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#286 Post by musher0 »

Hello all.

"Curiouser and curiouser", says Alice's Rabbit...

Please see attached screen capture. Does anybody have an explanation?
Why does a gcc error appear when trying to update .Xresources live?

When xrdb is used this way, when I restart Xclock, all the foreground
colors in Xclock are black. They shouldn't be, as these colors have been
carefully chosen to form a theme.

For reference, here is my Xclock color configuration in .Xresources:
!XClock config ! Derived from http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions ... nding-road'
XClock.foreground: #fbfbfb
XClock.background: #b00018
!(...)
XClock.Clock.majorColor: rgba:4e/44/38/ff
XClock.Clock.minorColor: rgba:a0/c0/f0/ff
XClock.Clock.hourColor: rgba:c9/66/11/c0
XClock.Clock.minuteColor: rgba:00/82/9f/c0
XClock.Clock.secondColor: rgba:ff/ff/ff/ff
"Curiouser and curiouser", says Alice's Rabbit...

Thanks in advance for any leads.
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#287 Post by musher0 »

Ok... The above was not the only library missing to be able to run xrdb in
librepup. Here is the URL of a *.pet archive containing all of them,
-- https://www.adrive.com/public/bypCZJ/xr ... up-6.x.pet --
and in tree form, their list:
.
└── usr
├── lib
│   ├── libcloog-isl.so.4 -> libcloog-isl.so.4.0.0
│   ├── libcloog-isl.so.4.0.0
│   ├── libisl.so.10 -> libisl.so.10.2.2
│   ├── libisl.so.10.2.2
│   ├── libisl.so.13 -> libisl.so.13.1.1
│   ├── libisl.so.13.1.1
│   ├── libmpc.so.3 -> libmpc.so.3.0.0
│   └── libmpc.so.3.0.0
└── share
└── doc
└── libmpc3-1.0.3
├── AUTHORS
├── NEWS
└── README
5 directories, 13 files
Enjoy. BFN.
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#288 Post by musher0 »

Hello all.

I'm still in the "curiouser and curiouser" series. In LibrePup, the planner
project manager is missing the libgnomecanvas-2 library.

My LibrePup ppm was on sick leave today, even after updating it. :oops: :(
So I'm giving you the URL from the ALT-Sysyphus repo at pkgs.org.

After it got its missing lib, planner worked fine on this 32-bit computer.

I hope this helps. BFN.

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#289 Post by musher0 »

Hello all.

Here are a couple of other reportedly missing libs:
* you may want to open directory /lib and copy
__ libssl.so.0.9.7 to libssl.so.0.9.8
__ libcrypto.so.0.9.7 to libcrypto.so.0.9.8
Those are actually links to libssl.so.1.0.0 and libcrypto.so.1.0.0,
respectively, who are already in the /lib directory. Those libs are required
by gs (aka ghostscript) and ppmtojpeg.

Add'l note:
* the libgnomecanvas lib above is also supporting notecase.

All of the above will be reported missing (and a few others) if you open a
terminal in a pristine LibrePup and type:

Code: Select all

cd /usr/bin
ldd * | grep not | grep -v dynamic 
I did the same for dirs /bin and /usr/local/bin, and no missing libs were reported for the apps in those directories.

I'll keep you posted.

Bye for now.
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#290 Post by musher0 »

Where is iguleder, BTW?
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#291 Post by musher0 »

Hello all.

If you need a simple and efficient database program, here's a
portabase *.pet that'll work OOTB in LibrePup-6.0.2.2.

Enjoy!
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#292 Post by Iguleder »

musher0 wrote:Where is iguleder, BTW?
He's busy.
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#293 Post by musher0 »

Hello all.

I tried to compile a rather new echinus wm from git with the make
included in the librepup devx: it never got past ranlib errors. I compiled
it in librepup with the tahrpup devx instead and its make worked fine.

Please share similar experiences of compiling in librepup if you've had
any, if only to confirm that librepup' devx indeed has a "wild" ranlib --
and that I haven't lost a screw. Thanks in advance.

Now I've got the wonderful new tiling|hybrid wm: "echinus-0.4.8_abs"
running in librepup. (Please see pic below.) Leave a note if interested! :)

BFN.
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The seemingly complete task bar is actually made of two apps: ourico
(echinus companion prog.) at left and stalonetray (for the icons) at right.
The bar at the bottom is a conky one-liner.
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#294 Post by futwerk »

a few backgrounds.
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echinus-0.4.8_abs

#295 Post by yerc1 »

musher0 wrote:Now I've got the wonderful new tiling|hybrid wm: "echinus-0.4.8_abs" running in librepup. (Please see pic below.) Leave a note if interested! :)
Looks really nice.

Questions:
Is your librepup running echinus as its only wm (i.e. jwm removed)?
Can you share your echinus puppy package and your conky config please?
Thanks

EDIT: I found your echinus pet package here http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 6&start=30

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#296 Post by tronkel »

Awesome work! This distro looks as if it ought to be included in the Free Software Foundation's officially approved distro listings.

Richard Stallman can be contacted at:

rms@gnu.org

Not many distros actually do get an accreditation, but this one seems to possess the necessary attributes AFAIK.
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Re: echinus-0.4.8_abs

#297 Post by musher0 »

yerc1 wrote:
musher0 wrote:Now I've got the wonderful new tiling|hybrid wm: "echinus-0.4.8_abs" running in librepup. (Please see pic below.) Leave a note if interested! :)
Looks really nice.

Questions:
Is your librepup running echinus as its only wm (i.e. jwm removed)?
Can you share your echinus puppy package and your conky config please?
Thanks

EDIT: I found your echinus pet package here http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 6&start=30
Thanks yerc1.

Glad you found my echinus *.pet package.

No I haven't removed the jwm window manager from librepup. While I
am confident that echinus can handle all and any windows, it's never a
bad idea to keep a "cascading" window manager such as jwm handy,
for the odd case.

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#298 Post by musher0 »

tronkel wrote:Awesome work! This distro looks as if it ought to be included in the Free Software Foundation's officially approved distro listings.

Richard Stallman can be contacted at:

rms@gnu.org

Not many distros actually do get an accreditation, but this one seems to possess the necessary attributes AFAIK.
Hello tronkel.

Long time no see! How are you doing? :)

I agree with you. I think Iguleder should submit his LibrePup to the FSF.
LibrePup is "that good", IMO. However, he should give it a last polish, I
think, because* I found a few missing links, and while compiling the
new echinus, the "ar" aka "ranlib" in the devx went nuts...

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#299 Post by musher0 »

@futwerk: Very nicely done!
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#300 Post by tronkel »

@musher0

Yes it's nice to back. I've been messing around with other stuff for quite a while - digital photography mostly, but the latest Puppy developments have pulled me back into the fold.

Comparing Librepup with the other FSF official offerings, it has the potential to overtake many if not all of them. It would be a statement to the world that Puppy has reached something of a pinnacle in it's development and now has the confidence to offer a libre version in it's catalogue lineup - apart from its practical attributes of course. Not so many distros can say that.

Last year (2014) I got to have a chat with Richard Stallman during a lecturing tour he held here in Vienna. Since he uses nothing else other than pure free software on his personal laptop (which never leaves his grasp!), I asked him what make of laptop he uses. The answer was that he had been using this (forget what it was called) obscure laptop, that is now no longer being made. He now recommends the use of old IBM hardware as being the most suitable for use with free software. Such old laptops can be picked up quite cheaply nowadays, so I think I'll have a go and see what transpires.

How are you getting along with Librepup?
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#301 Post by musher0 »

@tronkel:

Oh, I'm doing fine with LibrePup. It's a wonderful "incarnation" of Puppy.
I also like the concept of it being based entirely on free software. I've
come to realize that it's a must if we want to keep computing accessible
to all.

And now that I've discovered Trisquel's "abrowser", I can't live without it!!!

I agree with you that it would be quite an achievement for one of the
Puppies to have this FSF recognition. It would reflect on all Puppies, too,
I think. Hats off and congratulations once more to Iguleder, BTW.

Interesting that Mr. Stallman would recommend older IBM's as most
compatible with free software. On the face of it, you wouldn't think so.
It's sort of counter-intuitive, since "Big Blue" has been so identified with
closed patents in the past.

Anyway. Quite glad you're back! I hope you'll stay a long while. Can we
expect another hit like your Puppy-3.0.2 in the near future? :)

BFN.
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#302 Post by tronkel »

@musher0

It's probably more by accident than by design that some of the older IBM laptops are libre-friendly. I think RMS was referring to early Thinkpads that had on-board Intel graphics, Atheros wifi and a compatible Ethernet driver.

Talking about a future Puppy derivative, I've just installed Lubuntu Trusty 14.04 onto an old MacBook 3.1 for a friend of mine.

Old Apple hardware, but very nicely built and worked first time round with Lubuntu. Runs way better than the original OSX/Windows installation that got overwritten.

The point here is that Tahrpup64 (also Ubuntu compatible) appears - at first sight, to be a good candidate for using as a basis for a Puppy build that will run on Mac Intel-based hardware. The meager specs on these older Macs means that a minimalist distro like Tahrpup would really improve the performance of these old but still good laptops. The original Mac OS was very unresponsive on this machine.

I'll see how far I get with this - can't promise anything yet. I'll check out the Lubuntu packages and try to isolate any packages that would be required for install to a Mac and then include them in a Tahrpup Woof-CE build.

This would make Richard Stallman's beard twitch though. He hates both Apple and Ubuntu!

It would be quite ironic as well if Librepup had suitable packages available, that could be made to run on non-free hardware such as Apple. That would be a very cool hack.
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#303 Post by Antipodal »

on Sat 19 Dec 2015 tronkel wrote:Awesome work! This distro looks as if it ought to be included in the Free Software Foundation's officially approved distro listings.

Richard Stallman can be contacted at:

rms@gnu.org

Not many distros actually do get an accreditation, but this one seems to possess the necessary attributes AFAIK.
on Mon 21 Dec 2015 musher0 wrote:Hello tronkel.

I agree with you. I think Iguleder should submit his LibrePup to the FSF.
LibrePup is "that good", IMO. However, he should give it a last polish, I
think, because* I found a few missing links, and while compiling the
new echinus, the "ar" aka "ranlib" in the devx went nuts...

BFN.
on Mon 21 Dec 2015 tronkel wrote:Comparing Librepup with the other FSF official offerings, it has the potential to overtake many if not all of them. It would be a statement to the world that Puppy has reached something of a pinnacle in it's development and now has the confidence to offer a libre version in it's catalogue lineup - apart from its practical attributes of course. Not so many distros can say that.
I strongly agree with tronkel
Unfortunately my knowledge about computing is far from being enough to endorse or oppose musher0's words.

But I do like Puppy distributions very much and I have read http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html.

In that URL, under the the header in line 377, the first paragraph says that if anyone thinks there is a distribution that qualifies for a listing under FSF guidelines, s/he should let the distribution's mantainers know about the upmentioned page and encourage them to get in touch because they wil be welcomed.

The next paragraph is addressed to mantainers, and has a link to the
Free System Distribution Guidelines and provides this e-mail address: <licensing@fsf.org>
It also says that after the mantainers send to this address an introduction and a link to the unlisted distribution, the FSF will explain more about the evaluation process and will get started on it quickly.

I know that there are a lot of chances that Iguleder and his team are aware of what I have just written.
However, because I think that these steps should be taken as soon as possible and before contacting rms (as has been suggested above) I have highlighted them here.
I consider that LibrePup and this thread are such important achievements that they deserve, from time to time, being softly bumped up.

On the other hand, if there is a place in Iguleder's team for someone who knows almost nothing about computers but is very interested and willing to learn and help, please, let me know.
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#304 Post by foxh0und »

Outstanding!

This is most excellent work - thank you Iguleder

After finishing the rebuild on the recently acquired T60 - Librepup will be the main OS :)

And I agree with the previous statements - hope Iguleder contacts the FSF and gets on the list

Highly suspect Librepup will be very popular there
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#305 Post by calmsoul »

foxh0und wrote:Outstanding!

This is most excellent work - thank you Iguleder

After finishing the rebuild on the recently acquired T60 - Librepup will be the main OS :)

And I agree with the previous statements - hope Iguleder contacts the FSF and gets on the list

Highly suspect Librepup will be very popular there
Two things, is librepup still being updated, and does anyone know what i would have to do to install it on libreboot x200 laptop?

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