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davids45


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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2018, 22:52    Post subject: LxPupSc-18.05+2
Subject description: but again/still with JWM
 

G'day peebee,

Thanks for all your work with Slack and recent Ubuntu Pups.

I've made a new LxScPup (switched to JWM & Rox but used the existing 18.05 savefile) and it works very well as before (earlier post of my 18.04 install) but I again have minor issues with a couple of packages.

I think these could be woof-related and hope by raising these, fixes could be made where possible.

'Open file' 'Places' panel still cluttered in this series (screenshot) - Bionic Pups are not affected if that helps identify what's happening.

Simple printer ink level monitors do not work - again Bionic and most other Pups are fine to tell me how much ink is in my networked Epson printer (terminal screenshot shows errors for two ink packages).

Rox-Filer - I'd like to re-order the columns I need to check/use toward the centre of the details screen. In a very few Pups this is easily done by a drag'n'drop (e.g. xenialpup-7.5). Could Rox-Filer be amended to have this capability?

Thanks again,
David S.
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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2018, 02:30    Post subject:  

Why the preoccupation with Sylpheed? Claws is preferred by many serious emailers! Broadly, they are compatible, the latter being the more developed spin-off.
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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2018, 04:51    Post subject:  

Updated 15-may

delta +3
d788577c307bbe251785557a1bd5359f LxPupSc-18.05+3T-k64.iso

Notice: these drivers may a. not work & b. may disappear in the future....
Quote:
Sat May 12 00:28:18 UTC 2018
Where possible, the driver packages for X11 have been recompiled. However,
there were some (xf86-video-geode, xf86-video-tseng, xf86-video-sis,
xf86-video-savage, xf86-video-s3virge, xf86-video-rendition, xf86-video-r128,
and xf86-video-mach64) that would not compile against xorg-server-1.20.0 and
for which no patches seem to be available. Is anyone still using those, or are
they finally obsolete? I'll hold off on removing them until I can find out one
way or the other.

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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2018, 05:10    Post subject:  

Hi @davids45

Your use-case is somewhat unusual.....LxPup is meant to be primarily an LXDE based system although JWM/Rox are retained in the build for "emergency purposes".... + you have "more than the average" number of partitions on your system....

On your 3 comments:
1. this could be gvfs related - does LxPupBionic have the same issue?
2. no idea I'm afraid - does slacko-6.9.9.9 have this issue?
3. there are many variants of Rox around with different patches....the one in LxPupSc comes from slacko and is adequate for its intended purpose - you could try the one in upupbb:
http://www.smokey01.com/peebee/upupbb/extras/pet_packages-upupbb/rox-filer-2015.02-i686_s704.pet
or you could try the experimental one from woodenshoe-wi:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=990140#990140

Cheers
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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2018, 10:22    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
Why the preoccupation with Sylpheed? Claws is preferred by many serious emailers! Broadly, they are compatible, the latter being the more developed spin-off.


Hi Sage, My email needs are rudimentary & Sylpheed is in most pups and just works for my simple institution supported IMAP. I've run Claws but slightly prefer the Sylpheed display format. Truth be told I still pine for Eudora Wink

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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2018, 10:29    Post subject: Re: LxPupSc-18.05+2
Subject description: but again/still with JWM
 

davids45 wrote:
'Open file' 'Places' panel still cluttered in this series (screenshot) - Bionic Pups are not affected if that helps identify what's happening.

Bit of further investigation shows this issue is due to pup-volume-monitor which is essential for PcManFM and is still running after switching to JWM.

The solution is to remove execute permission from:
/etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor
and reboot

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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2018, 12:54    Post subject:  

Quote:
I still pine for Eudora

Strange you should say that, Marv. I retain a .pet that one of our clan kindly produced a couple of centuries ago and sometimes unwrap and load it. Most subsequent Puppies accept it without flinching, but things move on and I'd only expect succes with true 32bit offerings, but you never know...
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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2018, 20:27    Post subject: Places clutter and other niggles  

G'day peebee,

Thanks for your replies to my a bit 'off-distro' questions as an addicted JWM/Rox user.

Quote:
The solution is to remove execute permission from:
/etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor
and reboot


By coincidence, this morning I'm posting from an earlier LxPupSc (18.04) so have removed the exec permission as you suggest but will have to wait until I leave the forum and reboot. If this works, I'll pin it on my noticeboard to see if it fixes other Pups with this nagging clutter problem (for me anyway).

I'll also try your other suggestions and report back in case there are other users with the same minor problems.

David S.
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PostPosted: Sun 13 May 2018, 01:38    Post subject: First trials to fix some minor issues
Subject description: Tested with LxPupBionic in the main
 

G'day peebee,

I've now made a LxPupBionic to compare with LxPupSc in regard to the minor problems in an earlier post of mine to which you replied:

Quote:
On your 3 comments:
1. this could be gvfs related - does LxPupBionic have the same issue?
2. no idea I'm afraid - does slacko-6.9.9.9 have this issue?
3. there are many variants of Rox around with different patches....the one in LxPupSc comes from slacko and is adequate for its intended purpose - you could try the one in upupbb:
http://www.smokey01.com/peebee/upupbb/extras/pet_packages-upupbb/rox-filer-2015.02-i686_s704.pet
or you could try the experimental one from woodenshoe-wi:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=990140#990140


So far....
1. LxPupBionic had the 'Open file' clutter, but your fix to stop /etc/init.d/start-systen-monitor executing (changing its properties) has done the trick Smile . I've printed off your post and pinned it to my corkboard so I can use this fix in other affected Pups - unless there's an unintended side effect Laughing

2. LxPupBionic is fine, with inkgui telling me I need to replace my magenta and cyan cartidges soon.. Rolling Eyes
I don't recall any slacko-6.9.9.9s having this 'no printer found' problem but I am still to check some of these.

3. Rox column inflexibility: obviously a more complex "problem" to fix and I'm fairly used to having to deal with wanted columns being off-window. When I have the time, I'll see if any of your links provide an improvement.

Your clutter-fix worked in LxPupSc-18.04 and next I'll see how the latest delta update for LxPupSc-18.05 responds.

Quote:
Your use-case is somewhat unusual.....LxPup is meant to be primarily an LXDE based system although JWM/Rox are retained in the build for "emergency purposes".... + you have "more than the average" number of partitions on your system....


You're quite right - I took a while to get interested in your LxPups as I hadn't found any benefit in LXDE compared to JWM (latest screenshots attached).
Your 'bait' that caught me was your use of a 64-bit kernel in a 32-bit Pup (and still having JWM and Rox kept me hooked).
Is LxPupBionic also using a 64-bit kernel or is it just the same as your 'regular' Bionic Pups?

Thanks again,
David S.
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PostPosted: Sun 13 May 2018, 02:01    Post subject: Re: First trials to fix some minor issues
Subject description: Tested with LxPupBionic in the main
 

davids45 wrote:
Is LxPupBionic also using a 64-bit kernel or is it just the same as your 'regular' Bionic Pups?
Thanks again,
David S.

UPupBB & LxPupBionic ship with a 32-bit kernel but they should work (untested) by swapping in the 64-bit kernel from LxPupSc.

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PostPosted: Sun 13 May 2018, 03:33    Post subject: Update on Places clutter & Inklevel
Subject description: LxPupSc-18.05+3
 

G'day peebee,

Thanks for the info on the 32-bit kernel in Bionics and the possibility of trying the 64-bit Sc kernel ("untested" - an interesting word Wink ).

I've now made a LxPupSc-18.05+3 (via the delta). I deleted the six OS files in my 18.05+1 but kept its savefile after renaming it to '3' in place of '1'.

Booted fine and all my existing apps links were present (the 'old' savefile worked).

Every 'Open file' dialog was still 'cluttered' so I re-propertied /etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor to be non-executable. And the clutter was gone.

While the inkgui package would not work ('no printer found') in these LxPupScs, I had yesterday tried the more elaborate Epson-provided escputil package (as a .deb file) in my now 'deceased' LxPupSc-1805+1, .... and it worked Shocked . And it still worked when I updated to +3 with the +1 savefile (screenshot) Shocked Shocked . Still need to replace two cartridges Sad .
Anyway, that's an ink-level work-around for the Scs while the Bionics and most other Pups are still good with inkgui. Maybe this is kernel-related? If you don't have an inkjet printer, then this will be all Greek to you no doubt.

David S.
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PostPosted: Thu 17 May 2018, 12:28    Post subject:  

delta +4
81d2ade61bf40b17aaf8d9f3f0131f6b LxPupSc-18.05+4M-k64.iso

BUILD_FROM_WOOF='master;7e08a9a5;2018-05-16 23:20:02 +0800'

Also kernel 4.16.9 (not in iso)

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PostPosted: Thu 17 May 2018, 19:46    Post subject: kernel update/switch
Subject description: guide for a user?
 

G'day peebee,

Or should that be 'peabee' as per your sourceforge page identity (like Spike Milligan, are you too a famous typographical error Laughing )

Thanks for your next LxPupSc delta which I'll use soon.

Rox-Filer fix:
In an earlier post, I raised my problem of Rox's inflexible column lay-out and you posted a few links to explore.
Thanks to those, I've found that an old (2011) Rox-Filer bin file (the one in /usr/local/apps/Rox-Filer/), when switched for the one in your Pup, will allow columns to be moved around and, even better, its default layout has the 'Last Modified' column visible in the opening Rox window, not out-of-sight off-window to the right-hand end of the columns.
As a user, not a developer, this column is what I look to most in manipulating files with Rox. So with this old Rox bin file, I don't actually need to move the columns with this default lay-out. I've used this fix with quite a few other Pups with no problems so far.

Kernel replacement:
With your latest delta upload, you've added a separate newer kernel. Have you a simple guide as to how to replace the kernel in your LxPups?
I did a kernel switch years ago in a Tahr Pup (following directions) and recall using wiak's MakePups to create Pups with different kernels (32-bit with 32-bit) but is putting a 64-bit kernel in a 32-bit Pup straightforward (for someone not really knowing what I'm, oops, he's doing Embarassed )?

David S.
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PostPosted: Sat 19 May 2018, 05:19    Post subject: Re: kernel update/switch
Subject description: guide for a user?
 

davids45 wrote:
Have you a simple guide as to how to replace the kernel in your LxPups?

Hi David

Frugal installs only....
Click on the huge-*.tar.bz2 file, extract the 2 files therein.
Move the 2 files to your frugal install folder (if you've extracted somewhere else)
Delete or rename the existing vmlinuz and zdrv* files
Rename the 2 new files to vmlinuz and zdrv*
Reboot

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