 3.0 alpha uses? Has anyone packaged Hugh-Kernel with that number for Puppy? Hugh-Kernels are packaged with both the Kernel (vmlinuz) and drivers (but perhaps not the driver your Chromebook needs). It is relatively easy to swap a Puppy's Kernel. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1004533#1004533. Of course, you'd do that running a functioning Puppy, then try the product --vmlinuz, zdrv.sfs together with the original initrd, and Puppy_xenialpup65.sfs-- on your Chromebook.

Beyond that, I can only advise you to plug Chromebook into this search cite, https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=015995643981050743583%3Aabvzbibgzxo&q=#gsc.tab=0 and see if anyone has run any (preferrably recent) Puppy on a Chromebook.

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artsown

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Sep 2018, 06:32    Post subject:  

@Billtoo
I'm not surprised that chrome tests well on a battery of tests designed
to simulate "real world" operation. When I use it on the internet it
seems as fast as firefox and its siblings palemoon and waterfox.

My interest here is strictly on chrome's speed in executing the js
number cruncher program I designed. I failed to mention that chrome's
speed running my js program is ok on tahrpup64 as well as fatdog 721,
That's why the extreme slowness on xenialpup64 seems to point to
some issue with xenialpup64 .... which is very puzzling. Also, chrome's
siblings like opera browser are also slow as mollases running my script
on xenialpup64.

You see, I'm testing my js program with a variety of browsers and
operating systems before I release my program. I don't feel comfortable
not knowing what's causing the extreme slowness of chrome running my
script on xenialpup64.

Edit: The plot thickens. Chrome is slow as molasses running my script on
slacko64 6.9.9.9 as well. So it's 2 against 2. Ok on fatdog and tahr, Not ok
on xenial and slacko. Again, its execution time is over 10 times larger
on the "not ok" pups (using the same test computer, of course).

Art
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Sep 2018, 22:33    Post subject: Re: The problem is Drivers  

mikeslr wrote:
Hi vtpup,

In order for a Kernel (vmlinuz) to interface with peripherals (even those built into a laptop) such as keyboards, mice, touchpad, touchscreen, sound, and graphic cards, there must be both firmware and drivers. Firmware is ubiquitous -- can be used on any system. But drivers have to be compiled against the specific kernel of the operating system. (Or, I think, nearly so: the driver compiled against, say, Kernel 4.9.107 may be satisfactory under Kernel 4.9.100 thru 110; but not Kernel 4.8.anything).

Do you know what kernel GalliumOS 3.0 alpha uses? Has anyone packaged Hugh-Kernel with that number for Puppy? Hugh-Kernels are packaged with both the Kernel (vmlinuz) and drivers (but perhaps not the driver your Chromebook needs). It is relatively easy to swap a Puppy's Kernel. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1004533#1004533. Of course, you'd do that running a functioning Puppy, then try the product --vmlinuz, zdrv.sfs together with the original initrd, and Puppy_xenialpup65.sfs-- on your Chromebook.

Beyond that, I can only advise you to plug Chromebook into this search cite, https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=015995643981050743583%3Aabvzbibgzxo&q=#gsc.tab=0 and see if anyone has run any (preferrably recent) Puppy on a Chromebook.

mikesLr


Hi mikeslr, thanks so much! That really gives me some direction to explore.

Thanks for the search reference -- I've seen most of those threads already, though one by Bigpup asks about the very same thing I'm looking for -- I think I'll contribute what I know and can find to that thread.

As far as other puppy Chromebook threads go -- they are mostly pretty old (4yrs) and apply mostly to only the Acer C720 of that period.

To answer your other questions, from what I can find the kernel used by GalliumOS 3.0 alpha for this Acer r11 Chromebook is 4.15.18-galliumos 0+dev2

I may give the kernel swapping idea a go if I can find that kernel..... or do I have it already in the 3.0 alpha ISO?

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Sep 2018, 05:30    Post subject:  

artsown wrote:

Edit: The plot thickens. Chrome is slow as molasses running my script on
slacko64 6.9.9.9 as well. So it's 2 against 2. Ok on fatdog and tahr, Not ok
on xenial and slacko. Again, its execution time is over 10 times larger
on the "not ok" pups (using the same test computer, of course).
Art


Hi Art,

I just noticed this java app at the top of the Utility menu in Slacko64, might this be of help to you?
If you weren't already aware of it that is Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Sep 2018, 05:50    Post subject:  

Billtoo, Java and javascript are not the same thing. Thanks for trying to help.

Art
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Sep 2018, 08:44    Post subject:  Thank you!  

I was forced to move to a newer pc - HP Elitebook 2570p - saying goodbye to my old Athlon 64 which has been serving me for more than 10 years running Puppy 412.
Installed Xenialpup64 CE 7.5 frugal and everything just works: mail, browser, multimedia, archiving, package manager and so on.
I am really impressed - well done and thank you!
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linuxcbon

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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct 2018, 02:53    Post subject:  

Xenialpup64 CE 7.5

In the right bottom side , there are many icons : volume, network, firewall etc.
But it's very annoying for 2 icons, when right clicking with the mouse on them, it doesn't keep their menu up :
- firewall icon
- network icon
Is it possible to change this right click behavior for both icons ?

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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct 2018, 17:07    Post subject:  

Quote:
But it's very annoying for 2 icons, when right clicking with the mouse on them, it doesn't keep their menu up :
- firewall icon
- network icon

Seems to be working for my install of Xenialpup64 7.5.
Right click on icon.
Menu pops up and stays until I select something or click the mouse button.

Do have to make sure you only do one right click.
The mouse pointer is usually over the quit in the menu.
I have accidentally clicked it.
Twitchy right finger Laughing Laughing

I do have all the updates offered in Quickpet>Xenialpup updates

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct 2018, 10:37    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Seems to be working for my install of Xenialpup64 7.5.
Right click on icon.
Menu pops up and stays until I select something or click the mouse button.

Do have to make sure you only do one right click.
The mouse pointer is usually over the quit in the menu.
I have accidentally clicked it.
Twitchy right finger Laughing Laughing

I do have all the updates offered in Quickpet>Xenialpup updates


No, when you right click those icons, the menu doesnt stay up.
You need to keep the mouse right button pressed to keep the menu.
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct 2018, 12:40    Post subject:  

Quote:
No, when you right click those icons, the menu doesnt stay up.
You need to keep the mouse right button pressed to keep the menu.


On my setup, right clicking icon results in pop up menu which does stay up until something is selected.
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