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peebee


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PostPosted: Sun 09 Apr 2017, 05:19    Post subject: Re: pmcputemp  

Rodney Byne wrote:
Hi peebee,

Following my 17.01.26 & now new 17.04.1,
same unresolved issue;
pmcputemp installed from PPM only shows core temperature
in system tray when initialised in terminal, but disappears again
when terminal is closed.
Shouldn't it work dynamically to "stick" after re-boot?
Regards.

Hi RB

That pet does not seem to install itself into either /root/Startup or /root/.config/autostart ..... which does seem strange!

What you need to do is open /root/Startup in a terminal and type:
Code:
ln -s /usr/bin/pmcputemp pmcputemp
and then restart the window manager....
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Rodney Byne

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Apr 2017, 06:19    Post subject: Re: pmcputemp  

PB,

Thanks for the quick reply.

Sorry I've made a mess of this, I have less than
zero coding knowledge as being just a pensioner.

I had to hand-type your command into URXVT
because its copy/paste facility is inoperative
using my scroll-wheel mouse.
None of the mouse buttons or wheel do this.

When I did type it correctly, I think it said it failed
to create a symbolic link the second time around
as I'd already created it.

Anyway the upshot is pmcputemp still doesn't
work, as the little green box should appear
immediately in the sys tray on bootup.

The other thing is I didn't know how to restart
the window manager as command not known,
so simply re-booted.
How is this done?

Could you please investigate & test much more
deeply this problem.
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Apr 2017, 07:22    Post subject: Re: pmcputemp  

Rodney Byne wrote:
Could you please investigate & test much more
deeply this problem.

Hi RB

There is no "problem"....

The pet is made by 01micko and is not constructed to meet your expectations...

Don't use urxvt - use LXTerminal....

Restart WM is a button on the Session Control menu....

Attached is a modified .pet which should meet your expectations Wink
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Rodney Byne

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Apr 2017, 11:56    Post subject: Re pmcputemp  

PB,

The .pet runs, but when the green box appears, the laptop
fan speeds up and then the green box turns red.
The laptop top plate gets unnaturally hotter.

So I have decided to stand down on this issue
and have uninstalled the .pet to status quo.
The pc fan now just ticks over normally.

My original expectation was led by BK's earlier
xenial xerus 7.0.1 which temp indicator works normally.

One thing I have noticed when trying out distros, if the OS
has two alternative window managers, such that the
unselected WM & vice-versa still runs in the background,
the fan screams fast enough to threaten tearing out its bearings.

This situation is totally unacceptable as the dual-core processors
are obviously heat-overloaded.
Cheers.
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Apr 2017, 04:21    Post subject: Re: Re pmcputemp  

Rodney Byne wrote:
...the laptop fan speeds up and then the green box turns red.

.....if the OS has two alternative window managers, such that the
unselected WM & vice-versa still runs in the background,

Hi RB

My laptop does not exhibit that behaviour.....

There is no other window manager running in LxPup - use the Task Manager - you will see no sign of jwm running.....

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Apr 2017, 04:25    Post subject:  

There is a new version of libbluray been added to Slackware which I would like to switch to but have no way of testing.

Can anybody check if bluray discs play in mplayer when the attached ydrv sfs (false .gz) is installed please?

Ta.
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mistfire

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Apr 2017, 18:15    Post subject:  

Hi @peebee does your lxpup kernel supports "forcepae" option? If yes how to use this option on grub or syslinux?
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Location: SW Wisconsin

PostPosted: Mon 10 Apr 2017, 18:57    Post subject:  

mistfire wrote:
Hi @peebee does your lxpup kernel supports "forcepae" option? If yes how to use this option on grub or syslinux?


@mistfire - Both the current 4.10.x kernels and the 'alternative' 4.4.x kernels fully support forcepae, as IIRC do all kernels since 4.x.x or so. I routinely run the 'alternative' kernels and test the 'regular' ones in LxPupSc and LxPupXenial on my Pentium M laptops which require forcepae. I use Grub4Dos only and pass forcepae as a kernel parameter in the menu.lst entry there so I can't help with the exact parameter placement in a grub or syslinux install.

My reasons for using the 'alternative' kernels in the forcepae Pentium Ms are twofold. One, they lock up on suspend with any of the 4.10.x kernels and the other is that the video FPS is 3x lower with the 4.10 series than with the 4.4 series. The 4.9.x kernel in LxPupXenial is intermediate in that it suspends correctly but still has the poorer video performance.

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Apr 2017, 12:58    Post subject:  

Hi PeeBee,

Just wanted to give you a heads up, on the latest LxPupSc release, that even with the alt-Xorg and alt-kernel, once again I lost my dual monitors, redshift abilities and few other things (as we had talked about a few months ago). To rectify the situation, since the alt kernel and Xorg provided did not work, I again went to a recent Slacko32 build I did (a woof-CE build I did a couple of weeks ago) and grabbed it's vmlinuz and kernel. I then put them into this latest LxPupSc (always frugal installed) and..... sure enough.........everything worked as it should again.

What I find strange is out of all pup iterations here on murga----which I sample (and use) a lot of---these problems (losing dual monitors, xorg, redshift, etc) only appears with two distros: LxPupSc and now mistfire's X-Slacko-Slim. I've had to let Mistfire's go, as I don't have time to keep trouble shooting it. But for yours, I'll keep at it, flopping in the whatever the latest vmlinuz & kernel is in Micko's Slacko32 latest builds, and everything should be good. As always, thanks so much for keeping LxPupSc always fresh and up-to-date! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Apr 2017, 17:41    Post subject: libbluray 2.0.0  

Hello @peebee,

removed old libbluray ( 1.4.0 ) package,
converted your SFS to a PET and tested this under use of LxPup-Sc 17.03.2 and Mplayer 1.3.0

worked without problems,
thank you very much.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Apr 2017, 02:02    Post subject: Re: libbluray 2.0.0  

norgo wrote:
Hello @peebee,

removed old libbluray ( 1.4.0 ) package,
converted your SFS to a PET and tested this under use of LxPup-Sc 17.03.2 and Mplayer 1.3.0

worked without problems,
thank you very much.

Hi norgo

Great - thanks for testing - will go into the next build....

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Apr 2017, 15:19    Post subject:  

@belham2 - Just for information purposes if it's not too much trouble could you swap in the 4.9.13 kernel from the most recent LxPupXenial and see if it passes or fails your 'redshift etc.' test? The last couple of versions of mistfires X-slacko Slim have been using the LxPupSc 4.10.x kernel so it's not surprising they act similarly wrt that.

Thanks,

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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 10:24    Post subject:  

Marv wrote:
The last couple of versions of mistfires X-slacko Slim have been using the LxPupSc 4.10.x kernel so it's not surprising they act similarly wrt that.

Interesting, I didn't know that. That one I tried a few months ago came with 3.14.56 (not as a zdrv) I think.
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 13:29    Post subject:  

Marv wrote:
@belham2 - Just for information purposes if it's not too much trouble could you swap in the 4.9.13 kernel from the most recent LxPupXenial and see if it passes or fails your 'redshift etc.' test? The last couple of versions of mistfires X-slacko Slim have been using the LxPupSc 4.10.x kernel so it's not surprising they act similarly wrt that.

Thanks,



@Marv,

Downloaded the 4.9.13 kernel from ibiblio----thanks to peebee, as I wasn't sure what you were referring to since LxPupXenial latest kernel is 4.1.31 in the latest -16-Sept-2016-release of LxPupXenial.

Anyhow, putting the 4.9.13 kernel in (with its vmlinuz) into LxPupSc-17.04.1 (with no savefile, and a frugal boot) was/is a disaster. Wireless Mouse stopped working upon hitting the desktop, had to go grab a wired (which worked), tried to set up an internet connection, and no LAN connection can be seen---no active network adapters can be seen, which, lol, is a very first for any pup I've tried over the past several years using my systems. Tried even loading the module for the gigabyte board, but it wouldn't work.

So, i stopped right here since no functioning network interface ability puts a kabosh on doing anything else.

If it helps you to know, I've done XenialPup64 build with the 4.9.15 kernel (in fact, use it a lot of my chess playing), and have no problems with it whatsoever. So if I can do builds with the 4.9.15 kernel in it, have full dual screens, redshift, and no xorg problems, then what is going on in LxPup (and Mistfire's X-Slacko) that I can continually have to resort back to using whatever Micko puts in his latest Slacko32 builds.....which as I noted, is exactly what I did and then LxPup-17.04.1 (and all iterations) run fine. Heck, I even run Micko's latest Slacko32 and 64 builds, and have zero problems with the latest kernels he puts in.

Something is screwy here....but I've no time at the present to hunt this down, so i just trashed-can Mistfire's creation and for Peebee's, I just grab the last kernel & vmlinuz from a slacko32 build, and I am good to go in LxPup any-version. (The latest Slacko32 build I did, just some days ago, I chose the old battle-proven 3.14.78 huge kernel specifically because I knew it had to do double-duty in subbing in for what I am getting with LxPupSc).

I don't think Peebee (or you) should waste any time on this. I guess I must be an outlier with my 5-6 year old 3 Gigabyte AMD motherboards, 7 year old 2 Biostar AMD motherboards and 2 ASUS AMD 3-4 years motherboards. Quite honestly, even the crazy dpup builds I have done, I never have any problems like this that I do with LxPupSc. I continue with LxPupSc only for one reason: how Peebee integrates PCManFM....once I figure out how to do that in my own builds, and/or Phil (or others) start doing it to the degree that Peebee does it so well, only then will I leave LxPupSc and the headache of always having to revert back to older kernels and xorg servers.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2017, 09:32    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
I've done XenialPup64 build with the 4.9.15 kernel (in fact, use it a lot of my chess playing), and have no problems with it whatsoever. So if I can do builds with the 4.9.15 kernel in it, have full dual screens, redshift, and no xorg problems, then what is going on in LxPup

Hi @Belham2 & @Marv

I have just tested LxPupSc-17.04.x (32-bit) with kernel huge-4.9.15-xenialpup64 (64-bit) and it works just fine.....(apart from strange tunl0 device....)

Keep the LxPupSc fdrv even though firmware is in the zdrv as it adds some firmware like b43.

Please test.
Thanks
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