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DEVUAN Jessie Puppy?
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PostPosted: Sun 08 May 2016, 23:00    Post subject:  DEVUAN Jessie Puppy?  

With the long-delayed release of DEVUAN (the Debian alternative) Beta 1.0 named Jessie https://devuan.org/ is there a Puppy in-the-works built upon it?

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PostPosted: Mon 09 May 2016, 03:35    Post subject: Re: DEVUAN Jessie Puppy?  

edoc wrote:
With the long-delayed release of DEVUAN (the Debian alternative) Beta 1.0 named Jessie https://devuan.org/ is there a Puppy in-the-works built upon it?

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It is supported in woof-CE thanks to Iguleder .. so maybe.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 May 2016, 18:37    Post subject:  

DebianDog Jessie http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=771571#771571 (puppy like) is way way beyond beta.

Personally I found that after switching over from DD Jessie initd to systemd boot I've felt no need to switch back. That said I don't understand the differences, just a end-user who likes the stability and ease of updating, alongside Puppy frugal like boots with optional persistence (choose whether to save or not at shutdown (mostly I don't as I like booting the exact same 'pristine' system each and every time)). The only time I do save is after a clean boot and update check where updates were made (updated pristine). Store data/docs outside (separate partition that I independently back up).
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PostPosted: Mon 09 May 2016, 22:11    Post subject:  

DebianDog Jessie is not the same thiing as
DEVUAN Jessie

DEVUAN is an systemd-free alternative or fork of Debian.

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PostPosted: Wed 11 May 2016, 14:40    Post subject:  

edoc wrote:
DebianDog Jessie is not the same thiing as
DEVUAN Jessie

DEVUAN is an systemd-free alternative or fork of Debian.


Hi, edoc!!!

I too, am a fan of anti-systemd alternative Devuan. And since I also love Puppy,..I would also love a Puppy-Devuan. However,....I am (whilst waiting), going with non-systemd MX-15 (and adding on fluxbox). But still waiting. (I also am using other Puppies, though.)
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PostPosted: Thu 12 May 2016, 04:25    Post subject:  

Edoc, I think you're making wrong assumptions. First, forking Debian would be like attempting to fork algebra - an impossible task. Debian is too big to fork. Devuan is an exercise in futility, a little "dead on arrival" project. Secondly, Puppy does not use systemd. By default, its init system is busybox. So, a Puppy built from Debian, Ubuntu or Devuan repos will be the same *systemd free* beast.
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PostPosted: Thu 12 May 2016, 08:11    Post subject:  

Scrolling 1/3 down the page here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=902434

It seems I'm not the only one pursuing this as real.

I didn't think the systemd thread would still be alive so I hadn't checked it for info.

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PostPosted: Thu 12 May 2016, 14:30    Post subject:  

I too would like a devuan puppy

Don't like systemd, Can just as well go back to windows.
In five years the lock in will be equal as in win.

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2016, 00:15    Post subject:  

to anyone interested in a devuan dog:

edoc wrote:
DebianDog Jessie is not the same thiing as
DEVUAN Jessie

DEVUAN is an systemd-free alternative or fork of Debian.


if you are looking for a devuan puppy, i will tell you the closest thing i know: refracta.

i used puppy on a regular basis years ago, and i thought it was remarkable how easy it was to customize, build packages, remix, things like that.

refracta is the only distro that reminds me of puppy this way (although it lacks a lot of puppy features like support for puppy packages and multisession persisting. it should remix very easily.)

it was dimkr that reminded me of puppy and i tried his puplet some time in the past year.

i would suggest to him that if he is looking for an easy way to turn devuan into puppy, perhaps some installation scripts (to load puppy-like software and remove heavier debian things, before doing a snapshot) on refracta is the easiest way to maintain a devuan puplet.

i wouldnt personally be interested in building such a thing, but if he (or someone) were interested enough, i could try to help them get started. perhaps help until a demo is ready.

im very lazy, so i would be quick to find the "simplest" way to do this without using a lot of high-end science (or even perl scripts. small amounts of python, perhaps.)

im more into refracta than puppy, but this place has always collected and implemented large numbers of novel ideas, with minimal labor (compared to other distros.) you guys build simple tools and simple solutions, and you use them to do really cool stuff.

at one point i thought puppy was getting too sloppy, but if that had continued from the day i left it behind, puppy would be a complete mess now. instead, you guys have held it together for a decade, and you still innovate. the fact that you even made a debian puplet is pretty amazing, imo.

currently my favorite puppy is tahr, because it works for me(tm) and it has python out of the box. i bet debian dog does too, but tahr is only 205m. can that be right? wow, guys. 205m and has everything i need to run my educational platform- from x to python.

where can i find a fairly up-to-date poll on the most popular versions of puppy, including tahr and others? or instead: a list of packages included in debiandog?
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