New page for puppylinux.com

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L18L · #46 Post by **L18L** » Wed 02 Mar 2016, 13:23

bark_bark_bark wrote:The site is completely broken with JS disabled.

I would not say Completely broken.
Just without style.

Solution is to add:

<body>
<noscript>
	<p style="font-weight:bolder;color:red;background:yellow;">For nice pictures and another style you might enable javascript for this site.</p></noscript>	
<textarea theme="cerulean" readonly="readonly" style="width:100%;" rows="40" cols="100">## Puppy

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EDIT
Oh yes, navigation is totally absent.

mavrothal · #47 Post by **mavrothal** » Wed 02 Mar 2016, 15:24

Without javascript is currently pretty useless but look (in your picture) how clean and readable the source code is and how easy would be for everyone willing to contribute, to do so.
As a comparison look at the source code of this forum page below and tell me which one would you rather try to edit.

mavrothal · #48 Post by **mavrothal** » Thu 03 Mar 2016, 09:08

Might be hope after all.

Looks like we already have a contributor in the new puppylinux.com site!
And is a newcomer too.
If we could only get the old dogs barking up to the new tree too...

L18L · #49 Post by **L18L** » Thu 03 Mar 2016, 13:27

Without Subject description as mavrovthal proudly never reads them.

Do you really expect any input from me?

In addition to my demonstration of using html tag noscript
I've been trying to put it into your github, see:
https://github.com/L18L/puppylinux-woof ... ac0e8e6bb8

I better waste my time anywhere else

http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_noscript.asp

mavrothal · #50 Post by **mavrothal** » Thu 03 Mar 2016, 16:42

L18L wrote:Do you really expect any input from me?

I would expect some input from anyone willing to contribute rather than judge and certainly you qualify

Regarding noscript as you know by now we are working on it for some time now trying to get the optimal solution.

bark_bark_bark · #51 Post by **bark_bark_bark** » Thu 03 Mar 2016, 17:31

I must say it is distasteful that websites are outsourcing the job of html/css to javascript.

greengeek · #52 Post by **greengeek** » Thu 03 Mar 2016, 18:36

I like the way the page looks. Very fresh:

ariel · #53 Post by **ariel** » Thu 03 Mar 2016, 19:21

I like the new look of the page. Thanks guys for the good work

I think the problem of javascript should be solved, though. I like websites that are user friendly with all kind of browsers, even text browsers

Is this possible?

dogle · #54 Post by **dogle** » Thu 03 Mar 2016, 21:25

I am truly sorry to criticise others' efforts when I myself can do so little to help, but this is terrible. Vandalism would not be too strong a word, IMHO.

Last night I went straight to the new site on seeing Barry's announcement, running Puppy 4.3.1 (still my all-time favourite) and was astonished to see just text .... when I enabled JavaScript, I couldn't even SEE the page (just a momentary flash of rendering, then complete blank).

01micko said at the outset, very rightly, something like "we don't need any fancy JavaScript and stuff" (but has that remark been edited out today??). Whatever, never was a truer message uttered!

Mavrothal, sorry, but I just can't buy the argument about needing something

"looking good (or just ok) from a phone"

when as yet a viable 'phone-loadable Puppy is not even on the radar (or even close to being, despite the brave efforts of one or two investigating piggybacking). Puppy, right now, remains a PC distro for the foreseeable.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" - well, it sure has been broken now by this 'fixing', to the point that I can no longer use it with my older Pups (and I do still need to, right now).

For pity's sake, forget about blingifying the site (there is simply just no point), can this new abomination, and please, please restore the original site format which was just fine - and worked!

gcmartin · #55 Post by **gcmartin** » Thu 03 Mar 2016, 22:29

Web page designers understand the benefits of using ALL tools necessary to achieve WEB objectives. Some web developers use HTML (various ways), C, C#, Javascript, JAVA, PHP, and on and on and ...

There is NO absolute way to Web designs any more than there is an "absolute" approach to operating systems or applications or art or ....

Comments, IMHO, should be directed to indicate methods of resolution or to indicate areas of web rendering which is not occurring properly on the device(s) you use with the browsers that your devices provide you. Sometimes, examples seen on other sites can be brought to the attention as it can suggest a method of delivery which can be useful.

When reporting problems, if would be a good thing to report the "DEVICE" you are using along with the Browser and its release level on the OS that you run. Listed again in problems reported;

device
OS
browser
release level(s)

I believe this will help the site, its users, and its developers to present the quality of information useful for the community.

There are a few web developers with skills that can be helpful. Some of them are capable of "snaking" the website, and coding to present a good/better/best experience for server-site presentation to viewers.

Looking forward to continued efforts to improve community use of the resources we receive in this community.

Thanks to all thus far.

rob2306 · #56 Post by **rob2306** » Fri 04 Mar 2016, 05:14

Hi Guys, First used Puppy in 2006 & while I currently use Linux Mint, I still keep an eye on Puppy & have it on a flash drive for emergencies. Just wanted to provide feedback - I think the new site is great. Congratulations to all involved - a job well done! Regards, Rob.

buti · #57 Post by **buti** » Fri 04 Mar 2016, 10:33

As far as screen size Barry used this simple trick with fixed width tables

http://barryk.org/news/?viewDetailed=00305

so all the main page could be a long fixed width table. But I suspect that there is more than that for the inclusion of JS.

L18L · #58 Post by **L18L** » Fri 04 Mar 2016, 13:34

solo · #59 Post by **solo** » Fri 04 Mar 2016, 20:00

Website looks great people!

Good work!

Terry H · #60 Post by **Terry H** » Fri 04 Mar 2016, 20:40

Congratulations to all contributors for the new design. It has a very nice, fresh look. Well done.

01micko · #61 Post by **01micko** » Sat 05 Mar 2016, 00:20

We have had a bit of criticsm (vandalism? Really?

) for using javascript.

Well, most of you will be happy to know that we are still using javascript - server side.

If you are a potential contributor then nothing changes. See the first post.

Q. Why is it important that we support small screens?

A. Because small screens are the here now and it is irrelevant that no puppy is actually running on a phone / tablet (which isn't entirely true anyway).

Ask yourself this: Who is the target audience for puppylinux.com?

If you answered "puppy users" you'd be wrong. Barry's old page is still alive so if you are a puppy user and yearn for the "good old days" then visit barryk.org and follow the links.

If not, grab your phone and go to go to puppylinux.com and learn yourself how to revive your computer! ***

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*** A phone is not necessary; also works (generally) in seamonkey-1.1.15, Netsurf-3.3 and IE6.

01micko · #62 Post by **01micko** » Sat 05 Mar 2016, 01:35

Works well in XP / IE6 believe it or not. Our target audience?

Only problem is the nav bar but IE6 is notorious for its crap CSS support, plus it doesn't support svg.

greengeek · #63 Post by **greengeek** » Sat 05 Mar 2016, 06:34

dogle wrote:For pity's sake, forget about blingifying the site (there is simply just no point), can this new abomination, and please, please restore the original site format which was just fine - and worked!

Can you post a screenshot of what you see please? cheers

dancytron · #64 Post by **dancytron** » Sat 05 Mar 2016, 07:56

Content is just excellent. Much better than I expected. Great job.

In Firefox on Windows XP, everything works fine. Seems to work okay with javascript turned off too. Not sure what the problem is there.

On the Puppy Team page, second paragraph, 4th sentence:

You can choose to just use Puppy Linux team and do nothing else.

Should be:

You can choose to just use Puppy Linux and do nothing else.

I think you should give more visibility to the links in the "I need more info before deciding to try …" section. It is really the sitemap to the text content part of the site. Not sure exactly how to do that without messing up the single column organization (which I like and think you should keep). Maybe a horizontal formatted "Site map" footer at the bottom of each page.

edit: Yeah, a regular html text link footer on each page.

First row contains the links in the bar at the top, so people for whom the bar doesn't work can use the site. Second row contains the links in the "I need more info. . . " section. Maybe a third row with links that are in the FAQ (and elsewhere).

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L18L · #65 Post by **L18L** » Sat 05 Mar 2016, 09:45

01micko wrote:Only problem is the nav bar but IE6 is notorious for its crap CSS support, plus it doesn't support svg.

Simplest solution is conditionally inclusion of Dean Edwards' javascript called IE9.js
Find it here: http://ie7-js.googlecode.com/svn/versio ... 8beta4%29/

It is just this one line to be inserted (between <head> and </head>):

Code: Select all

<!--[if lt IE 9]><script type="text/javascript" src="IE.js"></script><![endif]-->

This has already been demonstrated, see source of link in http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 968#889968
<edit>"This means just the inclusion. I don't have neither IE nor smart phone."</edit

https://code.google.com/archive/p/ie7-js/ wrote:About

IE7.js is a JavaScript library to make Microsoft Internet Explorer behave like a standards-compliant browser.
It fixes many HTML and CSS issues and makes transparent PNG work correctly under IE5 and IE6.

and

IE9.js

Upgrade MSIE5.5-8 to be compatible with modern browsers.

Yes I know, it is working only with javascript enabled.
IE users tend to not disable javascript
This IE*.js has always been good for me and it will be good for puppylunux.

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