How to run Puppy from Windows NTFS partition

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#16 Post by tempestuous »

Thanks drj,
I had previously tried Grub4DOS/Grub4NTLDR unsuccessfully, but now I have it working with your menu.lst settings.

With one computer I have with a single NTFS partition, this works perfectly. Puppy accesses the pupfile and usr_cram.fs on the NTFS partition without a problem.

But as thoughtjourney mentioned, if your hard drive has any OTHER filesystem on separate partitions, Puppy will "insist" on looking for the pupfile and usr_cram.fs here, apparently ignoring the Grub specification for the location of the pupfile on the NTFS partition.
I think Puppy's rc.sysinit file needs refinement in this regard.

And I have just tried Grub4NTLDR to boot to USB flash drive. I will make a separate post for this.

choco

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#17 Post by choco »

I followed all the instructions from http://ph-islands.net/pupinstall/winxp.php but puppy can't find the usr_cram.fs file :oops: !! What to do?

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#18 Post by MU »

Puppy sometimes gets confused, if you have more than one Windows-Partition.
I altered image.gz to force Puppy to use C:


Try this:

http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/viewtopic.php?t=1834

Unfortunately the Article I refer to is lost for some days, as the corresponding Forum was cracked and destroyed. Restoring the backup will take some days.

It just will work on Drive C: , and with Windows XP (C: must be a NTFS -drive)

Short instruction:

Download this file and extract to C:\
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/povf ... r?download

then follow this readme.txt:


There are 3 ways to run this version of Puppy-Linux.

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_puppy_qemu_windows98.bat
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This will run the unaccellerated version of Qemu with Puppy.

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_puppy_qemu_windowsNt.bat
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This will run the accellerated version of Qemu with Puppy.
Before that:
copy
kqemu\kqemu.sys
to
c:\winnt\system32\drivers
or
c:\windows\system32\drivers

Then click on kqemu.reg to register it.
Run _puppy_qemu_windowsNt.bat to start puppylinux in accellerated quemu.

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puppyboot\install.bat (Windows NT/XP only)
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This will an entry to your c:\boot ini
It also will "setup" automatically the included bootmanager grub.
This is a file-based version, so your bootsector will NOT be touched!

Like this you can use it in addition to other bootmanagers like Linux-grub or lilo.

If you run "DEFRAG" on your c:\ -Drive, you might have to run "install.bat" again.

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Problems / tips
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You will find more configurable versions of puppy at http://www.goosee.com/puppy/

In Qemu, Puppy asks for a mouse. You MUST use PS/2, even if you have an USB-Mouse!

If you run Puppy with grub, it will not ask for a mouse.
If the mouse does not work, hit "CTRL-ALT-DEL" to exit the Desktop.

Then type:
rm /etc/mousedevice
xwin icewm

Then you will be asked from new what mouse you have.

The resolution is set to 800*600 for running Qemu in a window.
You can change this with the "Xvesa-Wizard" in the Puppy-Startmenue.

The network is set to DHCP to be able to use Ftp in Quemu to share files with windows.
When you use grub, the DHCP-detection fails, and you have to wait a minute.
Simply hit "CTRL-C" to interrupt the detection then.

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Confused as to Partition

#19 Post by raffy »

Ah, choco, an example of your problem is a Compaq installation of WinXP, that has a FAT for the first partition and NTFS for the WinXP partition. I still have to check the forum for this type of problem. Should you still have problems after Mark's (Mu's) advice, please feel free to post in the top section of the forum (Beginners or Regulars).

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#20 Post by MU »

I wrote an installer for XP, that includes this patch for Puppy 1.0.5:

http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/viewtopic.php?t=2525

So you don't need the older RAR-archive.

Mark

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#21 Post by Guest »

I have a problem... I kinda installed Puppy the normal way with the CD, but before I made all the fixes in Windows neccessary, and now it won't even boot. It says the hal.dll file is missing, and if i hit a key, itll reboot then either show that again, or go to the little screen where the XP logo is showing and the bar's moving. It'll get past that, then restart again. I'm using Windows XP SP1 professional, if that helps. I really need some help here, I have alot of information on my computer.

Thanks

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No worry

#22 Post by raffy »

Don't worry, you will not lose data.

There is a manual install for WinXP in the link below, which can help you troubleshoot your way past this problem:

http://www.ph-islands.net/pupinstall/winxp.php

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#23 Post by GuestToo »

i have the hal.dll missing message, and XP won't boot, but in my case hal.dll is actually missing ... i accidently deleted about a gig of files from my hda5 partition

a virus can cause the same message

a problem with boot.ini will also cause the same error message

is the hal.dll file actually missing? you can search for the file using Puppy ... it should be somewhere in the windows folder

it's possible there's something wrong with your boot.ini file (a text file on your C drive) ... mine looks something like this:

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[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="          Windows XP" /fastdetect /SOS
C:\="          Windows ME"

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#24 Post by Cerberus »

um, where do i get pup001?

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#26 Post by Guest »

no... you guys dont understand, i cant get into windows at all

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Right

#27 Post by raffy »

Yes, right, i realized that situation of yours after i made the post above :oops:

Maybe you have the Windows rescue CD and use it to do repairs for boot-time processes (There is a menu, but am not thoroughly familiar with it). The usual routine i know is "fixMBR", a harmless procedure for undoing the MBR changes done by Linux, although perhaps this does not apply in your case.

Kindly tell us what install procedure you followed so more specific help can come...

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#28 Post by Guest »

I an using a HP Laptop with windows xp Sp2 installed. tried to use liveCd, everything was working fine but hung at the point I was supposed to select the Keyboard Layout. Nothing was responding at all.
I followed the instruction on installlation to hard disk using GRUB and it stopped at the same place. Can some one please help me this is my first time with Linux.
I would however like you to know that I installed it with Qemu emulation.
I am using Puppy 1.0.5

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#29 Post by MU »

In qemu, puppy needs a patched image.gz, as qemu just emulates a ps/2-keyboard.

There is a complete version of Puppy 1.0.5 available:
http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/qemupuppy/index.html

However, for a harddisk-installation you should boot from the puppy-CD without qemu.


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Hangs at point of selecting keyboard map

#30 Post by kelewax »

May be I did not explain myself well. What I mean is that the first time I tried using it I used it emulated in Qemu and it worked fine infact it still works. then I tried live cd and Hard disk installation as described in this forum on my NTFS hard disk and it keeps on hanging at the point I am supposed to choose the Keyboard map.

Thanks but I still need your help
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#31 Post by MU »

What for a keyboard?

Wireless? USB?

The more information you give, the easier it will be to answer.
Btw. I don't answer questions for the Forum as pm.

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#32 Post by kelewax »

MU wrote:What for a keyboard?

Wireless? USB?

The more information you give, the easier it will be to answer.
Btw. I don't answer questions for the Forum as pm.

Mark
I sure would like to give you all the information you need to help me
this is a screen shot of where the booting process stops when I am booting from the CD or from Harddisk.





After this appears on the screen I am not able to do anything again as the system does not respond to my inputs.

I am not using a usb keyboard it is a Laptop and so I am using the inbuilt keyboard.
I followed all the instructions from http://ph-islands.net/pupinstall/winxp.php in installing puppy to my NTFS harddisk
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#33 Post by kelewax »

Well somehow after experementing I was able to solve my problems. This happened a few weeks ago, but I thought it would be good to report how I did it, perhaps it will help a novice like me.

I added
PSLEEP=25 PKEYS=us
to menu.lst file

so that the whole file was like this
default 0
timeout 0
title Puppy Linux1.0.5
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
kernel (hd0,1)/puppylinux1.0.5/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PSLEEP=25 PFILE=pup001-none PKEYS=us
initrd (hd0,1)/puppylinux1.0.5/image.gz

boot

Thanks
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#34 Post by laserbeak »

what would i have to do to make this work with puppy-215CE-Final.iso?

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#35 Post by pupshock »

Advice here worked for me (WXP-SP2, Puppy2.15, NTFS):
http://www.icpug.org.uk/national/linnwin/contents.htm

backup your stuff first

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