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Posted: Tue 01 May 2012, 16:05
by Karl Godt
vtpup wrote:rjbrewer wrote:
On the 945gm Latitude the fps jumped from 20fps to 300
fps.
Unfortunately, when I rebooted it wasn't possible to restart
x. May be related to running frugal as I don't have a hard drive
for that machine yet and I always use full installs if possible
Same here, and I use frugal installs.
Were you able to recover from the X problem?
I'd really like to know how such a system (say from a blacklisted i915) could be repaired without trashing the personal savefile and starting over.
Is it possible to un-blacklist a video module if you can't start X and you get a black screen with blinking cursor, and no key response.
I did try pfix=clean in the grub menu.lst stanza but that made no difference to the start up problem. Didn't try pfix=purge.
Seems like there might be a less extreme alternative means if you could boot to terminal and then load the blacklisted module, and then do an xwin to boot to X with module in place. Then use Bootmanager to un-blacklist the module. Then re-start.
But what pfix line boots to cursor, and what are the commands to load a module from console, say i915?
I'd like to just know this stuff in case of any similar future X problems.
Newer Intel graphic chips (900+) and goo' old Xorg-1.3.0 intel_drv.so from Puppy-4.3 don't play very well together .
Newer Xorg-1.7+ since Lupu should be fine with i915.ko and Xorg's driver intel(_drv.so) .
Blacklisting using the bootmanager adds to the modprobe configuration file used to autoload kernel drivers at boot time (/tmp/modprobe.conf) . Xorg itself seems to be capable to load drivers itself and won't care about /tmp/modprobe.conf . Former puppy modprobe-v3.6 seems to be patched to automatically obey /etc/i[modprobe.d]/[modprobe.conf]* blacklist DRIVERNAME entries , while it is not the default . To make modprobe command obey blacklist entries , modprobe has to be aliased in configuration files like "alias modprobe='modprobe -b'" in /etc/profile , same as already "ls" is aliased there .
To load i915 for example :
or
What modeset actually does is still not clear to me ...
There is also the insmod command, but it requires the full path/driver-file-name.extension :
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insmod /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko[.gz]
To remove a module :
or
Posted: Tue 01 May 2012, 16:16
by rjbrewer
vtpup wrote:
Were you able to recover from the X problem?
I'd really like to know how such a system (say from a blacklisted i915) could be repaired without trashing the personal savefile and starting over.
Is it possible to un-blacklist a video module if you can't start X and you get a black screen with blinking cursor, and no key response.
Guess that's why constant backups are necessary with
frugal.
With full installs; I just pop in the cd, rerun the install, choose
upgrade instead of wipe, and it fixes any file problems
without destroying my setups.
Posted: Tue 01 May 2012, 17:31
by npierce
vtpup wrote:Can you remove a .pet from the command line?
While I don't know about Racy 5.3, this worked from the text console in Puppy 4.3.1:
Notice the minus sign before the name, and the lack of ".pet" after it.
(The opposite was not true: petget could
not install from the text console in 4.3.1, it only downloaded the pet.)
vtpup wrote:But what pfix line boots to cursor . . .
Posted: Tue 01 May 2012, 18:24
by vtpup
Thanks very much Karl Godt and npierce, that information is very very valuable to understand, and to have. I'm writing it in a little notebook I keep by the computer. I guess it would be a good idea to add all of the pfix commands there, too.
that -packagename is very cool......
Posted: Sat 05 May 2012, 15:19
by vtpup
Possible bug -- just mentioning it here as a bug report -- I've raised a separate request for personal help on this in the regular User's forum.
Symptoms:
After a couple weeks of using Racy53, I'm suddenly getting many instances of a process called kworker. These use up processor resources to the point that the OS is inoperable a few seconds after X starts. I have to hard reset with the on-off button. Menu shutdown, Alt-Ctl-Del doesn't work. Can't open a terminal for poweroff, either. Well maybe if I could do it quick enough.....
The computer is listed in the sig below. This computer and Racy53 were working fine yesterday evening. I haven't installed any hardware or software since then, or made any changes at all. I did not have any hard shutdowns, or suspends before this occurrence. Now I have, of course.
The computer hardware seems to be fine, I am dual booted right now into Upup Precise to write this.
Posted: Sat 05 May 2012, 16:22
by Karl Godt
Haven't had such problems, googling revealed these :
https://porteus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=250
http://lwn.net/Articles/403891/
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/workqueue.txt;h=01c513fac40ece66b73a1709f6df496b5aade8d2;hb=HEAD
The links are from one page ( in german ) with several additional likks to try :
http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/kworker-frisst-cpu/
The best possible solution seems to be
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echo N >/sys/module/drm_kms_helper/parameters/poll
which may be related to your radeon? craphics chip/card .
and permanent solution /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf
options drm_kms_helper poll=N
So we likely need to know the drivers which are loaded .
Posted: Sat 05 May 2012, 17:15
by vtpup
Thank you Karl. The problem is suddenly gone, but I would still like to try to pin it down if we can, anyway.
The only difference I can see between multiple attempts to start up this morning, and starting up now, is that I moved my physical location. I was at a coffeeshop this morning, and am home now, so I'm wondering if it is related to wireless connection processes.
My understanding now is that kworker processes are actually place holder processes for other processes. Possibly wireless was one of those.
In older kernels pprocess or top would list actual processes running, but now these are seen as kworker processes -- so it is a lot harder to tell what is actually causing the hang up.
I like the older system better where you could actually see what was going on and what the cause was.
Anyway, to answer your questions, Karl, I don't have Radeon graphics. It is a laptop with integrated graphics using Intel Second Generation Core Processor graphics.
To get a list of drivers loaded would I run modprobe -l ?
Thanks again.
Posted: Sat 05 May 2012, 18:53
by Karl Godt
No vetty , it was
lsmod command , one of the very few commands without ARGV[S]
If the list is very long , then maybe filter it by
|grep "PATTERN"
btw my acer has died and i preferably wont use an acer again the next time .
My preferences are asus,gigabyte,elitegroup,dell,aoc,eizo ... ... ?
My preferences are full installations, also ... ...
Posted: Sat 05 May 2012, 19:38
by vtpup
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Module Size Used by
parport_pc 19580 0
lp 5996 0
parport 21043 2 parport_pc,lp
i915 290754 2
drm_kms_helper 17982 1 i915
drm 121018 3 i915,drm_kms_helper
i2c_algo_bit 3556 1 i915
cpufreq_ondemand 4432 2
acpi_cpufreq 4481 1
mperf 787 1 acpi_cpufreq
fan 1714 0
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 16805 1
snd_hda_codec_realtek 203051 1
uvcvideo 47297 0
videodev 52792 1 uvcvideo
arc4 962 2
ath9k 62987 0
mac80211 134600 1 ath9k
ath9k_common 1242 1 ath9k
ath9k_hw 238866 2 ath9k,ath9k_common
ath 10746 2 ath9k,ath9k_hw
cfg80211 113680 3 ath9k,mac80211,ath
pcspkr 1195 0
snd_hda_intel 16395 0
snd_hda_codec 52722 3 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep 3730 1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm_oss 28135 0
snd_mixer_oss 10062 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm 47219 4 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_dummy 915 0
snd_seq_oss 18929 0
snd_seq_midi 3280 0
atl1c 23866 0
i2c_i801 6154 0
i2c_core 12704 6 i915,drm_kms_helper,drm,i2c_algo_bit,videodev,i2c_i801
snd_rawmidi 11899 1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event 3596 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq 32450 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer 11590 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device 3509 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
snd 33474 13 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec, snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
soundcore 3255 1 snd
snd_page_alloc 4765 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
shpchp 18143 0
sparse_keymap 2056 0
rfkill 10068 1 cfg80211
intel_agp 8065 1 i915
intel_gtt 9446 3 i915,intel_agp
agpgart 18222 3 drm,intel_agp,intel_gtt
wmi 5859 0
battery 8251 0
thermal 6066 0
video 9504 1 i915
evdev 5773 1
button 3315 1 i915
processor 20797 1 acpi_cpufreq
thermal_sys 9477 4 fan,thermal,video,processor
hwmon 961 1 thermal_sys
ac 2303 0
fuse 47724 0
aufs 121827 47
fontconfig missing in GTK
Posted: Sun 06 May 2012, 14:40
by Mobeus
fontconfig is absent in the GTK includes. Compiling with
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`pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0`
errors with
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/usr/lib/gcc/i486-t2-linux-gnu/4.3.4/../../../../i486-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lfontconfig
remaster and remove builtin packages
Posted: Mon 07 May 2012, 04:34
by scsijon
Have found two / three problems.
Remaster needs updating (thanks to mick)
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 475#623475
Remove builtin packages has a problem with remaster still, see my thread
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 638#625638 for details. I think this maybe needs barry's attention to sort out. Still has the ok/cancel problem though.
And a newly found one is that the default /root/.packages/woof-installed-packages has the DEV packages listed. Means they don't appear in PPM with the extra boxes ticked, even though not installed, so you can't install them from it.
Posted: Mon 07 May 2012, 13:20
by vtpup
Okay I can confirm that the overloading of the processor I brought up earlier here occurs as a result of moving to a wireless location (local cafe) with a large number of wireless networks in the vicinity. It completely blocks the mouse button effectiveness, programs, including terminal can't be opened, and CTRL-ALT-DEL (or backspace) have no effect, and I have to hard shutdown with the reset button. I can open another version of Puppy frugal, and connect fine with the same computer, in the same location. For instance, I am writing this on Upup Precise in the same location right now. This issue is only happening in Racy 53. It absolutely cripples the computer within seconds of X starting.
When I return home (only a single wireless network) Racy works fine, and I can connect, and there is no excessive processor usage.
Posted: Tue 08 May 2012, 18:03
by vtpup
Refining the problem even further, I deleted the wireless profile for the cafe where the X start lock-up was occurring. That solved the problem when tested at that location. So something about that profile was causing the Puppy Network Wizard wireless manager to suddenly use all of the processor's capacity.
While this has solved my immediate problem, it's still a bug without a clear cause, and could happen again.
The kworker instances are probably just a symptom of what is going on with the wireless connection manager with a certain profile. Wish I knew what that is, but the profile was deleted.
If it happens again, I'd like to remove the profile but save it somewhere -- can someone tell me where the Puppy Network Wizard profiles are kept?
I'll post the profile here if I get similar behavior again.
Window Setup is created for Puppy Linux 5.3 on 8 May,2012
Posted: Wed 09 May 2012, 10:22
by jdz66
I have created Window Setup for Puppy Linux 5.3
You can download from following location.I have tested this setup on window 7. I am completely new to compilation.I have background of Apache/PHP/MYSQL.
http://www.mediafire.com/?rn75rcd37zlvhx3
Re: ANOUNCE: Nvidia drivers in SFS
Posted: Fri 11 May 2012, 09:46
by BarryK
Thanks for the info, I have posted about your work supporting nVidia:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02825
Posted: Fri 11 May 2012, 09:50
by BarryK
nooby wrote:aarf wrote:seamonkey already running but not in lxtask or pprocess so i cant kill it. not in bottom tray. reboot, run seamonkey in terminal, gives same message.
Yes your not the first nor the last to experience this mystery.
I've had it too and also with Firefox and it is very annoying.
Sadly I don't remember if somebody came up with a solution.
We talked about it in threads some time ago.
Maybe the search engine in my signature can find these and
see if anybody know the easiest way to get it going when it lock up.
You knowing linux way better than me maybe can get a hang
on what is needed based on all the reports about it. I am too lazy
and not bright enough to get what is going on. I solved it by using
Opera each time that it happens
Did you try
# killall seamonkey-bin
in a terminal
And maybe also this for recent SeaMonkeys:
# killall plugin-container
Posted: Sat 12 May 2012, 00:04
by BarryK
Karl Godt wrote:devil os !
while make snapmergepuppy is running
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# diff /initrd/pup_ro2/sbin/pup_event_frontend_d /sbin/pup_event_frontend_d
783c783
< [ "`echo "$RUNPS" | grep -E 'xorriso|xorrecord|xine|petget|wget|axel|dotpup|mplayer|gcurl|gimv|burniso2cd|growisofs|cdrecord|pcdripper|xfmedia|xmms|ripoff|pdvdrsab|pburn|mhwaveedit|installpkg\.sh|downloadpkgs\.sh|removepreview\.sh'`" != "" ] && continue
---
> [ "`echo "$RUNPS" | grep -E 'make|gcc|cc|cmake|imake|xorriso|xorrecord|xine|petget|wget|axel|dotpup|mplayer|gcurl|gimv|burniso2cd|growisofs|cdrecord|pcdripper|xfmedia|xmms|ripoff|pdvdrsab|pburn|mhwaveedit|installpkg\.sh|downloadpkgs\.sh|removepreview\.sh'`" != "" ] && continue
OK, I have added "make|cc|new2dir|".
That also catches "cmake", "gcc", etc.
The potential problem is that it will also catch any other application with those strings in the name.
Posted: Sat 12 May 2012, 00:14
by BarryK
Karl Godt wrote:The corner tags appeared again, now seems to trace them back to
/root/.jwm/themes/DeepBlueBold-jwmrc :
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# diff /initrd/pup_ro2/root/.jwm/themes/DeepBlueBold-jwmrc /root/.jwm/themes/DeepBlueBold-jwmrc
10d9
< <Corner>#4A5966</Corner>
16d14
< <Corner>#DCDAD5</Corner>
The new theme seems to be the only one in /root/.jwm/themes/ directory that still have them . Could not find them in the older theme-jwmrc files or they are commented out .
Thanks, I have updated the PET, it will now be 'jwm_theme_deepbluebold-1-1.pet', when it is uploaded.
Re: /usr/sbin/shutdownconfig
Posted: Sat 12 May 2012, 01:01
by BarryK
rodin.s wrote:In script /usr/sbin/shutdownconfig some gettext should be added to line 629:
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pupdialog --background '#FFFF80' --colors --title "$T_canceltitle" --backtitle "$T_title" --timeout 240 --countdown "$T_countdown" --extra-button --ok-label "$(gettext 'SAVE TO FILE')" --extra-label "$(gettext 'SAVE TO CD')" --cancel-label "$T_notsave" --yesno "$yesno" 0 0 >/dev/console
Thanks. I also found two lines above that needed the --no-label added.
Fix will be in next Woof commit.
Re: unrar?
Posted: Sat 12 May 2012, 03:04
by BarryK
kommisar wrote:I can't seem to unrar some archive using the "zip" icon on the desktop. The application apparently doesn't work with rar files. Is there any easy way to add this functionality to Racy 5.3?
Thanks for reminding me about this. Fixed, see my blog post:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02828
if you want to apply the fix to your current Puppy, grab the new /usr/local/bin/pupzip out of the online Woof repository, and install the 'unrar' PET.