Xenialpup64 CE 7.5 / 25 Nov 2017

[LateAdopter]

Hello 666philb

There's a problem with USB storage on my Braswell N3150 system. My USB stick and an SD Card via a USB adapter work, but there is about 7 seconds delay after clicking the icon and the mounted icon and Rox filer window opening. With my 1TB SATA disk via a SATA to USB bridge it is hit and miss whether it works at all. Sometimes it gets stuck before the icon appears.

Luckily they all work properly with the 4.6.3 kernel that I built on Saturday decended from the fatdog 3.18.7 DOTconfig. So I have attached the DOTconfig. I don't claim to understand most of what is in a DOTconfig, but maybe the following extracts from messages will give some clues.
For the following bits from messages, I plugged and removed the stick then the SD card and then the SATA disk.

What works properly:

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Jul  5 16:22:51 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: new high-speed USB device number 6 using xhci_hcd
Jul  5 16:22:51 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: New USB device found, idVendor=0951, idProduct=1646
Jul  5 16:22:51 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
Jul  5 16:22:51 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: Product: DataTraveler 160
Jul  5 16:22:51 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: Manufacturer: Kingston
Jul  5 16:22:51 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: SerialNumber: 001CC07CEBE1BB40C16D0085
Jul  5 16:22:51 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb-storage 1-4:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
Jul  5 16:22:51 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: scsi host2: usb-storage 1-4:1.0
Jul  5 16:22:51 puppypc26699 daemon.err kernel: udevd[7317]: failed to execute '/etc/udev/mtp-probe' '/etc/udev/mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4 1 6': No such file or directory
Jul  5 16:22:53 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Kingston DataTraveler 160 PMAP PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
Jul  5 16:22:53 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 15495168 512-byte logical blocks: (7.93 GB/7.39 GiB)
Jul  5 16:22:53 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
Jul  5 16:22:53 puppypc26699 user.debug kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 41 00 00
Jul  5 16:22:53 puppypc26699 user.err kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
Jul  5 16:22:53 puppypc26699 user.err kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
Jul  5 16:22:53 puppypc26699 user.info kernel:  sdb: sdb1
Jul  5 16:22:53 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
Jul  5 16:23:00 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 6
Jul  5 16:23:08 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: new high-speed USB device number 7 using xhci_hcd
Jul  5 16:23:08 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: New USB device found, idVendor=8564, idProduct=4000
Jul  5 16:23:08 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=4, SerialNumber=5
Jul  5 16:23:08 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: Product: Transcend
Jul  5 16:23:08 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: Manufacturer: TS-RDF5 
Jul  5 16:23:08 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: SerialNumber: 000000000039
Jul  5 16:23:08 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb-storage 1-4:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
Jul  5 16:23:08 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: scsi host2: usb-storage 1-4:1.0
Jul  5 16:23:08 puppypc26699 daemon.err kernel: udevd[8060]: failed to execute '/etc/udev/mtp-probe' '/etc/udev/mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4 1 7': No such file or directory
Jul  5 16:23:09 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access     TS-RDF5  SD  Transcend    TS37 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
Jul  5 16:23:10 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 61863936 512-byte logical blocks: (31.7 GB/29.5 GiB)
Jul  5 16:23:10 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
Jul  5 16:23:10 puppypc26699 user.debug kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00
Jul  5 16:23:10 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
Jul  5 16:23:10 puppypc26699 user.info kernel:  sdb: sdb1
Jul  5 16:23:10 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
Jul  5 16:23:19 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 7
Jul  5 16:23:29 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: new high-speed USB device number 8 using xhci_hcd
Jul  5 16:23:29 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: New USB device found, idVendor=14cd, idProduct=6116
Jul  5 16:23:29 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=3, SerialNumber=2
Jul  5 16:23:29 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: Product: USB 2.0  SATA BRIDGE   
Jul  5 16:23:29 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: Manufacturer: Super Top   
Jul  5 16:23:29 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: SerialNumber: M6116018VE15
Jul  5 16:23:29 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb-storage 1-4:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
Jul  5 16:23:29 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: scsi host2: usb-storage 1-4:1.0
Jul  5 16:23:30 puppypc26699 daemon.err kernel: udevd[8951]: failed to execute '/etc/udev/mtp-probe' '/etc/udev/mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4 1 8': No such file or directory
Jul  5 16:23:31 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access     HGST HTS 541010A9E680          PQ: 0 ANSI: 0
Jul  5 16:23:31 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 1953525168 512-byte logical blocks: (1.00 TB/932 GiB)
Jul  5 16:23:31 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
Jul  5 16:23:31 puppypc26699 user.debug kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
Jul  5 16:23:31 puppypc26699 user.err kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
Jul  5 16:23:31 puppypc26699 user.err kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
Jul  5 16:23:31 puppypc26699 user.info kernel:  sdb: sdb1
Jul  5 16:23:31 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
Jul  5 16:23:38 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 8

What doesn't work properly. NOTE the USB device information is missing.

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Jul  5 16:30:40 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: new high-speed USB device number 6 using xhci_hcd
Jul  5 16:30:40 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb-storage 1-4:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
Jul  5 16:30:40 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: scsi host2: usb-storage 1-4:1.0
Jul  5 16:30:40 puppypc26699 daemon.err kernel: udevd[9234]: failed to execute '/etc/udev/mtp-probe' '/etc/udev/mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4 1 6': No such file or directory
Jul  5 16:30:41 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Kingston DataTraveler 160 PMAP PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
Jul  5 16:30:42 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 15495168 512-byte logical blocks: (7.93 GB/7.39 GiB)
Jul  5 16:30:42 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
Jul  5 16:30:42 puppypc26699 user.debug kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 41 00 00
Jul  5 16:30:42 puppypc26699 user.err kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
Jul  5 16:30:42 puppypc26699 user.err kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
Jul  5 16:30:42 puppypc26699 user.info kernel:  sdb: sdb1
Jul  5 16:30:42 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
Jul  5 16:30:51 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 6
Jul  5 16:30:58 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: new high-speed USB device number 7 using xhci_hcd
Jul  5 16:30:59 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb-storage 1-4:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
Jul  5 16:30:59 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: scsi host2: usb-storage 1-4:1.0
Jul  5 16:30:59 puppypc26699 daemon.err kernel: udevd[10036]: failed to execute '/etc/udev/mtp-probe' '/etc/udev/mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4 1 7': No such file or directory
Jul  5 16:31:00 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access     TS-RDF5  SD  Transcend    TS37 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
Jul  5 16:31:00 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 61863936 512-byte logical blocks: (31.7 GB/29.5 GiB)
Jul  5 16:31:00 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
Jul  5 16:31:00 puppypc26699 user.debug kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00
Jul  5 16:31:00 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
Jul  5 16:31:00 puppypc26699 user.info kernel:  sdb: sdb1
Jul  5 16:31:00 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
Jul  5 16:31:08 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 7
Jul  5 16:31:22 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: new high-speed USB device number 8 using xhci_hcd
Jul  5 16:31:22 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb-storage 1-4:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
Jul  5 16:31:22 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: scsi host2: usb-storage 1-4:1.0
Jul  5 16:31:22 puppypc26699 daemon.err kernel: udevd[10988]: failed to execute '/etc/udev/mtp-probe' '/etc/udev/mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4 1 8': No such file or directory
Jul  5 16:31:23 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access     HGST HTS 541010A9E680          PQ: 0 ANSI: 0
Jul  5 16:31:23 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 1953525168 512-byte logical blocks: (1.00 TB/932 GiB)
Jul  5 16:31:23 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
Jul  5 16:31:23 puppypc26699 user.debug kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
Jul  5 16:31:23 puppypc26699 user.err kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
Jul  5 16:31:23 puppypc26699 user.err kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
Jul  5 16:31:23 puppypc26699 user.info kernel:  sdb: sdb1
Jul  5 16:31:23 puppypc26699 user.notice kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
Jul  5 16:31:35 puppypc26699 user.info kernel: usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 8

[sszindian]

Xenialpup64=7.0.7

This occurs before and even after creating a savefolder (tried both ways)

Tried to install the hplip files for my HP printer from PPM. (One of the first tests I make)

About a third of files download then the PPM 'HANGS' Only way to logoff the program is a dead cold shutdown.

A reboot using puppy pfix=fsck results in a bunch checks/dumps then a kernel panic.

>>>---Indian------>

[Pelo]

i shall come back when Xenialpup 64 ready for use, I keep 32 bits version, which has bugs too, frozen screen. If no answer, i will stop tests too.

[James C]

Xenialpup64=7.0.7

This occurs before and even after creating a savefolder (tried both ways)

Tried to install the hplip files for my HP printer from PPM. (One of the first tests I make)

About a third of files download then the PPM 'HANGS' Only way to logoff the program is a dead cold shutdown.

A reboot using puppy pfix=fsck results in a bunch checks/dumps then a kernel panic.

>>>---Indian------>

Have you installed the ppm bugfix before trying to install packages?

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 110#910110

I had the same problem with the ppm but the bugfix took care of it before I could report it.

[watchdog]

Tried to install the hplip files for my HP printer from PPM. (One of the first tests I make)
>>>---Indian------>

I have installed hplip_print_scan_64bit-3.15.9.pet by rcrsn51. I am not able to find where I downloaded it. Send PM to rcrsn51.

EDIT: I can now find:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/0sdxt ... 3.15.9.pet

by rcrsn51. Try it.

[666philb]

i shall come back when Xenialpup 64 ready for use, I keep 32 bits version, which has bugs too, frozen screen. If no answer, i will stop tests too.

maybe try an older kernel http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/di ... 64.tar.bz2 unzip and type change_kernels into a terminal

[666philb]

Xenialpup64=7.0.7

This occurs before and even after creating a savefolder (tried both ways)

Tried to install the hplip files for my HP printer from PPM. (One of the first tests I make)

About a third of files download then the PPM 'HANGS' Only way to logoff the program is a dead cold shutdown.

A reboot using puppy pfix=fsck results in a bunch checks/dumps then a kernel panic.

>>>---Indian------>

xenialpup64 is having the same problem as the early tahrpup64 builds... the symlink /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu gets overwritten with an actual folder.

yet the same symlink in /usr/lib is being respected and is working normally.

you can see this happen... click on your save folder/file and navigate to /lib and then install libdns-export from the ppm. ... everything will break.

deleting the resulting /lib/x86_64-linux folder from the save will fix the install.

[sszindian]

@James C
Thanks for the tip!

@watchdog
That hplip_print_scan_tahr64-3.15.9.pet works great and is loads smaller than the PPM 3-16 one...

@666philb
Your suggestion worked but I also used James C tip just to be sure...

Overall font size in Xenial headings/etc., IMHO are way to small, should be at least where Tahr fonts are for a more enjoyable experience with Xenial,

>>>---Indian------>

[live]

xenialpup64-7.0.7.iso

Lots of performance issues on Intel Core 5, apps freeze etc.

Attached a screen shot at boot, one sees that a lot of labels 'names are not displayed (or loaded?)

Maybe wait for Xenial 16.04.1 release?
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule

[sszindian]

Xenialpup64-7.0.7

Looking pretty good in most tests... fast little bugger!

Wondering if there's any chance of getting a .pet of the 32-bit libs somewhere down the road for like Google Earth and such to run in it?

Thanks
>>>---Indian------>

[Pelo]

Change kernel : unzip and type change_kernels into a terminal
666philb : easy, even for me.
64 bits however is much more trouble than 32 bits. 64 bits distros all alway searching how to run 32 bits apps.. Isn'it idiot, a little bit

[charlie6]

Hi 666philb,

again thanks for this xenialpup !

Just got a try running on livecd;
The music score Musescore segfault at startup:

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root# musescore 
initScoreFonts 0x2ea2290
Segmentation fault
root#

It has been installed using PPM: no missing dependency.

Did not found any fix browsing the net...excepted that these application may segfault...
https://musescore.org/en/node/116241

Best regards, Charlie

[gyro]

xenialpup64-7.0.7.iso

Lots of performance issues on Intel Core 5, apps freeze etc.

Attached a screen shot at boot, one sees that a lot of labels 'names are not displayed (or loaded?)

This might be the same problem I had with xenialpup, see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... &start=186

Edit: Just tested in xenialpup64. I had display problems similar to xenialpup.
I added the "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf" file, and problem gone.

gyro

[mikeslr]

Hi 666philb & All,

Looking forward to working with Xenialpup64. But currently have run into a stumbling block.

I am unable to connect to my router via wifi adapter using any of the following: simple network setup, frisbee and Network Wizard. All recognize my firmware/driver, find my network and offer to connect. Then all fail reporting a dhcp problem.

No such problem with Xenialpup (32-bit), or Tahrpup 32-bit or 64-bit. Don't think it matters, but Network controller is [0280]: Ralink corp. RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI [1814:0301].

Any ideas?

mikesLr

[sszindian]

It appears Xenial64-7.0.7 likes 'RAM'

Conky displays 600 to 650 ram being used.
Cleared browser cache, only dropped to 618 ram from 650.

In Tahr64-6.0,3 for the same amount of activity we remain at about 200 ram being used.

I have 4GB ram so no problem but what's using all that extra ram?

I remember years back this same thing happened on an earlier build of puppy (can't remember which one) it was running around 280 ram when normal on other pups of the same era ran between 80 to 125.

>>>---Indian------>

[Sailor Enceladus]

@sszindian: Something to consider. Newer versions of htop show higher memory usage. Here's a screenshot showing:

- htop 1.0.3 on the top (shows 101MB used)
- htop 2.0.2 in the middle (shows 250MB used)
- busybox 1.23.1 top on the bottom (shows 635MB used)

All running at the same time.

[LateAdopter]

It looks like it's a kernel 4.6 regression. I just built 4.6.3 using the same DOTconfig as for 4.4.4 and it performs the same as your 4.6.3. So maybe MSR doesn't matter after all.

Hello 666philb
Xenialpup64 is working very well and I have installed tvheadend, mpv, gnome-mpv, Kodi17 alpha2. No problems from Xenialpup64..

I have investigated the media player performance problem with the 4.6.3 kernel. It looks as though the Intel p-state governor is more broken than usual, at least with Braswell. It does not clock up to maximum turbo before the media player starts noticeable skipping. I have tested kernel 4.7.0 and that has the same problem, but 4.4.4 works properly.

My workaround is to disable pstate and use cpufreq ondemand. However, with its default settings, ondemand is worse than pstate, but they are adjustable. Increasing sampling_down_factor to 80 makes it work properly.

So I have
intel_pstate=disable as a kernel boot parameter, and
echo 80 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/ondemand/sampling_down_factor in /etc/rc.d/rc.local

Note: Modern Intel processors with hardware power management (Sandy Bridge onwards) make up their own mind about core clock frequencies. The numbers reported by cpufreq are quite different from those reported by turbostat which reads back from the CPU.

Thanks for Xenialpup64

[live]

@sszindian
All 3 shows:
* different RAM usage
* different CPU usage
* different nb of processes

Have you tried to monitor which each of them separetly, as maybe they are accessing the same data at the same time and this could lead to wrong measurements.

[sszindian]

@live

Those graphics are from Sailor Enceladus, not me. I don't know what configuration he used or what all was running at the same time?

At any rate, doing some research, Distrowatch has a recent article about this subject and it's their belief that having as much in ram as possible is 'better' contrary to what I believed over the years. Makes one wonder?

Sure is a fast/responsive program and operates without major issues so far.

>>>---Indian------>

[rufwoof]

@sszindian: Something to consider. Newer versions of htop show higher memory usage. Here's a screenshot showing:

- htop 1.0.3 on the top (shows 101MB used)
- htop 2.0.2 in the middle (shows 250MB used)
- busybox 1.23.1 top on the bottom (shows 635MB used)

All running at the same time.

Reporting memory utilisation is subjective. Looks like the different versions/apps chose to report in different ways. htop I believe counts cached and buffers as being 'free' i.e. they can be dumped at any time by the system to make space for other things (being used, but free to be used elsewhere).

Debian Jessie KDE 64 Frugal, running kinfocenter alongside htop (see attached).

htop mem coloured bars correspond to used, buffers, cache in different bar colours. Which in my case seems to conflict with what kinfocenter is suggesting

# free
provides other source of information.

Its all a relative type thing. If application data is near filling up memory and there's little free/cache/buffer allocations, then its at a stage where swap is being needed and the system isn't running efficiently. i.e. in htop that would be if the mem green bars were running right across and the numeric figure was low.